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Old 10-03-2019, 08:50 PM   #2276
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someone posted this hand earlier. i thought it was sick and it was a situation where obv he has flopped massive and has to get it even tho he is behind.

BUT LOOK AT WHERE HIS KEYS ARE

https://clips.twitch.tv/embed?clip=E...ntSandwichBIRB
So what's the claim here - that his keys somehow read all 6 turn and river cards (run it twice + burn cards) while still on the deck - from the other side of the table?

He did shove first - I wonder if he thought he'd get a fold.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:52 PM   #2277
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Need more evidence to say he can read community cards. It's certainly within the realm of possibility and he has been running really well in the all ins I've seen but would need a much bigger sampling of hands.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:53 PM   #2278
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I feel like there were sometimes he must of known board run outs 45 vs ka x2 comes to mind , would he really put 3k in pre if didn’t know he hit the flop?
How could you read cards still on the deck? Wouldn't the RFID reader get confused by all the cards together? Also it would need to somehow ignore the burn card on top.

I'm not trolling here just honestly asking for a plausible suggestion.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:53 PM   #2279
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Ya but one of the times he made a hero fold correctly preflop wouldn't he have actually won the hand the way the board ran out.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:53 PM   #2280
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This is a really cool post. I did get a bit thrown off by how Postle had won so many all-ins, but having played a ton of poker I've seen some ****ed up runs and so I chalked it up to variance.

I also didn't get why the bone-conductor headphones when he has the holecards in his lap. Figured it was added to circumvent phone ban (though he apparently still did have his phone during that ban, just discrete).

But it all ****ing adds up. He has holecards in phone in lap. The KEY FOB (which I thought was just nothing to note of, since we knew he was cheating with his phone in lap) is ACTUALLY reading turn/rivers, into his bone conductor headset.

Holy ****. It's the double whammy. He had the STREAM and THAT CRAZY CHINESE VOICE-SOFTWARE WHICH READS TURNS AND RIVERS

I'm somewhat mind blown right now. It just explains everything

edit: omg this would even explain why he sometimes protection-jams flop vs oesd with tptk, for example. He knows they will hit if he continues the hand? And if they have a draw which won't hit, he slowplays!? I COULDNT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS AND JUST CHALKED IT UP TO VARIANCE:


i actually think this might be it
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:55 PM   #2281
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Ya but one of the times he made a hero fold correctly preflop wouldn't he have actually won the hand the way the board ran out.
I recall a hand where he folded KK on the flop or turn and then a King hit the river.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:55 PM   #2282
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Is it possible he sometimes knows the run out of the cards but not always? Like only later on and not the earlier streams? He folded KK correctly on the turn one hand but the river was a king which made me think he didn't know which cards were coming out but just knew the hole cards.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:55 PM   #2283
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Ya but one of the times he made a hero fold correctly preflop wouldn't he have actually won the hand the way the board ran out.
There is some times when he folds and would've binked on future streets, yes, but maybe he just couldn't be bothered listening to the coming cards every time every hand but just when he's making a choice to gii on not?

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Is it possible he sometimes knows the run out of the cards but not always? Like only later on and not the earlier streams? He folded KK correctly on the turn one hand but the river was a king which made me think he didn't know which cards were coming out but just knew the hole cards.
Yes, these things is what made me discard the idea of him knowing runouts as well. But his AIEV is really hard to discard, even though it could be variance (which is how I justified it in my head when I saw that chart)

edit2: I'm really not sure what to think, but keyfob+headphones just match up so well with that read-future-cards tech (since it read out the cards)... I don't know.

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Old 10-03-2019, 08:56 PM   #2284
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This is a really cool post. I did get a bit thrown off by how Postle had won so many all-ins, but having played a ton of poker I've seen some ****ed up runs and so I chalked it up to variance.

I also didn't get why the bone-conductor headphones when he has the holecards in his lap. Figured it was added to circumvent phone ban (though he apparently still did have his phone during that ban, just discrete).

But it all ****ing adds up. He has holecards in phone in lap. The KEY FOB (which I thought was just nothing to note of, since we knew he was cheating with his phone in lap) is ACTUALLY reading turn/rivers, into his bone conductor headset.

Holy ****. It's the double whammy. He had the STREAM and THAT CRAZY CHINESE VOICE-SOFTWARE WHICH READS TURNS AND RIVERS

I'm somewhat mind blown right now. It just explains everything

edit: omg this would even explain why he sometimes protection-jams flop vs oesd with tptk, for example. He knows they will hit if he continues the hand? And if they have a draw which won't hit, he slowplays!? I COULDNT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS AND JUST CHALKED IT UP TO VARIANCE:

Exactly! im glad were on the same page here. this ties up a lot of loose ends. if this is true, its crazy that he couldn't just be happy with the holecards. he had to go for the community cards as well? I almost still don't believe it, but it just fits so well. This will definitely have to be examined more closely while watching hands with this info in mind.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:56 PM   #2285
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I was thinking what if it's something as simple as they're rigging the deck. But then you would just cooler people all the time.

Funny how much safeguards they put against rigging the cards - but IT stuff is just like YOLO it's probably good enough.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:57 PM   #2286
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So what's the claim here - that his keys somehow read all 6 turn and river cards (run it twice + burn cards) while still on the deck - from the other side of the table?

He did shove first - I wonder if he thought he'd get a fold.
I don't know about the system but the keys look to be in such a place that they are opposite from the dealers hand.

But there has to be a reason why he has his keys on the table.

It would also explain why he loves seat 2 as well. The camera angle AND to have his keys in such a way that they are able to face the dealers hand easily too.

Maybe he started out with just the stream info, and wanted to crush more so brought in this device too.

I wonder if theres a point where he plays certain hands different depending on the outcome of the hand.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:57 PM   #2287
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How could you read cards still on the deck? Wouldn't the RFID reader get confused by all the cards together?

I'm not trolling here just honestly asking for a plausible suggestion.
Dammmmmmm .....

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Old 10-03-2019, 08:57 PM   #2288
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someone posted this hand earlier. i thought it was sick and it was a situation where obv he has flopped massive and has to get it even tho he is behind.

BUT LOOK AT WHERE HIS KEYS ARE

https://clips.twitch.tv/embed?clip=E...ntSandwichBIRB
Un****ing real. His cap looks suspect in this one too, like it's stuffed with something.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:57 PM   #2289
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This is pretty huge, it leads me to believe that it is actually possible that he has access to the turn and river before it is dealt out, which I assumed, like most others, he didn't have and only had holecard data. I was also skeptical about the bone conduction headphones but the fact that there was something in his hat only in GODMODE and that he would continuously touch his hat in a tough spot led me to believe there had to be something there, but I couldn't explain why when he already had holecard data on his phone. If he has the phone relaying holecard data, wouldn't that be enough? Also there was the question of why his keys were always on the table.

Well, this video and cheating method explains it perfectly. He is using his phone to somehow see the holecard data, and he is using his keys on the table coupled with the headphones to read the community cards. So it is a much more complex system than originally thought. I actually thought it odd that he never got sucked out on when he got it in good but his opponent had pretty good equity. They even ran it twice most of the time and he always seemed to scoop. I just chocked that up to variance and actually "run good". I'll have to rewatch some hands with this new possibility in mind.

The cheating method for those who dont want to watch the video goes like this. The method is basically that his phone can be used to read unique markings on the the sides of the card, and read off the cards one by one through the phone. It even comes with a keylike scanner and remote control.

If this is true, that would mean that he would need special cards that can be read by the scanner in his keys. This would require a floormans help as the floorman is usually the one to bring over the setup when a new game starts. So whoever is bringing over the setup, 100% likely its JFK, he is culpable. This also explains why he cannot GODMODE when JFK is out of town.

Now, since there are a lot of new people entering the thread, I'll explain what I think is happening with how he gets holecard data. Someone mentioned a guest commentator once saw live feed on the TV sets at Stones. The actual current hands being played.

Too complex for these guys, end of story. There are only couple of streams where he has phone/keys on table. Do you really need to know what hands are coming on board, if u know opponents hands? No. And multiple times you can see that Mike goes all-in on flop with garbage hands knowing that others can't call with ace high etc.

I'm pretty sure that this is fairly simple style of cheating they are using. Someone is giving him non-delayed stream info to phone/headphones.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:57 PM   #2290
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Ya but one of the times he made a hero fold correctly preflop wouldn't he have actually won the hand the way the board ran out.
I don’t think it’s every time seems he’s had a few diff setups, just hat or just key fob or just phone or some combos, so maybe diff setups give him different visions ? Just a guess but that one specific hands seems he knew
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:58 PM   #2291
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Can we have javoc and suzzer contained so they stop simultaneously tarding up the thread?

Every time I see one of their SN I cringe
I signed up for this forum just to agree with this. Turn Suzzer off, he's horrible and his theories are lol. This thread was high content for 3 days. Let's try to keep it that way.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:59 PM   #2292
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Is it possible he sometimes knows the run out of the cards but not always? Like only later on and not the earlier streams? He folded KK correctly on the turn one hand but the river was a king which made me think he didn't know which cards were coming out but just knew the hole cards.
i think that was a stream where he wasn't superusing and JFK was away for the WSOP. i do remember watching that hand on Joeys stream though. i could be wrong, seen so many hands up to this point. do you have access to this hand?
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:59 PM   #2293
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He was talking about the Angle shoot against Feldman on LATB
Oh for ****s sake! That's some goddamned irresponsible talk.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:00 PM   #2294
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^^ He wasn't talking about the joke bet hand but instead that Ryan Feldman was feeding hole card information to his roommate who was playing in the game.

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No clue if he was a regular player on stream but he did play in the very last session that was broadcast (Trooper's game) and even discussed the accusations a bit here: https://youtu.be/eHtXPOaHIDc?t=6769
That's not Mike Postle, I think it's his brother. Ridiculous to hear these idiots defending him, including Jaman Burton who is saying some people shouldn't have a platform and it's a bunch of keyboard warriors. Gtfo dude, no longer a fan of Jaman.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:00 PM   #2295
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I don't know about the system but the keys look to be in such a place that they are opposite from the dealers hand.

But there has to be a reason why he has his keys on the table.

It would also explain why he loves seat 2 as well. The camera angle AND to have his keys in such a way that they are able to face the dealers hand easily too.

Maybe he started out with just the stream info, and wanted to crush more so brought in this device too.

I wonder if theres a point where he plays certain hands different depending on the outcome of the hand.
I'd just like to see some evidence that any kind of long range RFID reader can pick out individual cards from a stacked deck before I put much stock in that theory. Maybe it could read the burn card but what good is that except to know one dead card?

Also as others have pointed out - he's not as much in God mode with runouts as he is with knowing hole cards.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:01 PM   #2296
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Yeah I'm buying pretty much everything except the seeing of future streets. This is the craziest story though and I find it incredibly fascinating. Hope there's some more twists and turns in this saga. RIP to everyone's money this guy (allegedly Lol) stole.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:02 PM   #2297
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Maybe he started out with just the stream info, and wanted to crush more so brought in this device too.

I wonder if theres a point where he plays certain hands different depending on the outcome of the hand.
im thinking after he made a decent amount of money and spent it, he used some of it to buy this device with the thought process that this could help expand his cheating to other locations that don't have to be streamed.


just a theory
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:03 PM   #2298
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marked decks now? Damn this kuraitis guy is more degen than Phil ivey! Placing my fate and future job prospects in the hands of a reckless nut like "fat hat" Postle would make it hard for me to sleep at night
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:04 PM   #2299
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I signed up for this forum just to agree with this. Turn Suzzer off, he's horrible and his theories are lol. This thread was high content for 3 days. Let's keep it that way.
Lol which recently banned poster are you? Hmmmm

I'm making fairly valid points. I quit the morse code tangent when told to.

I don't know much about RFID or Stones setup. But i know a lot about IT security and computers - which seem to be able to perform impossible magic based on some of the posts here.

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I'd just like to see some evidence that any kind of long range RFID reader can pick out individual cards from a stacked deck before I put much stock in that theory. Maybe it could read the burn card but what good is that except to know one dead card?

Also as others have pointed out - he's not as much in God mode with runouts as he is with knowing hole cards.
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