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Old 10-03-2019, 06:53 PM   #2151
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The plot thickens.

This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.

🚩🚩Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.

🚩🚩He wins over $10,000 this session alone.

This guy is a big winner at StonesLive in 2019. Seen him win as much as Postle.
In fact, he won the biggest pot ever at StonesLive. I think it was $15,000 (but I’m not positive on the amount)


This guy has a game named after him just like Postle and Pals. His is Harlan and Friends and sometimes called Harlan and Victims.

I’m not making any allegations. Where there’s smoke there could be fire. Especially when hole cards are being changed.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:54 PM   #2152
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I like how the dude who did a 30 mintue video and a co video with Joey got contacted, meanwhile Joey has been in the mix of this thread and posted 15 hours of review of hands.

Did he reach out to Joey? Seems like Doug would have to consult with Joey to get all the info. Let's face it tho it's the news, they will do a 60 second segment with 10 seconds of interview and say they did a full story on it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:54 PM   #2153
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Couple of points:
- my car does text to speech, so I assume this would be a no-brainer for a app developer to figure out a way to "see" the hole cards from the live-feed or from the RFID reader itself and read them into his bone-conduction hat. "Seat 1: AdKd. Seat 2: 7c2h Seat 3: AhAc" etc.
- Based on the way MP fiddles around with his hat during some of the hands, I'm guessing he missed one or more seats holdings, and needs to re-hear the holding so he can play optimally.
Yeah I also didn't know Postle does phone apps. In my mind that made it likely they now need a 3rd conspirator - since in general you need some expertise to build something like that. But if he can build something himself that makes it a ton easier.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:55 PM   #2154
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OK, so this sounds quite bad and it could lead to a whitewashing. However, let's give them the benefit of the doubt for a second.
The owner of the room might have called up his usual lawyer because he has a strong suspicion that one of his employees has been involved in illegal activity, which may lead the room to press charges against the employee.
As a first step, I think it's quite normal for the employer to call his regular lawyer in when something dodgy has happened on the premises.

A fully independent review would have to be done by the proper authorities, of course.
Yeah but it's in Stones best interest to find no wrong doing especially on the part of one their staff members. This would open them up to civil litigation from the players that were cheated as well as possibly having their gaming license suspended or revoked. So calling up a lawyer who has defended them in the past is not an independent investigator.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:55 PM   #2155
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Right - but we're talking about if the announcers are on delay or not. Most seem to think they are? But I've got one troll fanboy who now insists they aren't on delay.





So who's spamming the thread now Javoc?
Some streams you can see them correct errors fast, so someone has to be in that box to make sure everything is right. This happens on different streams.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:56 PM   #2156
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So who's spamming the thread now Javoc?
You have like 6-10 posts in each of the the last 3-6 pages about nonsense... Other members have already said you are trolling or just ******ed. Just stop already.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:57 PM   #2157
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You have like 6-10 posts in the last 3-6 pages about nonsense... Other members have already said you are trolling or just ******ed. Just stop already.
You just flat out lied and said that it was confirmed that the announcers are not on delay - just to troll me.

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Jonathan Little said in his vlog that they always delay the commentary now. However he may not have known Stones exact level of incompetence. Also I thought I heard it somewhere else.
The very next post - so there is zero ambiguity about context:

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Suzzer is spamming this thread, there was no delay. this has been firmly established
Firmly established.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:58 PM   #2158
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True but why is Justin needed for his operation then?
Access to the computers? Maybe they installed/reinstalled software every stream.

I think the process itself has always likely been automated; they still have to perform their jobs somewhat. However it likely requires some form of set up pre stream.

Also you need to keep the people involved to the bare minimum. Firstly for the main reason of keeping it a secret, but secondly otherwise the stolen money gets diluted too much. This ain't the kind of gig where you can just say to some random, got a job for you tonight, wanna make an easy 1k?

You can't get some guy from Craigslist to fill in as how would you explain this guy filling in to the other employees? You can't extend the group too much as once the secret is out then the temp employee can just blackmail you every week wanting a cut.

I reckon its a 3 man operation. Mike, Justin and this Taylor guy who changed the cards on the feed in real time.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:58 PM   #2159
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The plot thickens.

This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.

🚩🚩Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.

🚩🚩He wins over $10,000 this session alone.

This guy is a big winner at StonesLive in 2019. Seen him win as much as Postle.
In fact, he won the biggest pot ever at StonesLive. I think it was $15,000 (but I’m not positive on the amount)


This guy has a game named after him just like Postle and Pals. His is Harlan and Friends and sometimes called Harlan and Victims.

I’m not making any allegations. Where there’s smoke there could be fire. Especially when hole cards are being changed.
Yeah someone was hinting earlier in the thread that there could be other players that were also cheating. Joey, how many eyeballs and how much time you got?
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:59 PM   #2160
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I like how the dude who did a 30 mintue video and a co video with Joey got contacted, meanwhile Joey has been in the mix of this thread and posted 15 hours of review of hands.

Did he reach out to Joey? Seems like Doug would have to consult with Joey to get all the info. Let's face it tho it's the news, they will do a 60 second segment with 10 seconds of interview and say they did a full story on it.
Are we sure this isn't photoshopped? It's 4pm in Cali, not 11:30 pm.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:00 PM   #2161
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Has this video been shared here yet? I am just getting caught up on the thread but saw Ben Pollak share this on twitter earlier and could have something to do why his keys are often on the table.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRgCvCTG_XQ
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:01 PM   #2162
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You just flat out lied and said that it was confirmed that the announcers are not on delay - just to troll me.
Here, https://twitter.com/bkthomson24/stat...56849023012864
I am done with you, bye.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:01 PM   #2163
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The Morse Code portion of this thread is now terminated.

Obviously people will come into this thread without having read all 2,000 posts or without having watched Joey's videos.

So let's use a bit of common sense and courtesy (both new entrants to the thread and thread "regulars") so that needless and silly derails can be avoided going forward.

Thank you!


Someone mentioned Nevada's gaming commission is tougher than California's, but wouldn't the regulators conduct a minor investigation at the very least?
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:02 PM   #2164
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Locals have been cheating old, unsuspecting elders in BIG home games with RFID 10+ years ago.. I'm talking $20k-$100k each person is bringing to the table.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:02 PM   #2165
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Not engage in mob mentality acts of libel

Defer judgement to a higher authority that can conduct an actual investigation

It's pretty easy for everyone to spam this thread about being 100% sure of this or that, except if proven wrong, they never have to acknowledge their error or face any repercussions.

Like, loctus basically just accused postle of rape. Hopefully he's right
I think much of what you're referring to are isolated posts, and I'd suggest reporting anything especially grievous.

But as for deferring judgement, if you mean on the whole issue of whether Postle was cheating, that sounds like a bit of a stretch.

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You have like 6-10 posts in each of the the last 3-6 pages about nonsense... Other members have already said you are trolling or just ******ed. Just stop already.
And a mod has already dealt with that, so you don't need to.

If you have an issue with someone's post, report them (red triangle to the left of every post). Spamming the thread to say someone is spamming the thread is rather counter-productive.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:03 PM   #2166
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Are we sure this isn't photoshopped? It's 4pm in Cali, not 11:30 pm.
I live in Sweden. I took the screenshot. What would make you start questioning stuff like that and make posts about it instead of just going to Polk's twitter and looking for yourself? Jeez. https://twitter.com/DougPolkPoker/with_replies
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:04 PM   #2167
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And a mod has already dealt with that, so you don't need to.

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Sorry, I did not notice as I am on the latest page. I just don't want people derailed from what is really going on.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:04 PM   #2168
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holy chit. missed this in the barrage of posts.

Gaming Commissions just love being embarrassed with media about cheating happening in the Casinos they are regulating.

New regulations covering live streams, and or outright banning them will be discussed at next Commissioner's meeting..

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Old 10-03-2019, 07:04 PM   #2169
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Access to the computers? Maybe they installed/reinstalled software every stream.



I think the process itself has always likely been automated; they still have to perform their jobs somewhat. However it likely requires some form of set up pre stream.



Also you need to keep the people involved to the bare minimum. Firstly for the main reason of keeping it a secret, but secondly otherwise the stolen money gets diluted too much. This ain't the kind of gig where you can just say to some random, got a job for you tonight, wanna make an easy 1k?



You can't get some guy from Craigslist to fill in as how would you explain this guy filling in to the other employees? You can't extend the group too much as once the secret is out then the temp employee can just blackmail you every week wanting a cut.



I reckon its a 3 man operation. Mike, Justin and this Taylor guy who changed the cards on the feed in real time.


It is much more likely the exec producer named earlier in the thread, last name Hudspeth as he has background in graphics of the RFID system used, per his LinkedIn. I posted a screenshot earlier in the thread on this.

He would likely have made the 89 hand graphic change. If he’s not involved in the cheating he would know who was, as that person would have told him to make the graphics change during the hand (likely, not for sure).
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:05 PM   #2170
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Seems likely there was more than one method going on, with perhaps more than one accomplice.
My post that you quoted specified two methods, which have been detailed several times in the thread.
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he can send those live pictures to Mike's phone or he can speak to him remotely
Sometimes Mike's phone is showing whatever Justin sees on his laptop (the "live stream" that will later be broadcast) via any kind of remote-viewing app, sometimes Mike uses the headset and presumably receives vocal information on holecards. Sometimes Mike has both devices, sometimes he has neither (and can't cheat).
Justin can still walk over and talk to Mike, straight after Mike has looked at his phone (or listened to the headpiece) and memorized the holecards. (Justin's laptop has to stay switched on all the time, as he's recording the whole stream, while sending the screen remotely to Mike's phone, when that option was availabe.)
On some occasions, someone else (Taylor?) may have been in charge of the broadcasting PC. It's not yet confirmed whether cheating happened when Taylor was at the controlls.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:07 PM   #2171
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The plot thickens.

This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.

🚩🚩Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.

🚩🚩He wins over $10,000 this session alone.

This guy is a big winner at StonesLive in 2019. Seen him win as much as Postle.
In fact, he won the biggest pot ever at StonesLive. I think it was $15,000 (but I’m not positive on the amount)


This guy has a game named after him just like Postle and Pals. His is Harlan and Friends and sometimes called Harlan and Victims.

I’m not making any allegations. Where there’s smoke there could be fire. Especially when hole cards are being changed.
HARLAN AND VICTIMS, unreal


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Old 10-03-2019, 07:08 PM   #2172
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My post that you quoted specified two methods, which have been detailed several times in the thread.

Sometimes Mike's phone is showing whatever Justin sees on his laptop (the "live stream" that will later be broadcast) via any kind of remote-viewing app, sometimes Mike uses the headset and presumably receives vocal information on holecards. Sometimes Mike has both devices, sometimes he has neither (and can't cheat).
Justin can still walk over and talk to Mike, straight after Mike has looked at his phone (or listened to the headpiece) and memorized the holecards. (Justin's laptop has to stay switched on all the time, as he's recording the whole stream, while sending the screen remotely to Mike's phone, when that option was availabe.)
On some occasions, someone else (Taylor?) may have been in charge of the broadcasting PC. It's not yet confirmed whether cheating happened when Taylor was at the controlls.
Conspiracies become a lot less likely every time you introduce a new person imo. More risk, splitting the money and eventually someone usually blabs. I like the 2-person version the best here.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:09 PM   #2173
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Yeah but it's in Stones best interest to find no wrong doing especially on the part of one their staff members. This would open them up to civil litigation from the players that were cheated as well as possibly having their gaming license suspended or revoked. So calling up a lawyer who has defended them in the past is not an independent investigator.
There is actually a legit reason why they'd bring in their own guy. If they are completely innocent here and feel strongly that they have a rogue employee conspiring to cheat. Not saying they may also be protecting thine ass, but if they feel as if they have been tarnished they'd want their own people to get first crack.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:10 PM   #2174
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True but why is Justin needed for his operation then?
Justin is needed to get access to the data in the first place, and to make sure you don't get caught doing so. Without Justin, you have to figure out a strategy to sniff the data (already discussed how RFID readers would need to be very close and likely obvious), or hack into the booth's computers or networks somehow, all while not getting noticed by Justin, who's being told that players and commentators are suspecting foul play.

If you're Postle and Justin is not on your side, you have to worry about Justin finding out and then banning you and pressing charges. From Postle's perspective, that seems a lot riskier. With Justin being involved, you just need technology to get it from the booth's computers to Mike, which is pretty simple. You also don't have to worry nearly as much about getting caught since the person in charge of catching you is in on it. When there's an internal investigation, Justin runs it and conveniently finds out its all "fabrications." That makes the whole operation way less risky.

With Justin in on it, this whole story is so simple. The technology is simple, the explanations for why commentators and players raising suspicions and being dismissed are simple. If Justin is innocent, at a minimum he's awful at his job, and the level of sophistication required to get to where Postle got to goes up orders of magnitude.

Justin is guilty.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:10 PM   #2175
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The plot thickens.

This is from another huge winner of a StonesLive game called HARLAN & VICTIMS

https://youtu.be/-8phuoIEZQs

Game was from 9/14/19. Go 32:21 into the video.

🚩🚩Watch his hole cards get changed on the turn from 9-3 to 9-8 on the river to suddenly have a full house.


Good spot!

The hand here is slightly different than the 98s/86o hand. On that one the graphics changed after the river, just before the hand was over.

This one changed on the river. Also the size of the pot and how it played isn't too suspect.

I do think it's possible that there is another cheater in the game, probably a more savvy one who realises he can't make it too obvious.
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