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Old 10-03-2019, 06:12 PM   #2076
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How is he going to *hear* the live stream with a bone conducting speaker when the announcers don't commentate until 30 minutes later? If Justin is talking to him - where is Justin talking from and how does this not become suspicious after a while?
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What sound is the bone conductor conducting? Or does it create images in your brain? Cuz that would be freaking cool.
I guess you must be trolling, but in case you're not, or anyone else is late to the thread...
Justin is watching the live stream in his role as "Director of the Live Stream". I assume he has an office in the building, but he can send those live pictures to Mike's phone or he can speak to him remotely, if Mike wears a bone-conducting headset. To all intents and purposes, wearing a bone conductor just above your ear is like wearing in-ear headphones. It's just easier to conceal. You can hear music or speech through the skull bones above your ears.
The commentators only add their voiceovers when the "live recording" is uploaded to twitch 30 minutes after Justin has seen it and shared his observations with Mike.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:13 PM   #2077
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Earlier in the thread (near the start) someone mentioned Mike is apparently banned from all Caesars properties.

Any specifics on this, i.e. industry people who know his name is on a list and reason/s?
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:14 PM   #2078
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So Stones is using their own personal lawyer to head the investigation? hmmmm.

https://twitter.com/PocketAbes/statu...81128959737857
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:15 PM   #2079
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Suzzer are you secretly super old and from a fairly rural area?
How Justin would be finding time to speak into a phone, while working a tournament with multiple people around, is not a ridiculous question.

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread - I didn't realize he was left alone in a corner with his laptop where he a) see hole cards in real time and b) kill whatever is on his screen when someone comes close. That's so incredibly stupid on Stones part it never occurred to me.

But a couple posters were actually nice enough to consider my question about how Justin could get away with producing audio content for the bone speaker - which is completely legitimate - and answer with actual ideas w/o being dick trolls about it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:15 PM   #2080
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Does this work at any distance? Is there such a thing as an RFID reader that works at distance? It's ok to answer yes or no and not just paste a youtube.
Yes and no. RFID is very short distance, usually under a foot. There are new models that can read longer, but that wouldn't work here as the cards are too close each other and they would likely get confused.

But, a system like this linked to a phone app that allows him to read all seats on command, sent to his headset via bluetooth sounds plausible to me. I'm not a coder, so maybe someone more tech savvy could say how easy/hard this would be to do.

Is this more complicated than someone speaking the cards to him/morse code/whatever? Yes. But something like this would only require it be activated and could completely run by one person per stream.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:16 PM   #2081
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LOL He was representing Stones in that case

They're hiring their defense attorney to do the "independent investigation" of themselves!

If you read this document about that gambling commission case, Lipman is the defense attorney for stones owners, signed on page 11, AND there was a stipulation to have quarterly inspections and education by a CA gambling commission agent to occur during the suspension period of June 2016-2018). LOL has anyone figured out a start date for Postle’s first cheating session?

This Lipman guy literally not at all a good choice.

Chicago Joey needs to take this ****ing thing all the way.

http://www.cgcc.ca.gov/documents/adm...2_document.pdf
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:16 PM   #2082
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To see how bone conducting speakers work.... press your head against your refrigerator, it will be louder... Bone Conducting Speaker just vibrates on your head (like a speaker) but your head amplifies it. (trying to make it as easy as possible to understand)
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:17 PM   #2083
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So the casino owner is playing in a big tourney at his own casino? That seems sub-optimal.
dont think this event was at kings casino
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:17 PM   #2084
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The insane 3bet river bluff hand with 86o when Postles cards changed to 98s is by far the biggest evidence that we have.

It means that someone in backroom is changing the feed real time.

On the video you can hear in the background someone called Taylor saying it was a RFID error.

The whole commentator thing and 30 min delay are confusing people here, along with Justin Kuraitis being some ego maniac who loves being on camera too. I think that the commentary team were dumb and naive, but also they have a fun paying gig, so whatever. Of course it looks terrible now.

We do not know the setup of the backroom either. I would bet that Taylor's station is in the corner and can't be seen. Or maybe there is another back office.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:18 PM   #2085
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Sorry if I'm late on this but wtf is all this talk of morse code and even having an rfid scanner isn't the most plausible. It's beyond obvious in the cheat streams he is looking down into his crotch at his phone. Non-cheat streams he does not and his phone is on the table. Some of you trying to make this way more complicated than it is.

I'm not 100% sold on the hat theory but definitely seems like there could be something going on there. Maybe a combo of stream on phone and also headphones or maybe headphones were for the phone 'ban'.

I think the fact that two commentators have seen the actual live stream accidentally being played TVs in Stones while hands were in play makes the most likely explanation:

There are two streams being broadcast when cheat is happening, the delayed broadcast and another broadcast, most likely PW protected or with a link that only Mike has access too. Maybe a couple times the inside man accidentally pushed the secret broadcast to Stones TVs instead of the delay, who knows really but gtfo with this morse code ****.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:18 PM   #2086
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I guess you must be trolling, but in case you're not, or anyone else is late to the thread...
Justin is watching the live stream in his role as "Director of the Live Stream". I assume he has an office in the building, but he can send those live pictures to Mike's phone or he can speak to him remotely, if Mike wears a bone-conducting headset. To all intents and purposes, wearing a bone conductor just above your ear is like wearing in-ear headphones. It's just easier to conceal. You can hear music or speech through the skull bones above your ears.
The commentators only add their voiceovers when the "live recording" is uploaded to twitch 30 minutes after Justin has seen it and shared his observations with Mike.
Yeah I get that now. Although I'd still argue that the speaking part could be hard if just one person hears him. But I can totally see how if he's on his laptop, with access to hole cards in real time, and no one can see what he's doing - that wouldn't be too tough to produce some kind of audio in a speaker on the other end. Some sort of talk to text app on the laptop and a wifi speaker maybe. Not sure what the range is on those.

I was picturing him sitting next to two other production people in the booth or wandering over to the floor occasionally. In either of those cases it would be weird imo for them to a) always announce hole cards out loud or b) Justin to somehow sneak off to talk or text right there where people can see him.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:19 PM   #2087
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:19 PM   #2088
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Instead of speaking can it transmit -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:21 PM   #2089
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Yes but he can tell his fellow commentators that he has a nervous tick causing him to tap his foot on the ground or hand on the table hundreds of times a minute. Very standard issue - nobody would notice.
You put it in the shoe - under your big toe. Have none of you ever watched old spy movies or Get Smart? I think this was literally the plot of a Fantasy Island one time - cheating at poker with a toe-tapper thingy. Except if you lose the devil gets your soul. Actually I might be mixing up two different shows.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:21 PM   #2090
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Nice to see that poker might finally get some media coverage.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:21 PM   #2091
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Earlier in the thread (near the start) someone mentioned Mike is apparently banned from all Caesars properties.

Any specifics on this, i.e. industry people who know his name is on a list and reason/s?
And also on Joey's livestreams he's brought up multiple insinuations of shadiness but says something like "But he's not on trial for that, let's just stick to the hands"

Stuff about Tunica, Caesars, etc.

I feel like that helps build the case that this guy is a shady F
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:22 PM   #2092
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This thread went to **** when suzzer the boomer showed up.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:23 PM   #2093
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Does this work at any distance? Is there such a thing as an RFID reader that works at distance? It's ok to answer yes or no and not just paste a youtube.
"With frequencies below 100 kHz (and corresponding wavelengths of 3 km and longer) the tiny antennas attached to a playing card RFID chip means a reader has to be in virtual contact with the tag to read it."

PokerNews: Explaining RFID Technology and Poker
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:24 PM   #2094
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You put it in the shoe - under your big toe. Have none of you ever watched old spy movies or Get Smart? I think this was literally the plot of a Fantasy Island one time - cheating at poker with a toe-tapper thingy. Except if you lose the devil gets your soul. Actually I might be mixing up two different shows.
How is this relevant to the thread!? STOP POSTING.

Here, for anyone with comprehension issues, this is what's up:

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Sorry if I'm late on this but wtf is all this talk of morse code and even having an rfid scanner isn't the most plausible. It's beyond obvious in the cheat streams he is looking down into his crotch at his phone. Non-cheat streams he does not and his phone is on the table. Some of you trying to make this way more complicated than it is.

I'm not 100% sold on the hat theory but definitely seems like there could be something going on there. Maybe a combo of stream on phone and also headphones or maybe headphones were for the phone 'ban'.
^THIS IS IT
jfc we're 2000 posts into the thread, the how is somewhat well established. The entire ****ing point of this thread is that he is staring into his phone in his crotch all the time. It's not morse code. It's not a buzzer under his toe. ***********************
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:24 PM   #2095
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The Morse Code portion of this thread is now terminated.

Obviously people will come into this thread without having read all 2,000 posts or without having watched Joey's videos.

So let's use a bit of common sense and courtesy (both new entrants to the thread and thread "regulars") so that needless and silly derails can be avoided going forward.

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Old 10-03-2019, 06:25 PM   #2096
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:26 PM   #2097
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How Justin would be finding time to speak into a phone, while working a tournament with multiple people around, is not a ridiculous question.



Sorry I haven't read the whole thread - I didn't realize he was left alone in a corner with his laptop where he a) see hole cards in real time and b) kill whatever is on his screen when someone comes close. That's so incredibly stupid on Stones part it never occurred to me.



But a couple posters were actually nice enough to consider my question about how Justin could get away with producing audio content for the bone speaker - which is completely legitimate - and answer with actual ideas w/o being dick trolls about it.


Idk why you should be patted on the back for a really dumb grunch but here ya go Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:27 PM   #2098
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There are reports that Justin was just watching the stream on his laptop. Also reports that real time stream was viewable at times on monitors in the card room. Security seems to have been very lax.
This is a perfect example of if you make it possible - it will be abused - just like the AP/UB superuser. You have to design the whole setup so that only people sequestered away with no contact with the outside world see the real time stream. That seems like a bare minimum. Just find out what the WSOP does and emulate as much as possible.
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:27 PM   #2099
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The Morse Code portion of this thread is now terminated.

Obviously people will come into this thread without having read all 2,000 posts or without having watched Joey's videos.

So let's use a bit of common sense and courtesy (both new entrants to the thread and thread "regulars") so that needless and silly derails can be avoided going forward.

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Old 10-03-2019, 06:27 PM   #2100
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Would like to know what might happen in legal terms, if he will face charges or perhaps a civil suit? It will be terrible for poker if he gets away with this, but I don't know enough about law to guess what will happen next.
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