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Old 10-03-2019, 01:30 PM   #1826
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I sure hope something comes of this, otherwise this thread is horribly embarrassing.

Accusing randoms as somehow being involved for having a different opinions to the mob is literally how witch hunts work.
It's ok to have a different opinion, except that most that are have nothing to back up their claim, compared to people that are investing hours and days into investigating this.

He is 100% guilty of cheating, but I don't know the law and how things will go from here.

The reputation of Stones Live Poker with current management and staff cannot recover from this.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:32 PM   #1827
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:33 PM   #1828
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from what I understand ITT, booth not really part of this.

Cards on these live streams have RFID transmitters in them.

An RFID receiver could be concealed on body . At that point you would know other players cards. That data could easily be transmitted to a simple app on a phone.

Not sure how you would handle the proximity though. Perhaps some sort of telescopics could be built into receiver. I havent looked at hands, Are most suspicious moves always against players close to him?

But actually now that I think about. Data from RFID receivers on table has to be transmitted to booth. If thats done via WIFI, then voila. easy to hack. If wired, then back to proximity problem of RFID reciever on body.

as I think one more time....if one were colluding with tech person on production staff then many other ways to get real time card data to someone without any human involved during the hand.

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Any local players have any info on RFID table system they use . Where did they get it? Who runs it?
Good work, Lou. Keep pondering and thinking about this and I'm positive in about 4 or 5 more days you will be up to speed with page 20 of this thread.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:36 PM   #1829
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Why are some so quick to dismiss Mike Postle as the brains behind this operation? He has been referred to as dumb a lot in this thread. However, I see Mike Postle as someone who is not content just being a poker player. He even invented his own poker format: Dream Seat Poker which has been shown on Stones Live. He describes this Dream Seat as "a combination of a cash game and a tournament with some game show elements added to it."


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Dream Seat Example
$5200 Buyin
$3k is on the table in the form of 300,000 in chips
$2k is put into a tournament prize pool
$200 goes to the house.
After a randomly selected hand in level 4 the shortest stack is eliminated and will go to the cage to cash out chips remaining for cash.
I presume this will continue until only 1 player remains.

Players would be able to win a seat into this Dream Seat game which would be live streamed / televised.

Dream Seat can incorporate a 72 aspect whereby if a player wins with 72 they have the opportunity to roll a dice numbered 2 to 7 and whichever number it lands on the player will take that many big blinds from each player at the table.

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Mike Postle says his "creativity just flows at all times." Well, there isn't anything much less creative than grinding live low stakes poker. It seems likely that he has been using all that creativity to think of ways to cheat the game. My guess is that his creativity was focused on Dream Seat Poker circa 2017 and after that didn't take off he focused his creativity towards ways to cheat the live stream.

In describing why he created Dream Seat, Mike Postle said he likes looking for ways to "make something more fun and exciting." It looks like he's been having a ball stealing thousands of dollars from other people. It looks way more fun than just grinding.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:37 PM   #1830
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from what I understand ITT, booth not really part of this.

Cards on these live streams have RFID transmitters in them.

An RFID receiver could be concealed on body . At that point you would know other players cards. That data could easily be transmitted to a simple app on a phone.

Not sure how you would handle the proximity though. Perhaps some sort of telescopics could be built into receiver. I havent looked at hands, Are most suspicious moves always against players close to him?

But actually now that I think about. Data from RFID receivers on table has to be transmitted to booth. If thats done via WIFI, then voila. easy to hack. If wired, then back to proximity problem of RFID reciever on body.

as I think one more time....if one were colluding with tech person on production staff then many other ways to get real time card data to someone without any human involved during the hand.

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Any local players have any info on RFID table system they use . Where did they get it? Who runs it?
The RFID used in poker cards is the passive variety - they can only transmit their contents when power is inducted inside them via the reader. This is why they have to make near direct contact with the reader.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:37 PM   #1831
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The 54o hand is cited as the main example and it's actually the least suspicious one to me as players with his stats call big allins with that type of hand all the time in my experience.
I agree here. The only thing that's suspicious about a hand like that and many of the others being cited is the fact that it's being done by the biggest winner in the game. Like how many times have you seen the random fish in your game put it allin pre with some total garbage and it happened to be a profitable play? Or make some 4bet turn bluff with air that happens to work out. Plenty of fish make those plays and get lucky. The only thing that actually makes any of these hands suspicious is that the type of person to make the kinds of plays he's making would be a losing player long term. Looking at hands in a vacuum is basically 100% useless, imo.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:38 PM   #1832
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Doug & Joey on a live stream now... Already 4000 people watching.... Insane how huge this is/has become
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:42 PM   #1833
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I'm not convinced. I watched a couple videos and saw some of the hands. Some of his mannerisms make it seem like something fishy is going on. But there is no damning evidence. Unless they catch him with a device on him or catch him with an app on his phone or something there is not proof. Or someone comes forward and admits to be an accomplice(also not 100% reliable evidence).

If he would have folded that A high flush against the straight flush or if he would have folded the 88 full house against the 1010 full house I would have been convinced but he doesn't. He calls off when he "knows" he's beat. Maybe that's to avoid detection idk. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand in either of those situations a flat call is reasonable. Those plays aren't that out of the ordinary. In the A high flush vs straight flush the board is paired. Opponent could reasonably have all full houses or even quads in that spot, it's not unreasonable to just call. Also in the 1010 vs 88 hand a call isn't that unreasonable as well. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand on the river and by raising his opponent is either going to fold or raise with a better hand, then why would he raise the river?

anyway... Not convinced.
Hey man congrats on watching a couple videos. You're only like 39 hours behind now
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:44 PM   #1834
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Obviously cheating.. Good thing he isn't smart.

So many river spots where he raises/leads or in some cases 3 and 4bets air and gets miraculous folds in spots _nobody_ bluffs.
He is incredibly dumb and greedy
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:45 PM   #1835
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I play full time professionally at their sister club in San Diego. I think the guys from Stones bought it about 2? years ago or so... Could this potentially affect me if these guys lose their gaming license over this?
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:47 PM   #1836
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A few things I'd like to say here.

First off, I have a friend in the Sacramento area who has some media contacts, and he's been trying to get the TV stations and newspapers there to cover it. They have shown some moderate interest thus far. I will update you with any further news on this. Keep in mind that mass media coverage is what will blow this up to where real investigations by law enforcement might take place.

The Justin angle really needs to be explored more. If it can be shown that Mike's superuser-like play completely ceases both when Justin is gone AND when Justin is in the booth, then that's pretty damn strong circumstantial evidence that he was the inside guy. The facts that Justin has identified Mike as a personal friend AND his being in charge of everything makes him the #1 suspected accomplice already.

As to why Mike would even bother playing when he doesn't have insider help... I think it's fairly obvious. Let's say Justin and Mike were indeed the ones in cahoots. Mike asks, "Hey what should I do while you're at the WSOP? Stay away?" Justin answers, "Kind of. Don't play as often, but show up a few times and play conservatively, so nothing looks funny. Also, it will help anyway with the optics if you're not crushing the game for a little while."

Regarding any criminal case, forget it unless this blows up huge in the mass media, and enough investigating is done in order to either reveal a smoking gun or one of the conspirators cracks. Juries simply do not like handing down criminal convictions when there appears to be even a small amount of reasonable doubt. As you can see from this thread, even some poker players aren't 100% convinced (even though the vast majority is certain, myself included.)

The stack sizes Mike plays with should also be examined. From what I can tell, Mike likes having a big stack when he's cheating, and a small stack when he's not. There's a good reason for this. You need a big stack to re-bluff when someone re-raises you. Basically you need the table covered to where your bluffs against everyone have fold equity.

Finally, getting access to text message records are not as simple as you might think. This isn't the 2000s where all texts are SMS, and records are kept by phone carriers. Today, many text messages are actually sent via internet, and not handled by the phone carrier at all. For example, when texting iPhone to iPhone, this is usually the case. Even if the phone carrier's data is handling the text, it is treated as an internet request, and not as a text. This is why you can still send "iMessage" type texts even when you have no cell service but a WiFi connection. (For example, last time I flew, I was texting plenty of friends despite being in airplane mode.)

However, a criminal investigation could still be useful. It could still be looking for:

- Cash deposits or unexpected purchases by Justin or other suspected co-conspirators

- Info on devices, if they could be seized without the conspirators destroying or resetting them (I'm guessing that's useless by this point, though)

- Possible text message records and iMessage type records (these would be two separate requests)

Anyway, don't hold your breath. None of this is likely happening.

A civil suit could possibly have legs, though.

Has anyone called Stones to ask about this investigation? It's important that someone leads it other than Justin.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:49 PM   #1837
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It's ok to have a different opinion, except that most that are have nothing to back up their claim, compared to people that are investing hours and days into investigating this.

He is 100% guilty of cheating, but I don't know the law and how things will go from here.

The reputation of Stones Live Poker with current management and staff cannot recover from this.
You have like 100 posts in this thread and are not involved in the slightest. You don't know any of the parties involved or anything. Literally nothing to do with any of this. Same information available as people who disagree with you
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:49 PM   #1838
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Also, unfortunately CA Gaming is very weak, and doesn't like getting involved in matters like these.

This is why so many shady things have persisted for so many years at places like Commerce. I mean, take a look into the whole "player banked" gaming situation there and at other CA card rooms. It's a joke, to where a corporation has basically taken over the player banking, and they ban anyone who tries to player bank. And the state simply doesn't give a crap. That's far more provable than all of this.

With that said, I believe if Stones is sufficiently pressured, they will fire Justin and anyone else they feel is involved, in an effort to distance themselves from this mess. I think that's the best we can hope for, aside from a successful civil suit.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:50 PM   #1839
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:51 PM   #1840
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Stealing from a guy on his last legs due to terminal cancer, sickening. Like makes me literally physically sick.
Technically he is stealing from his family
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:51 PM   #1841
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Has anyone reached out to Scott Moskowitz (@TheHopGrenadeor) or Chris Glasgow (@Mastac707) who are two regular commentors? Scott just praises Mike Postle at every opportunity and seems to regularly comment on these streams for over a year.
Chris Glasgow has been actively engaged in the conversation about the affair on the Discord server for the training site Crush Live Poker (which has a dog in this hunt because they have been using Stones streamed games in their training videos).
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:51 PM   #1842
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:54 PM   #1843
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The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological claim that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present; the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that one of them will help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

someone contacted the california gaming commission right?

Bureau of Gambling Control
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(916) 830-1700 – For Complaints: select option 4, Compliance and Enforcement Section.

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Old 10-03-2019, 01:54 PM   #1844
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Obviously cheating.. Good thing he isn't smart.

So many river spots where he raises/leads or in some cases 3 and 4bets air and gets miraculous folds in spots _nobody_ bluffs.
This is always the first thought that comes to mind when scandals like this break. At some stage, you have such complete idiots involved in the scam that are so clueless that they basically out themselves. How often both online and live have similar things been undertaken by people with half a brain, a bit of planning and good execution that make it virtually impossible to detect and have drained money going completely unnoticed.

In this particular case, the best argument for him being innocent is that how could someone be so unbelievably dumb in the execution of using this magic money-making machine.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:55 PM   #1845
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I think we can safely predict the outcome of Stones 2nd internal investigation.

I dare them to implement one rule: no hats.

A phone ban resulted from their first review yet they do not police this.

If Mike has no hat and no phone, his God-mode is deactivated.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:55 PM   #1846
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After watching Polk's video, it is almost guaranteed this guy is a cheater. He really probably could have gone so much lo ger without being caught if he did in in a more realistic, less greedy, way of occasionally losing, and not always making such amazing hero folds and bluffs.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:57 PM   #1847
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The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological claim that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when other people are present; the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that one of them will help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

someone contacted the california gaming commission right?

Bureau of Gambling Control
P.O. Box 168024
Sacramento, CA 95816-8024
(916) 830-1700 – For Complaints: select option 4, Compliance and Enforcement Section.

http://www.cgcc.ca.gov/?pageID=complaints
I may be wrong but I believe only an individual who has lost money to Mike can lodge a complaint. It's disappointing that no one has come forward to say "that was me in the hand where I lost 5k to Mike"
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:00 PM   #1848
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To be fair this is kind of funny.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:01 PM   #1849
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According to CheckraiseCharles Justin was responsible for bringing players to the game "to get owned"...lamb to slaugher as he said.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:02 PM   #1850
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The RFID used in poker cards is the passive variety - they can only transmit their contents when power is inducted inside them via the reader. This is why they have to make near direct contact with the reader.
thanks. Makes sense for high quality tables you see on major live streams

Any idea which one they used for Stones Stream? what if its custom built table? all the technology is avail off the shelf.

if passive as well, then likely something to do with data hack during transmission or while in graphics/production system?
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