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Old 10-03-2019, 06:44 PM   #2126
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It depends, if they are commentating on a live feed, that is big because he is the one responsible for setting up streams..
Jonathan Little said in his vlog that they always delay the commentary now. However he may not have known Stones exact level of incompetence. Also I thought I heard it somewhere else.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:45 PM   #2127
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Suzzer is spamming this thread, there was no delay. this has been firmly established
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:45 PM   #2128
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If you can intercept and decrypt the data, developing an app to show the info in real time is relatively basic ... But being able to decrypt the data is the hard part ... Would need to be provided with the correct key
Or you can just figure it out if it's always the same signature for the same two cards.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:45 PM   #2129
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I like how the dude who did a 30 mintue video and a co video with Joey got contacted, meanwhile Joey has been in the mix of this thread and posted 15 hours of review of hands.

Did he reach out to Joey? Seems like Doug would have to consult with Joey to get all the info. Let's face it tho it's the news, they will do a 60 second segment with 10 seconds of interview and say they did a full story on it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:45 PM   #2130
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Audio + Text could just be from someone else that knows the live hands.
It could be a lot of things, it could be morse code, I didn't say I know for a fact that it was Justin feeding him the info, I said Justin feeding him the info is currently the best possible explanation given the evidence we have.

Justin has the most access to the stream, the most responsibility for preventing cheating and therefore the best person to get away with it, he was unprofessionally dismissive of initial accusations, and his traveling lines up with Mike losing superuser privileges.

The evidence against Justin is less open and shut then the evidence against Mike, and of course there could be additional insiders besides Justin, but it's reasonable to say that based on current info, Justin being the insider providing the stream to Mike is the simplest explanation that aligns with the existing evidence.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:46 PM   #2131
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It depends, if they are commentating on a live feed, that is big because he is the one responsible for setting up streams..
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Jonathan Little said in his vlog that they always delay the commentary now. However he may not have known Stones exact level of incompetence. Also I thought I heard it somewhere else.
The commentators are not commenting live on the table, they have the normal stream delay and is in real time with the viewers, as usual for streams like this
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:47 PM   #2132
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If Justin was commentating then it was 30 minutes after it actually happened. Did you notice when he came into the booth?
I saw one where Justin was commenting and Mike was making plays, Justin was there the whole time, Justin didn't appear to be talking about hole cards any more than a normal commentator would nor did he appear to be tapping on a telegraph machine

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Old 10-03-2019, 06:47 PM   #2133
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There doesn't need to be anyone speaking to him.

A simple programme that grabs the RFID data that then converts this data to speech. Literally all it needs to be in S14c4d etc. Could even do it so that the messages keep repeating according to what players get to the flop/turn/river.
We've (I believe) established that long-range RFID readers don't exist. So know you're talking about hacking the communications from the devices to whatever they talk to. I have serious doubts this is over wireless.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:47 PM   #2134
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It's been mentioned many times but can we all agree that the booth commentary and actual table action are happening at separate times approx 30 mins apart, therefore Mike cannot benefit from hearing the commentary, as any commentary he would hear is from a hand 30 mins previously

When using his phone, I don't think it's texts he's getting as would take too long for his buddy to input before it's Mike's action. I really believe the simplest methodology is he's getting an undelayed ("live") RFID feed with the data already converted to seat# & cards (either in graphical or Ac9h format)
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:47 PM   #2135
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If you have the encryption key ... Writing the app to display the data in real time would not be too hard ...brings the whole use of RFID into question ... But who would watch poker streams without it?
Reaching for possible explanations...RFID on the table has a proximity issue, Bluetooth speaker has the risk of disconnecting and wouldn't audio play through the phone?

Since it's been stated that the hole cards and equities are calculated automatically by a program, odds that they store their hand histories in a database? Must be probable if they also calculate and show stats - or is this manually done? Leaves the question about where the database lives, cloud or local, and if those credentials were figured out. Then it'd be easy to pull the data for the hole cards from the database and plop them in your own app...
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:47 PM   #2136
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Couple of points:
- my car does text to speech, so I assume this would be a no-brainer for a app developer to figure out a way to "see" the hole cards from the live-feed or from the RFID reader itself and read them into his bone-conduction hat. "Seat 1: AdKd. Seat 2: 7c2h Seat 3: AhAc" etc.
- Based on the way MP fiddles around with his hat during some of the hands, I'm guessing he missed one or more seats holdings, and needs to re-hear the holding so he can play optimally.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:48 PM   #2137
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Lol are these guys for real? Did they literally just hire their defense attorney as the lead investigator of their second investigation. The conflict of interest of Stones investigating themselves here AGAIN is ABSURD.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:48 PM   #2138
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Suzzer is spamming this thread, there was no delay. this has been firmly established
Can you tell me where? I'm not freaking spamming. I asked and you're the first person who's said this.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:48 PM   #2139
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So know you're talking about hacking the communications from the devices to whatever they talk to. I have serious doubts this is over wireless.
Ok go doubt somewhere else, and stop spamming this thread
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:49 PM   #2140
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There doesn't need to be anyone speaking to him.

A simple programme that grabs the RFID data that then converts this data to speech. Literally all it needs to be in S14c4d etc. Could even do it so that the messages keep repeating according to what players get to the flop/turn/river.

You can see in the hands with the hat device that he touches his head multiple times per hand, as he is trying to make the messages come thru clearer in a noisy casino environment.

People are imagining Justin walking around the room, ducking into corners whispering into his jacket sleeve as if he is James Bond. You are all complicating things.
True but why is Justin needed for his operation then?
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:49 PM   #2141
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Reaching for possible explanations...RFID on the table has a proximity issue, Bluetooth speaker has the risk of disconnecting and wouldn't audio play through the phone?

Since it's been stated that the hole cards and equities are calculated automatically by a program, odds that they store their hand histories in a database? Must be probable if they also calculate and show stats - or is this manually done? Leaves the question about where the database lives, cloud or local, and if those credentials were figured out. Then it'd be easy to pull the data for the hole cards from the database and plop them in your own app...
Again why you should absolutely put a delay on storing that stuff. But who knows - they might not.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:49 PM   #2142
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Jonathan Little said in his vlog that they always delay the commentary now. However he may not have known Stones exact level of incompetence. Also I thought I heard it somewhere else.
Yes, that is the standard these days, but these guys are insiders and could easily trojan/remote the streaming PC/RFID.

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It could be a lot of things, it could be morse code, I didn't say I know for a fact that it was Justin feeding him the info, I said Justin feeding him the info is currently the best possible explanation given the evidence we have.

Justin has the most access to the stream, the most responsibility for preventing cheating and therefore the best person to get away with it, he was unprofessionally dismissive of initial accusations, and his traveling lines up with Mike losing superuser privileges.

The evidence against Justin is less open and shut then the evidence against Mike, and of course there could be additional insiders besides Justin, but it's reasonable to say that based on current info, Justin being the insider providing the stream to Mike is the simplest explanation that aligns with the existing evidence.

Nothing sophisticated about this operation, just abuse of trust and power with tools you can buy on Amazon/eBay.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:49 PM   #2143
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Ok go doubt somewhere else, and stop spamming this thread
lol ok bud
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:50 PM   #2144
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Justin is watching the live stream in his role as "Director of the Live Stream". I assume he has an office in the building, but he can send those live pictures to Mike's phone or he can speak to him remotely, if Mike wears a bone-conducting headset.
But in one of the earliest suspect hands posted ITT - where Mike clearly 'Godmodes', checks his phone and is wearing the hat - Justin is right there at the end of the hand. There's been other instances of Justin being around the table posted too.

Obviously, the Vegas downtime most heavily implicates Justin, but still unclear how Mike was getting the info. There is another 'producer' of the show mentioned in the booth. He is also the person who informs the commentators Mike's hand was read wrong when he supposedly has 8s9s.

Seems likely there was more than one method going on, with perhaps more than one accomplice.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:50 PM   #2145
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I saw one where Justin was commenting and Mike was making plays, Justin was there the whole time, Justin didn't appear to be talking about hole cards any more than a normal commentator would nor did he appear to be tapping on a telegraph machine
And if you actually watched Mike's play during that stream where Justin is in the commentary booth, he doesn't seem to be superusing. Go figure.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:50 PM   #2146
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The Dougs are on the case
Nice! Sorry Mike, it's on like Donkey Kong now son.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:51 PM   #2147
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I like how the dude who did a 30 mintue video and a co video with Joey got contacted, meanwhile Joey has been in the mix of this thread and posted 15 hours of review of hands.

Did he reach out to Joey? Seems like Doug would have to consult with Joey to get all the info. Let's face it tho it's the news, they will do a 60 second segment with 10 seconds of interview and say they did a full story on it.
He reached out to Joey and several others as well, even before Polk. Doug Johnson is my friend and a very good reporter.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:51 PM   #2148
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Put ourselves in Mike and his colluders shoes.

What info do we need?

The hole cards.

Excluding actually picking up opponents cards, how else can we view them?

Tap into RFID.

This takes a second person and it could be done remotely.

This remote controller could also relay this info to Mike via whatever sophisticated or basic means they have thought up.





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Old 10-03-2019, 06:52 PM   #2149
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I saw one where Justin was commenting and Mike was making plays, Justin was there the whole time, Justin didn't appear to be talking about hole cards any more than a normal commentator would nor did he appear to be tapping on a telegraph machine
I did an entire 5 hour review of that stream way back ITT. Mike is not superusing in that stream. He loses pots, double barrels bets into flopped sets, gets bluffed, folds the chop. Phone is in top pocket for a lot of it, no crotch assistance. When Justin is in the commentating booth Mike is not superusing. And can we please stop this whole Morse code thing lol it’s hilarious when all this other evidence is right in your face.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:53 PM   #2150
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Yes, that is the standard these days, but these guys are insiders and could easily trojan/remote the streaming PC/RFID.
Right - but we're talking about if the announcers are on delay or not. Most seem to think they are? But I've got one troll fanboy who now insists they aren't on delay.

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naive question. When a broadcast like this is delayed, are the announcers seeing it in real time and the action and their commentary are delayed together, or is the action delayed and the announcers are seeing it and calling it in real time with the audience?
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The casters are in an audio booth across the room watching the stream on delay.
So who's spamming the thread now Javoc?
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