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Old 10-03-2019, 07:36 PM   #2201
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm so confused by this monster thread:

1) Is the commentary delayed or not?
2) How does RFID work at the table? I assume there's a wireless/laser reader gizmo or whatever at the table, right? Is that info then transmitted wirelessly or through a cable to the broadcast booth?
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:36 PM   #2202
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Can anyone post that 96 hand where postle barrels it off on like K63AA against what I believe is 98hh.

Postle open jams the river iirc
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:37 PM   #2203
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HARLAN AND VICTIMS, unreal


seat 1 and has hat too


Is he literally pointing to his bone speaker with a thumbs up in his player pic? These guys really enjoyed the inside jokes as much as Robbing people
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:37 PM   #2204
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Someone earlier said that Harlan didn't have losing sessions as well.


If you watch this session though you’ll see Harlan play is straight up. He lost a lot of pots. He won a big pot KK vs JJ for his win there. I watched his hands and saw nothing like Postle.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:38 PM   #2205
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Can anyone post that 96 hand where postle barrels it off on like K63AA against what I believe is 98hh.

Postle open jams the river iirc
It's a lot more ****ed up than that mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=4502
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:40 PM   #2206
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The plot thickens.

This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.

🚩🚩Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.

🚩🚩He wins over $10,000 this session alone.

This guy is a big winner at StonesLive in 2019. Seen him win as much as Postle.
In fact, he won the biggest pot ever at StonesLive. I think it was $15,000 (but I’m not positive on the amount)


This guy has a game named after him just like Postle and Pals. His is Harlan and Friends and sometimes called Harlan and Victims.

I’m not making any allegations. Where there’s smoke there could be fire. Especially when hole cards are being changed.
So Harlan has seemed like a fairly weak player when we see him playing against Postle. In this hand he calls $45 preflop from the BB. It looks like Bryan straddled to $50 because he is UTG and closes the action with a check.

Harlan leads out for $175 with either 93 or 98 on a 9c8cKx flop seen four ways. Mark, who is sticky, is the only caller, with his AJo. Turn is 5c and goes check-check. Harlan bets $175 again on the 8 river, with the best hand. On the turn the graphics change his hand from 93 to 98.

Would it be weird for Harlan to call pre with 93? Eh. Would it be weird for him to blocker bet that river with 93? Meh. Would someone change the graphics on this hand because it might seem a little suspicious, despite Mike doing way more suspicious stuff all the damn time? Seems unlikely.

Harlan did have sunglasses on during this session (which creates a bulge under his hat). I haven't seen any other hands played.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:40 PM   #2207
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I'm so confused by this monster thread:

1) Is the commentary delayed or not?
2) How does RFID work at the table? I assume there's a wireless/laser reader gizmo or whatever at the table, right? Is that info then transmitted wirelessly or through a cable to the broadcast booth?
Yes it is delayed.

RFID can only be read by short range by readers under the table.

No one knows how the data is transmitted back to the booth. It would make sense that the RFIDs talk to an intermediary aggregator in the table, which then transmits back to the booth. Ideally both of those would be a dedicated cable and not wireless.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:40 PM   #2208
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I have seen the start of many Stones streams from the floor. The booth is empty for the first half hour. Commentary confirmed delayed.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:41 PM   #2209
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The plot thickens.
This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS
https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs
Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.
����Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.
����He wins over $10,000 this session alone.
This guy is a big winner at StonesLive in 2019. Seen him win as much as Postle.
In fact, he won the biggest pot ever at StonesLive. I think it was $15,000 (but I’m not positive on the amount)
This guy has a game named after him just like Postle and Pals. His is Harlan and Friends and sometimes called Harlan and Victims.
I’m not making any allegations. Where there’s smoke there could be fire. Especially when hole cards are being changed.
FWIW, I quickly just looked at several hands in this session and saw nothing suspicious, least of all by Harlen, who seems to be the nittiest player at the table. He lost a few pots, but won a huge one (over $10k) with KK>JJ on 9xx. In fact, he played the KK vs JJ in a way that probably minimizes EV. (He donk-jammed a turned King!)
The RFID does actually malfunction from time to time, and I'm fairly sure Harlen is a legit player. (Didn't Postle actually superuse him in other sessions?)

EDIT: Also saw him bet-fold the river with the best hand like a proper nit. (at about 3hrs:40m)

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Old 10-03-2019, 07:42 PM   #2210
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WTG Joey and Doug, getting the news media involved so quickly, and for all your long hours of work going over the videos, analyzing things, and putting the information out in a way that even poker noobs like myself could understand it. I HATE cheating in all shapes and forms, and to see this progress has had me on pins and needles for a couple days.

Down with Mike Pustule and all his confederates (if any). Mike, I'm certain you've been reading this thread from whatever hole you've crawled into. Hope it was worth it. You just can't beat the internet.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:43 PM   #2211
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BamaWillBG made a thread about that and a few of us pointed out that it has no substance that Harlan would be cheating and he asked for the thread to be deleted and it was. Bama meant no harm but Harlan is def not cheating there, so let's drop that one
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:43 PM   #2212
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Case against Mike is solid. Justin could be a part of it or not, only "proof" is Mike didn't win when Justin wasn't there.

So no one else missed on same days as Justin?

A lot of floor, dealers, players etc.. take off and go to the WSOP in June.
Justin also went into the livestream chat (as JFK) when the graphics got corrected to also say that the RFID misread the hand and that Postle had the nuts.

Justin was in charge of the livestream, no? So if there's another insider, they were a mastermind who executed it right under Justin's nose. And Justin, despite his total innocence, heard accusations from several players and commentators, and found no evidence, despite the many people who have watched Postle play and immediately think he's cheating.

You have to jump through almost as many mental hoops to clear Justin as you do for Postle. Justin is Postle's partner in crime.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:43 PM   #2213
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I feel this is very likely a 3 man operation, and wouldn't necessarily assume that it's not Justin who's the ringleader of this charade. He should have been fired yesterday.
How can some of the commentators praising and making dumb memes about postles "abilities" not also know what was happening tho?
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:44 PM   #2214
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I have seen the start of many Stones streams from the floor. The booth is empty for the first half hour. Commentary confirmed delayed.
https://twitter.com/bkthomson24/stat...56849023012864
not always delayed
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:44 PM   #2215
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Of course, this is said on every scam thread, but I reckon this one has potential for people to go and take justice into their own hands with Mike and Justin.
I've always been a big supporter of street justice. The fear of a good ass kicking keeps a lot of people in line who otherwise might not be so inclined.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:44 PM   #2216
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Btw if you want to see a hilarious Stones hand. Harlan is in this one as well. Guarantee he wasn't cheating on this one.



This is all you need to see. The money all went in on the river too and T9 was one of the first ones in.

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don't bet $4K to (maybe) win $180. got it

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Old 10-03-2019, 07:45 PM   #2217
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I have seen the start of many Stones streams from the floor. The booth is empty for the first half hour. Commentary confirmed delayed.
Need to sticky this or something.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:45 PM   #2218
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So Harlan has seemed like a fairly weak player when we see him playing against Postle. In this hand he calls $45 preflop from the BB. It looks like Bryan straddled to $50 because he is UTG and closes the action with a check.

Harlan leads out for $175 with either 93 or 98 on a 9c8cKx flop seen four ways. Mark, who is sticky, is the only caller, with his AJo. Turn is 5c and goes check-check. Harlan bets $175 again on the 8 river, with the best hand. On the turn the graphics change his hand from 93 to 98.

Would it be weird for Harlan to call pre with 93? Eh. Would it be weird for him to blocker bet that river with 93? Meh. Would someone change the graphics on this hand because it might seem a little suspicious, despite Mike doing way more suspicious stuff all the damn time? Seems unlikely.

Harlan did have sunglasses on during this session (which creates a bulge under his hat). I haven't seen any other hands played.

Wearing a fitted hat so large you tuck your ears under it seems pretty weird

Maybe it's a California thing
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:47 PM   #2219
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If I were postle I'd be fearing my life right now... He better make some quick decisions about how he's gonna apologise... #chopperreid
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:47 PM   #2220
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Justin also went into the livestream chat (as JFK) when the graphics got corrected to also say that the RFID misread the hand and that Postle had the nuts.

Justin was in charge of the livestream, no? So if there's another insider, they were a mastermind who executed it right under Justin's nose. And Justin, despite his total innocence, heard accusations from several players and commentators, and found no evidence, despite the many people who have watched Postle play and immediately think he's cheating.

You have to jump through almost as many mental hoops to clear Justin as you do for Postle. Justin is Postle's partner in crime.
even if justin isn't a part of it which he probably is I don't see an argument for why he should ever be allowed to be part of poker operations ever again.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:48 PM   #2221
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If Mike is in it with Justin, he will offer Justin not to rat on him(if it would work) if he gives him 40K up front then he'll rat on him.

If he cheated some serious criminal types they will bleed him dry(financially) before anyone else gets a piece. Sorry honest victims.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:48 PM   #2222
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I've always been a big supporter of street justice. The fear of a good ass kicking keeps a lot of people in line who otherwise might not be so inclined.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:49 PM   #2223
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Has this video been shared here yet? I am just getting caught up on the thread but saw Ben Pollak share this on twitter earlier and could have something to do why his keys are often on the table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRgCvCTG_XQ
Yes, I saw this video after a 2 min google search for "Poker Cheating." I'm sure the technology has improved since 2016, but I can see a lot of correlations between this device and Postle's behavior on the streams: how he looks at his phone all the time, the car keys, why he likes to be in seat 2 always (maybe it's the best angle to read all the cards?).

Any chance Joe Ingram will watch and analyze this for his next episode?
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:50 PM   #2224
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This doesn't say there were commentators. It could have been a screw up where they accidentally showed the silent live feed. Also it's one twitter random.
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Yes it is delayed.
It was NOT delayed this time. - https://twitter.com/bkthomson24/stat...56849023012864
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