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Old 10-03-2019, 02:04 PM   #1851
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I play full time professionally at their sister club in San Diego. I think the guys from Stones bought it about 2? years ago or so... Could this potentially affect me if these guys lose their gaming license over this?
getting a little ahead of ourselves, but for sure. If they lose their gaming license its statewide, not club specific.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:04 PM   #1852
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This sums up the dissenters in the Postle cheating scandal:

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Old 10-03-2019, 02:07 PM   #1853
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thanks. Makes sense for high quality tables you see on major live streams

Any idea which one they used for Stones Stream? what if its custom built table? all the technology is avail off the shelf.

if passive as well, then likely something to do with data hack during transmission or while in graphics/production system?
That a boy Lou! Keep digging. If you keep working on it in another day or two you will only be 48 hours behind. Go go go!
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:08 PM   #1854
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thanks. Makes sense for high quality tables you see on major live streams

Any idea which one they used for Stones Stream? what if its custom built table? all the technology is avail off the shelf.

if passive as well, then likely something to do with data hack during transmission or while in graphics/production system?
This isn't that hard if you care:
  1. The table should not have the ability to transmit anything wirelessly.
  2. The table should have a dedicated line back to a server, which also cannot transmit anything wirelessly (or just put the server in the table for one less point of attack).
  3. This server after 5 minutes (or however long to make sure action is on to the next hand) - relays the stream to another server - which the broadcast team uses to make the graphics.
  4. This feed is constantly monitored by security to make sure it's properly behind.
  5. Anything transmitted - even wired - is encrypted.
  6. The server that collects the real time data should have no input or output except the network cable it needs to dump the data to the second server. No video card. And some kind of software lockdown to make sure that only the delayed stream can be sent out. Yes this part could be hacked but you could make it very hard. Doubtful a setup like this would have a world-class hacker as a 3rd conspirator. When not in use this server sits in a monitored vault so it would be very hard to mess with.
  7. Everything - hardware and software is spot-checked and audited before, during and after each session.

There might be some holes in this - it's just off the top of my head. But they should be solvable.

The problem is, having worked in IT for 20 years, no one cares. Management never grasps the extra steps needed for security. They just want it done cheap and now. Worst case scenario they'll just quit or get fired and move on to the next job. The only way something like this ever gets done right is if a relative grunt takes a principled stand against management and refuses to cut corners.

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Old 10-03-2019, 02:09 PM   #1855
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I'm not convinced. I watched a couple videos and saw some of the hands. Some of his mannerisms make it seem like something fishy is going on. But there is no damning evidence. Unless they catch him with a device on him or catch him with an app on his phone or something there is not proof. Or someone comes forward and admits to be an accomplice(also not 100% reliable evidence).

If he would have folded that A high flush against the straight flush or if he would have folded the 88 full house against the 1010 full house I would have been convinced but he doesn't. He calls off when he "knows" he's beat. Maybe that's to avoid detection idk. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand in either of those situations a flat call is reasonable. Those plays aren't that out of the ordinary. In the A high flush vs straight flush the board is paired. Opponent could reasonably have all full houses or even quads in that spot, it's not unreasonable to just call. Also in the 1010 vs 88 hand a call isn't that unreasonable as well. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand on the river and by raising his opponent is either going to fold or raise with a better hand, then why would he raise the river?

anyway... Not convinced.
What you think would happen if he folds those hands? He would be on youtube and twoplustwo in no time, and people would be looking at him more closely. He can't play perfect cheater game all the time, even he's not that stupid. He has been cheating for over a year now, cheaters and criminals tend to become lazy and start to feel immortal. That is why he got caught, he become too cocky with calling 95o 4bets etc.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:09 PM   #1856
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Why are some so quick to dismiss Mike Postle as the brains behind this operation? He has been referred to as dumb a lot in this thread. However, I see Mike Postle as someone who is not content just being a poker player. He even invented his own poker format: Dream Seat Poker which has been shown on Stones Live. He describes this Dream Seat as "a combination of a cash game and a tournament with some game show elements added to it."
I don't think it's particularly relevant here (apart from Mike's knowledge of the production process), but this can't help but remind me of Russ Hamilton's pet project TV show 'Ultimate Blackjack' https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115862745609367025. I recall this required a lot of capital injected from the Hall of Poker Shamer
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:10 PM   #1857
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According to CheckraiseCharles Justin was responsible for bringing players to the game "to get owned"...lamb to slaugher as he said.
He is responsible for bringing players to the game, but that's been part of his job for years.

I played on this stream in September 2017, 100-200 limit holdem. Thankfully this was just before Postle seems to have started his cheating. The game was actually fairly nitty, and I don't remember Mike being there.

Anyway, Justin was the one who arranged me coming in, including getting me a hotel room for a night. But yeah, if he was the one working with Postle here, then this would put him in a great position to call up deep-pocketed players to get spanked by his buddy.

Oh, and that final session where he played 25-50 was interesting. I think they were starting to get greedy, and were running bigger games so Mike could win even more. Indeed, he won $21k in that game.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:17 PM   #1858
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He is responsible for bringing players to the game, but that's been part of his job for years.

I played on this stream in September 2017, 100-200 limit holdem. Thankfully this was just before Postle seems to have started his cheating. The game was actually fairly nitty, and I don't remember Mike being there.

Anyway, Justin was the one who arranged me coming in, including getting me a hotel room for a night. But yeah, if he was the one working with Postle here, then this would put him in a great position to call up deep-pocketed players to get spanked by his buddy.

Oh, and that final session where he played 25-50 was interesting. I think they were starting to get greedy, and were running bigger games so Mike could win even more. Indeed, he won $21k in that game.
It was after this 25/50 session that I think pushed Veronica to go public. She was clearly speaking out the side of her mouth while commentating and watching him win another 10k+ was the final straw.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:18 PM   #1859
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thanks. Makes sense for high quality tables you see on major live streams

Any idea which one they used for Stones Stream? what if its custom built table? all the technology is avail off the shelf.

if passive as well, then likely something to do with data hack during transmission or while in graphics/production system?
almost 100% no hacking taking place

someone with access (presumably Justin) has the live feed on a computer and is allowing Postle to use TeamViewer to access that screen and see the video/holecards in real time.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:21 PM   #1860
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He is responsible for bringing players to the game, but that's been part of his job for years.

I played on this stream in September 2017, 100-200 limit holdem. Thankfully this was just before Postle seems to have started his cheating. The game was actually fairly nitty, and I don't remember Mike being there.

Anyway, Justin was the one who arranged me coming in, including getting me a hotel room for a night. But yeah, if he was the one working with Postle here, then this would put him in a great position to call up deep-pocketed players to get spanked by his buddy.

Oh, and that final session where he played 25-50 was interesting. I think they were starting to get greedy, and were running bigger games so Mike could win even more. Indeed, he won $21k in that game.
Ha, i guess you were lucky not to get invited again to the NLHE game. They got very greedy lately, but they are greedy from the start, winning every sessin lol i mean how ******ed you have to be not to think aboyt the scenario where someone looks into this and figures out its a rason enough to suspect cheating, which ofcourse it is. The spots Mike chooses are also ******ed, shows how clueless he really is, why not lose some sessions, make more money in bigger games, choose completely different spots like pre flop all-ins and justifiable river calls, just play solid in normal spots, but the inconsistency of his decisions and style, greed andd stupidity essentially, really gave them away.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:23 PM   #1861
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So I was looking through streams in which Justin Kuraitis was commentating. I found roughly 15 total streams, and only one of them had Mike in it. So I decided to take a look, and I found something very intriguing.

Throughout the whole episode, I didn't find a single example where I thought Mike was clearly cheating based on his play.

I figured Justin would be in the booth for the entire stream, but to my surprise he dips out of the commentary booth from 3:22:00 to 3:48:00.
Justin leaves: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=12120
Justin returns: https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=13680

I continued to watch the hands for anything suspicious, and something very interesting happens in a hand that takes place at the 3:54:00 mark (32 minutes after Justin leaves the commentary booth).

Preflop mike calls with 87o (nothing out of the ordinary here), but then proceeds to press down on his hat with both hands. The preflop raiser (whose cards are not read by the RFID reader in this hand) cbets 4 ways and Mike calls, and proceeds to press down on his hat with both hands again. I watched this whole stream and not once until now did I see him do this with his hat, and now he does it twice within 40 seconds??? On the turn 3 ways, it checks to Mike, who places each of his cards on the RFID reader, points to each of them, and says something to the dealer. Keep in mind that the RFID has not picked up his opponent's cards. It seems to me like he's trying to remind the guy that his cards need to go on the reader. Really suspicious stuff here. Here is the link to the hand in question:
https://youtu.be/GFQ531Y_KII?t=14040

As someone else mentioned, I should have clarified that the stream is on a 30-minute delay. That means that this hand occurs 2 minutes after Justin leaves the booth.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:26 PM   #1862
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To be fair this is kind of funny.
Context? You have players being cheating for hundreds of thousands of dollars and the people who facilitated it happening decide to make light of the whole situation. It is in incredibly bad taste and even if people do find it funny it makes them look like a joke of an outfit that isn't even taking it seriously which reflects terribly on them. You have to act professionally in a time like this as the company involved.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:28 PM   #1863
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I love how he decided to completely change his persona on the days he wasn't cheating

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Old 10-03-2019, 02:31 PM   #1864
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Here, I will break it down for you very simply. I take issue with your statement as a fact that Mike is multiple std deviations outside even Potripper. You have stated this without completing any statistical analysis whatsoever. It is a completely baseless statement.

I don't care that you can locate Potrippers std deviation over a sample size of 41 hands online. I don't care that you think Potripper had multiple Powerball winning results. Other people did the statistical calculations for Potripper and posted them online years ago. I would presume someone with your extensive 2 plus 2 history would know that. I was pretty sure you can google and find them, especially given your crotch photograph analysis.

I care that you are comparing a std deviation for Potripper with complete bullshit. You could have said, "yeah I got excited and was being hyperbolic" but you keep doubling down instead.

This thread reads much like the Poker is rigged thread except for the addition of crotch shot counts, bone headphones and staff vacation schedules.
Lol what is your deal pal. Take a hike then.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:32 PM   #1865
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Context? You have players being cheating for hundreds of thousands of dollars and the people who facilitated it happening decide to make light of the whole situation. It is in incredibly bad taste and even if people do find it funny it makes them look like a joke of an outfit that isn't even taking it seriously which reflects terribly on them. You have to act professionally in a time like this as the company involved.
I mean the edit itself is funny. its obviously incredibly poor taste and unprofessional. Things can be both. It also will not be helpful to their image should outside orgs start to investigate/news start reporting. So that is kind of funny they are ****ing themselves over even more.

That doesnt change the fact that a youtube play button wearing a cop hat throwing their banner in jail is funny.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:33 PM   #1866
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:33 PM   #1867
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Lol what is your deal pal. Take a hike then.
already figured out its a troll... Dont feed them
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:34 PM   #1868
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Context? You have players being cheating for hundreds of thousands of dollars and the people who facilitated it happening decide to make light of the whole situation. It is in incredibly bad taste and even if people do find it funny it makes them look like a joke of an outfit that isn't even taking it seriously which reflects terribly on them. You have to act professionally in a time like this as the company involved.
Certain casinos give me bad vibes. Like you walk in and immediately say "I don't like this place". Stones seems to rub me really wrong and I never set foot in that place. I will never ever consider playing there.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:35 PM   #1869
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I'm not convinced. I watched a couple videos and saw some of the hands. Some of his mannerisms make it seem like something fishy is going on. But there is no damning evidence. Unless they catch him with a device on him or catch him with an app on his phone or something there is not proof. Or someone comes forward and admits to be an accomplice(also not 100% reliable evidence).

If he would have folded that A high flush against the straight flush or if he would have folded the 88 full house against the 1010 full house I would have been convinced but he doesn't. He calls off when he "knows" he's beat. Maybe that's to avoid detection idk. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand in either of those situations a flat call is reasonable. Those plays aren't that out of the ordinary. In the A high flush vs straight flush the board is paired. Opponent could reasonably have all full houses or even quads in that spot, it's not unreasonable to just call. Also in the 1010 vs 88 hand a call isn't that unreasonable as well. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand on the river and by raising his opponent is either going to fold or raise with a better hand, then why would he raise the river?

anyway... Not convinced.
lol of course it's to "avoid detection"
It's beyond obvious he's cheating. and he's cheating like a total moron but that still isn't enough for you since he didn't actually fold the full house and nut flush he just called with them. amazing.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:36 PM   #1870
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Anyone watching Doug and Joey right now?

They covered a hand where Mike’s opponent was all-in pre, it went 3-handed to a flop, Mike shoves, Mike says “you scared me” when he thought for a second that his opponent had backdoored a straight. Problem is, his opponent had yet to table his cards.

Mike thought river was 5d which brought in a 7-high straight but it was actually 7d and Mike breathes a sigh of relief. And I repeat, his opponent had not tabled his cards, but Mike somehow magically thought running 7 and 5 had beaten his pair of 9s. Such a sixth sense.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:37 PM   #1871
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Talking more about the incident w/ Doug now

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Old 10-03-2019, 02:39 PM   #1872
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The youtube with the cop hat putting them in jail is a meme that they made months ago when they were banned from youtube.

They obv made it to their twitter header and haven't changed it since, but it looks terrible now with everything going on.

If you go to their streams from months ago they have it on their twitch overlay.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:41 PM   #1873
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The youtube with the cop hat putting them in jail is a meme that they made months ago when they were banned from youtube.

They obv made it to their twitter header and haven't changed it since, but it looks terrible now with everything going on.

If you go to their streams from months ago they have it on their twitch overlay.
Oh. Did they just put it back up or has it always been the banner?
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:43 PM   #1874
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He cheated Kevin Racks!
To be clear, THEY CHEATED RACKS!! The casino, Mike, and Justin.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:43 PM   #1875
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Mike only winning when Justin is in town and out of the booth, combined with the hat theory looks pretty air tight. It’s simple enough that they don’t need real it knowledge and it’s effective.

A couple dozen poker hands and a dude staring at his phone didn’t do it for me. But combined with the above it actually has legs. I hope the players who’ve been cheated will be compensated. It’s disgusting that the casino staff was involved.
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