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Old 10-03-2019, 09:18 PM   #2326
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This is shaping to be one of the most epic threads on 2+2 ever. It seems every time I refresh there's 50 new posts.
With slack and Reddit and Discords and different training sites having their own forums, a lot of us went our own separate ways.

But when something like this happens, this is the logical hub. It's like lighting the fires of Gondor. Nothing unites the poker community like a hatred of cheaters, especially a story this insane.

It's kind of nostalgic.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:20 PM   #2327
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IF you watch the streams he’s shown he doesn’t gamble, even though it seems sometimes , almost never
I made the spreadsheet of his win/loss for all of 2019 that Joey/Doug have been showing on their videos - I've watched many of his hands.

I know it's an unusual play for him. But if you know you're up against 2 AK's and are likely to run it twice, it's not so crazy.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:20 PM   #2328
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I'm done. I'll stop.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:22 PM   #2329
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This is shaping to be one of the most epic threads on 2+2 ever. It seems every time I refresh there's 50 new posts.

It's super obv this guy is cheating, I won't even go into that. What I wanted to say is that I feel bad for all the players, because some of them played really REALLY well against him, with some insane bluffs, but that little rat just ****s them over knowing their cards. Frustrating.
Unfortunately most of those new posts are from new readers who haven't read the thread from the start and are just thinking their ideas are new ones. E.g the bone headphones. 90% of what is being posted now is old news. I had read the whole thread, came back tonight after playing golf today and was confronted by so many pages I just gave in reading them as it was just the same stuff mostly.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:22 PM   #2330
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I made the spreadsheet of his win/loss for all of 2019 that Joey/Doug have been showing on their videos - I've watched many of his hands.

I know it's an unusual play for him. But if you know you're up against 2 AK's and are likely to run it twice, it's not so crazy.
Couple other weird ones too, I think 95o was another, i don’t think he can see them a lot of times but some hands I think it’s almost impossible to play if he doesn’t know, who knows tho, at this point it’s just a ton of speculation
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:23 PM   #2331
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IF you watch the streams he’s shown he doesn’t gamble, even though it seems sometimes , almost never
He gambles here at 2:49:00 (no keys on table)

Calls $600 on a turned flush draw

Then he has a good chuckle at the guy laying a trap thinking that a nit like him would consider even for a second bluffing an Ace

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:23 PM   #2332
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:23 PM   #2333
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I believe he just know's current cards and/or crude signals that indicate ahead/behind currently.
In one of the top 5 most shady hands....he calls multiple bets pre 3 handed (one opponent short and all in pre) with 95 off oop... flop is 9 J x and he immediately open jams POT to push out the only remaining player holding AQ (live but not much equity). There are other spots like this as well. If he knew the run outs...he'd be much more inclined to play check tanky/trappy which would both help him to win more $ and appear more soul-ready God-like.

edit: add to the fact that knowing current cards + future run out adds additional complexity to the intercepting, organizing, and communicating the data back to the villain. Let's pretend he has no visuals and only audio (alleged hat stuffing device) or buzzer on body (old school style). That would start to become too many signals to interpret while still playing the game and putting at least some sort of acting job out.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:25 PM   #2334
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In all serious though it is good to see the community come together against a cheater.

If there is undeniable proof found, will this go to a court or be settled at Stones do you guys think? What are the blinds?
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:25 PM   #2335
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Mike postle cheating allegations

When is it appropriate to reach out to Admo and get a Mike Postle is a scammer and a thief . Com going? He got Fubster his money back from BayAreaBeast so maybe he can shape these asshats into some restitution especially to the family of that poor guy who was sick with cancer
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:26 PM   #2336
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Whenever JFK is away, he isn't able/doesn't superuse. Veronica made a twitter post that Mike plays way less and either looses or wins small when JFK is away. Joey's 3rd stream covers this.
I get that. My point is if he was using his keys to see future streets he would be able to do that even with JFK away. That leads me to believe he either doesn't use that technology or he started using it after JFK came back from Vegas.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:27 PM   #2337
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Yeah man, this thread is about Mike Postle, not educating you on 2019 technology. There's absolutely no reason for you to make 50+ posts in this thread.
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You aren't making any goddamn valid points. Instead of posting in here useless drivel over and over and repostulating different theories that have already been discussed and discounted why dont you READ THRU THE WHOLE GODDAMN THREAD. CLick the search button up top and search for "cliff" JFC. Ruining the thread you are.
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Suzzer is making this thread unreadable.

please make it stop

I have a great deal of empathy for these views. This thread is not about Suzzer and his understanding (or lack thereof) of technology that could be used to cheat at poker. Indeed, as SimpleRick points out, a great deal discussion/debunking has already taken place in this thread.

Anybody who is really interested in that aspect of this blossoming scandal should take some time and read/skim the thread. It is not fair to the other members to constantly bring up "old" ideas that have been fully discussed in the prior 4 days this thread has been at the top of the NVG forum page.

As is true in virtually all threads and all interactions with a large number of people, it is important to have a "reasonable" ratio of talking to listening (posting to reading others' past/current posts).

I hope this message suffices, but I will also mention (though mods are not supposed to encourage this) that 2+2 does have an "Ignore" feature if you want to have the software automatically hide posts from anyone you find particularly annoying.

Let's try to all get along!

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:27 PM   #2338
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What's the story with that one he lost? Why is he jamming J8s on A87, if the opponents have AJ and a set of sevens, so he has no fold equity? Presumably he had a flush draw that could stack the pair of them.... but didn't get there.
Does someone have a link to that hand? I'd love to see his actions and reactions if it's on video.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:28 PM   #2339
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In one hand he also slow plays AA on the flop in a 4 bet pot only to have his opponent hit runner runner flush. Mike makes the hero laydown on the river of course but wouldn't slow play if he knew the runout. I don't know if keys were on the table or not.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:28 PM   #2340
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I get that. My point is if he was using his keys to see future streets he would be able to do that even with JFK away. That leads me to believe he either doesn't use that technology or he started using it after JFK came back from Vegas.
Maybe jfk got it in Vegas?
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:29 PM   #2341
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According to CheckraiseCharles Justin was responsible for bringing players to the game "to get owned"...lamb to slaugher as he said.
I am the guy that hero called Postle with JJ when he had 72. Immediately following the stream Postle came up to me and told me that wouldn't happen again and followed up with an open invitation to play whenever I would like.(In a non-threatening manner, but still implying he wanted a rematch)

During the WSOP I ran into Justin on break and was asked when I would be going back to stones to play, and that Mike really enjoyed my game. I asked when a good time would be and was told the games would be great after the series ended.

Before this scandal came out I invited Postle to come to LA to play in a LATB lineup that I was hosting on November 7th to see if/how he would play away from Stones Live. Him and I have chatted several times over the last couple days but I feel with how incriminating everything seems, and the prospect of him playing LATB slim to none, I will share the messages. It is unfortunate that this has happened to Stones because it really is a wonderful room and is one of the best atmospheres to play poker in. It is also unfortunate that those I am acquaintances with are under the microscope for simply commentating the games postle played in. I understand the reasoning behind why people are suspicious but Chris, Veronica and Kasey are all wonderful people.

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:29 PM   #2342
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I believe he just know's current cards and/or crude signals that indicate ahead/behind currently.
In one of the top 5 most shady hands....he calls multiple bets pre 3 handed (one opponent short and all in pre) with 95 off oop... flop is 9 J x and he immediately open jams POT to push out the only remaining player holding AQ (live but not much equity). There are other spots like this as well. If he knew the run outs...he'd be much more inclined to play check tanky/trappy which would both help him to win more $ and appear more soul-ready God-like.
https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...395914752?s=20

doesnt look like any keys on the table. lighting is poor and there is something on the rail but i dont think its keys.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:29 PM   #2343
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I believe he just know's current cards and/or crude signals that indicate ahead/behind currently.
In one of the top 5 most shady hands....he calls multiple bets pre 3 handed (one opponent short and all in pre) with 95 off oop... flop is 9 J x and he immediately open jams POT to push out the only remaining player holding AQ (live but not much equity). There are other spots like this as well. If he knew the run outs...he'd be much more inclined to play check tanky/trappy which would both help him to win more $ and appear more soul-ready God-like.
In the 95 jam vs AQ hand, I see no key fob or head touching, so I dont think he has the headset there. It's also the hand where the 7 scares him, which it wouldnt if knowing runout. It's ALSO a quite old session (10 months ago), and headset appears later on in the year.

The cheating may have evolved, or it was an adaption for the summer when Justin went away to still have a good edge

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I get that. My point is if he was using his keys to see future streets he would be able to do that even with JFK away. That leads me to believe he either doesn't use that technology or he started using it after JFK came back from Vegas.
Yes, it seems like a newer addition to the arsenal!

edit2: I mean it adds up PERFECTLY - the bone conductive headphones and the keyfob which registers the cards and sends an audio transmission of what they are
I wasn't a believer in the keyfob being relevant either. And I didn't think he knew runouts. But it checks out now if you ask me... wow

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:32 PM   #2344
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Mike has proven if you play perfect Poker and can see hole cards that it can indeed be profitable every day.
FTOP wins again
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:34 PM   #2345
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Do you really think he would get some key camera to work from this angle? He plays like +90% of time at that seat.


No, because that isn't what he is doing.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:36 PM   #2346
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"Do you really think he would get some key camera to work from this angle?"

I wouldn't be so quick to discredit it. hes a spineless greedy pussy who isnt the smartest guy in the world.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:38 PM   #2347
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He wins $11k in this game and Justin is commenting
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:38 PM   #2348
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OK first time chiming in here.

I've gone thru 2018 in chronological order in the Stones YT page. Appears to me from skimming every episode he appeared on in 2018, that he first starts super using on the August 22nd 2018 ($5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Brent and Scott) episode.

All of the previous 12 episodes (appears his first 2018 appearance is Feb 21) that he is in before the Aug 22 2018 episode, I didn't see any super-using evidence, the phone (and keys) are often out on full display during hands/action, hands seem played reasonably, he's actually decent. Does run well often, but nothing overtly suspicious.

Then on the August 22nd 2018 episode, I see definite weirdness, a very weird play where he goes nuts with T2s, very obviously looks down in his lap before making a questionable/suspicious play, phone is nowhere to be seen, etc.

Here are the twelve links to the 12 appearance in 2018 that looked fine to me, then the link to where I think is the first stream that he super uses (August 22nd 2018 ($5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Brent and Scott):

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** 12 appearances in 2018 that seem fine / normal / non-superusing (TBF I skimmed thru hands pretty quickly looking for absence of phone on table, obvious crotch glances, or suspicious hand situations/plays, so it's possible I missed something before August 22nd episode)**

Feb 21, 2018 Veronica & Friends! $1/$3 NLHE with Special Guest Jonathan Little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdP260MCuQ
Apr 19, 2018 $5/$5 No Limit Holdem with Special Guest Andrew Neeme and Brent Harrington: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7HTpCRJplE
May 23, 2018 $5/$5 No Limit Holdem with Justin Kelly and Chris Glasgow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVv8BATZmqI
Jun 22, 2018 $5/$5/$10 No Limit Hold'ed with Special Guest Chris Moneymaker, Hosted by Kasey and Justin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTNjRxcvIc
Jul 18, 2018 Veronica & Friends! $1/$3 No Limit Hold'em with Justin Kelly and Kasey Mills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAw9HiSpG9w
Jul 27, 2018 Veronica & Friends Replay w/ Live commentary, with Tom and Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvE09nhHLJk
Jul 30, 2018 $1 on the Button / $2 / $3 No Limit Hold'em with Scott and Kasey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWPHGvuqDg
Aug 1, 2018 $5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Brent and Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eYbMfvswe4
Aug 3, 2018 $5/$5/$10 No Limit Hold'em with Train and Kasey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu4n0Sis8Fg
Aug 6, 2018 $1/$3 No Limit Hold'em with Train and Brent: https://youtu.be/ZKa83uP7m_Q?t=2352 (actually gets pwned pretty hard by Joel in this one)
Aug 10, 2018 Harlan and Victims - $5/$5/$10 No Limit Hod'em with JFK and the Mountain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlmz8T86DQ
Aug 15, 2018 Veronica & Friends - $1/$3 No Limit Hold’em: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4KS_TixXx0
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and..... here's the Aug 22 2018 episode where things start to get weird, phone out of sight etc, and first time I see the quick crotch-gazes disguised as looking at cards, immediately preceding a pretty suicidal (cold 3-bet jam on flop) play with bottom pair against two opponents that you can only make if you are certain they both have broadway hands that whiffed on the 8 high flop..., especially considering the 2-bettor was fairly committed with the 2 bet sizing and his fairly shallow stack depth (meaning you can only jam on him if you are certain it's a bluff/opponent has nothing, but it's still crazy because of the stack to pot ratio, and the fact that Mike has yet to commit any post-flop bets before his suicide play). Anyway so here you go:

Aug 22, 2018 $5/$5 No Limit Hold'em with Brent and Scott: https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo?t=2287
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:40 PM   #2349
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Has this video been shared here yet? I am just getting caught up on the thread but saw Ben Pollak share this on twitter earlier and could have something to do why his keys are often on the table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRgCvCTG_XQ
Jesus.....that is really bad. Postle's keys look like this?
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:41 PM   #2350
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Fantastic work Momentaryblip
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