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Old 10-03-2019, 12:30 PM   #1801
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I played that game. I can confirm Justin was in Australia.
he plays this session just like an average live poker whale.

he doesnt make any light multiway moves, his hat is not stuffed with something on the side, very funny.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:34 PM   #1802
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Here, I will break it down for you very simply. I take issue with your statement as a fact that Mike is multiple std deviations outside even Potripper. You have stated this without completing any statistical analysis whatsoever. It is a completely baseless statement.

I don't care that you can locate Potrippers std deviation over a sample size of 41 hands online. I don't care that you think Potripper had multiple Powerball winning results. Other people did the statistical calculations for Potripper and posted them online years ago. I would presume someone with your extensive 2 plus 2 history would know that. I was pretty sure you can google and find them, especially given your crotch photograph analysis.

I care that you are comparing a std deviation for Potripper with complete bullshit. You could have said, "yeah I got excited and was being hyperbolic" but you keep doubling down instead.

This thread reads much like the Poker is rigged thread except for the addition of crotch shot counts, bone headphones and staff vacation schedules.
Are you trolling or are you a friend of Mike ?
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:35 PM   #1803
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Dumb question - there any reason why the booth needs to see the cards in real time? Put them on a 5 minute delay or something.

If that's not enough time for them to create the graphics or w/e, then just add 5 minutes to the total time delay.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:37 PM   #1804
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https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...92317123604481
"Been good, I've been tuning in from Australia! Heading home tomorrow! Come play soon!"
Aug 7, 2019

July 29th tweet geolocated to CA:
https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...60504608706562

Aug1 tweet geolocated to Australia:
https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...74629434056710

So we can conclude he went to Aus after July 29th but before Aug1, and left Australia on Aug 8th
Great thanks for posting this. I missed the tweet from August 7th. I just skimmed through the Aug 7 stream and did not look like he was superusing that night. He does book a 4600 win but there was a $10 straddle most of the night and everyone was pretty deep. Hit a 6 outer in a bomb pot to cooler his opponent once and just made some hands in some other pretty big pots. Nothing too out of the ordinary. Never tried to steal pots when no one had anything,etc.

So far we have the following games that Mike played that we was not superusing during:
6/1
6/3
6/15
6/17
7/8
7/22 Maybe? not sure about this one
7/24 Only one where Justin was at the casino
8/3
8/7

As mentioned, Justin was in Vegas for the first 5 and Australia for the last two. His total profit for these 8 sessions was ~$800. I think it's important to get a full these of these sessions to make sure Mike/Justin don't use any hands from these sessions in their defense.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:39 PM   #1805
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he plays this session just like an average live poker whale.

he doesnt make any light multiway moves, his hat is not stuffed with something on the side, very funny.
Also you can see his left hand and he's not staring at his crotch.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:42 PM   #1806
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Great thanks for posting this. I missed the tweet from August 7th. I just skimmed through the Aug 7 stream and did not look like he was superusing that night. He does book a 4600 win but there was a $10 straddle most of the night and everyone was pretty deep. Hit a 6 outer in a bomb pot to cooler his opponent once and just made some hands in some other pretty big pots. Nothing too out of the ordinary. Never tried to steal pots when no one had anything,etc.



So far we have the following games that Mike played that we was not superusing during:

6/1

6/3

6/15

6/17

7/8

7/22 Maybe? not sure about this one

7/24 Only one where Justin was at the casino

8/3

8/7



As mentioned, Justin was in Vegas for the first 5 and Australia for the last two. His total profit for these 8 sessions was ~$800. I think it's important to get a full these of these sessions to make sure Mike/Justin don't use any hands from these sessions in their defense.
This is something that you can actually test. You can simply compare the stats from when JFK is in town to not and see if there is a statistically significant difference.

There are some other fancy things that could be done to bolster the basic comparison.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:45 PM   #1807
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If these allegations are proven to be true, which they will, why risk your entire reputation not just in the poker community, but in life overall just to make some $$$? Especially for Justin. Seems unconscionable that these guys would not care about this in the slightest.
No clue. This sort of thing happens all the time. Go watch some episodes of American Greed. There are 176 episodes over 13 seasons and counting which deal with 1 or 2 cases per episode.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:46 PM   #1808
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Are you trolling or are you a friend of Mike ?
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Troll at this point. I tried to be reasonable with him but let’s just move on with more important matters. Appreciate the support though.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:46 PM   #1809
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Dumb question - there any reason why the booth needs to see the cards in real time? Put them on a 5 minute delay or something.

If that's not enough time for them to create the graphics or w/e, then just add 5 minutes to the total time delay.
from what I understand ITT, booth not really part of this.

Cards on these live streams have RFID transmitters in them.

An RFID receiver could be concealed on body . At that point you would know other players cards. That data could easily be transmitted to a simple app on a phone.

Not sure how you would handle the proximity though. Perhaps some sort of telescopics could be built into receiver. I havent looked at hands, Are most suspicious moves always against players close to him?

But actually now that I think about. Data from RFID receivers on table has to be transmitted to booth. If thats done via WIFI, then voila. easy to hack. If wired, then back to proximity problem of RFID reciever on body.

as I think one more time....if one were colluding with tech person on production staff then many other ways to get real time card data to someone without any human involved during the hand.

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Any local players have any info on RFID table system they use . Where did they get it? Who runs it?
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:47 PM   #1810
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Dumb question - there any reason why the booth needs to see the cards in real time? Put them on a 5 minute delay or something.

If that's not enough time for them to create the graphics or w/e, then just add 5 minutes to the total time delay.
The booth doesnt see them in real time. At least no the commentary booth. Sounds like there may be a secure RFID room with a graphics guy who sees them in near real time?
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:48 PM   #1811
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Hi everyone. Don't focus on the State of California. They are unlikely to provide justice. It's a one party state full of corruption at every level. Make your complaints to the FBI directly, and the DoJ can sort this out. There is a lot of crossover with ACR in this matter. There might be an existing federal investigation already that we don't know about.

The FBI has raided card clubs already in the last few years over CTRs and other organized crime. This is right up their alley. It will be trivial to get phone records to nail these guys. There is enough for a warrant already. However, a state judge is going to be confused, and not likely convinced. A warrant to supplement and existing investigation would go down much easier at the federal level.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:49 PM   #1812
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:49 PM   #1813
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One thing you could communicate to lay people might be bluffing and calling bluffs. Everyone gets that basic concept.

If I were trying to explain this to my mom, I might say he played for 200 (?) hours and every single time he tried to bluff it worked and every single time someone tried to bluff him it failed. I know there are a couple easily explained exceptions.
Seems like a pretty smart idea. You can even get some stats from some other good players for comparison. Pull up a few sessions of doug polk playing the micros. One of the top players with millions of winnings only gets his bluffs through 60% (or whatever) of the time vs less experienced players , and this is normal. Now, Mike's bluffs work with 99% accuracy. Seems highly improbable.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:51 PM   #1814
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from what I understand ITT, booth not really part of this.

Cards on these live streams have RFID transmitters in them.

An RFID receiver could be concealed on body . At that point you would know other players cards. That data could easily be transmitted to a simple app on a phone.

Not sure how you would handle the proximity though. Perhaps some sort of telescopics could be built into receiver. I havent looked at hands, Are most suspicious moves always against players close to him?

But actually now that I think about. Data from RFID receivers on table has to be transmitted to booth. If thats done via WIFI, then voila. easy to hack. If wired, then back to proximity problem of RFID reciever on body.

If one were colluding with tech person on production stuff then many other ways to get real time card data to someone without any human involved during the hand.
Seems like they need to scramble each RFID with a key that comes with the deck.

So say a case of cards gets one key. Before play starts they open a new case and some IT guy enters the key into the server that tracks the cards.

Or just go back to cameras.

Edit: well I guess once you figure out the encrypted signature of each card in the case then you know it for the rest of that case. Hmmm.

Ok each deck has a different key. The case comes with a USB thumb drive that has keys for all the decks.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:51 PM   #1815
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Dumb question - there any reason why the booth needs to see the cards in real time? Put them on a 5 minute delay or something.

If that's not enough time for them to create the graphics or w/e, then just add 5 minutes to the total time delay.
The dealer (at least on LATB, but I think Stones as well) has an ear piece that is connected to the tech booth. You will see from time to time the dealer asking a player to put their cards over the RFID reader since they weren't picked up the first time. I've watch a lot more LATB than Stones, and I know I've seen LATB dealers ask players to do this.

I've also seen a few instances of dealers asking how much is being added on to a stack so the tech can update stacks. Not sure if this comes from the tech or simply just the dealer letting the table know what is in play, but it's happened.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:54 PM   #1816
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Wonder how our man Justin's pro tip has been working out for him the past couple of days?

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Old 10-03-2019, 12:54 PM   #1817
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Troll at this point. I tried to be reasonable with him but let’s just move on with more important matters. Appreciate the support though.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:59 PM   #1818
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Troll at this point. I tried to be reasonable with him but let’s just move on with more important matters. Appreciate the support though.
You should see his work in the new politics forum. Except there's about 8 clones of him as well. It's fun.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:10 PM   #1819
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Great thanks for posting this. I missed the tweet from August 7th. I just skimmed through the Aug 7 stream and did not look like he was superusing that night. He does book a 4600 win but there was a $10 straddle most of the night and everyone was pretty deep. Hit a 6 outer in a bomb pot to cooler his opponent once and just made some hands in some other pretty big pots. Nothing too out of the ordinary. Never tried to steal pots when no one had anything,etc.

So far we have the following games that Mike played that we was not superusing during:
6/1
6/3
6/15
6/17
7/8
7/22 Maybe? not sure about this one
7/24 Only one where Justin was at the casino
8/3
8/7

As mentioned, Justin was in Vegas for the first 5 and Australia for the last two. His total profit for these 8 sessions was ~$800. I think it's important to get a full these of these sessions to make sure Mike/Justin don't use any hands from these sessions in their defense.
Sorry looks like I missed the stream on 7/31. I originally assumed Justin was in town and Postle was superusing since he won 9k, but it appears Justin actually left for Australia on 7/29 (per his vlog). Will look at this stream more closely, but based on my initial review it appears he was not superusing this night. He won a 4 way all in with a flopped flush and just ran super hot. Scroll to 2:30:00 of the video where he folds the best hand on the river to a 1/3 pot bet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Fr_vxeOmY&t=11933s
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:12 PM   #1820
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Sorry looks like I missed the stream on 7/31. I originally assumed Justin was in town and Postle was superusing since he won 9k, but it appears Justin actually left for Australia on 7/29 (per his vlog). Will look at this stream more closely, but based on my initial review it appears he was not superusing this night. He won a 4 way all in with a flopped flush and just ran super hot. Scroll to 2:30:00 of the video where he folds the best hand on the river to a 1/3 pot bet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Fr_vxeOmY&t=11933s
I did the same thing previously (looking at that stream) (didn't post about it) and basically had the same opinion as you: That Postle just god-runs (actually god-runs, not cheater-god runs) that session. Dude just hits everything every hand, basically
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:16 PM   #1821
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I'm not convinced. I watched a couple videos and saw some of the hands. Some of his mannerisms make it seem like something fishy is going on. But there is no damning evidence. Unless they catch him with a device on him or catch him with an app on his phone or something there is not proof. Or someone comes forward and admits to be an accomplice(also not 100% reliable evidence).

If he would have folded that A high flush against the straight flush or if he would have folded the 88 full house against the 1010 full house I would have been convinced but he doesn't. He calls off when he "knows" he's beat. Maybe that's to avoid detection idk. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand in either of those situations a flat call is reasonable. Those plays aren't that out of the ordinary. In the A high flush vs straight flush the board is paired. Opponent could reasonably have all full houses or even quads in that spot, it's not unreasonable to just call. Also in the 1010 vs 88 hand a call isn't that unreasonable as well. If he suspects his opponent has a strong hand on the river and by raising his opponent is either going to fold or raise with a better hand, then why would he raise the river?

anyway... Not convinced.

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Old 10-03-2019, 01:20 PM   #1822
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thank god this guy is so big of a whale he thinks good/solid poker means he needs to win every hand when he's ahead and has no clue about how real poker hands play out.

it would be very damaging for the players if anyone over 70iq could superuse a game this soft and they would never found out they got cheated.
Would've taken players at that casino at least another three years to figure out something was off if their cheating methods didn't need a stream.

The 54o hand is cited as the main example and it's actually the least suspicious one to me as players with his stats call big allins with that type of hand all the time in my experience. (it's the moneymaker winning wsop hand so it easily could've been a pure trolling thought process) Hopefully that tilted the hell out of him.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:21 PM   #1823
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I like the hand where there's three people who see flop: K-8-4 , two hears.... Mike has AK. And one guy goes all in for $825. Pot is 1.4k - Mike only has to call off $665 with TPTK on a relatively harmless board that has a flush draw. Mike also has $4.3k behind. And he folds! LoL - so suspect. Only reason he folded he knew, meaning his phone showed, the other guy had a set. And another a flush draw and he was basically drawing dead. But if you didn't know, it's an insta-call given the circumstances.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:23 PM   #1824
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I sure hope something comes of this, otherwise this thread is horribly embarrassing.

Accusing randoms as somehow being involved for having a different opinions to the mob is literally how witch hunts work.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:24 PM   #1825
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Obviously cheating.. Good thing he isn't smart.

So many river spots where he raises/leads or in some cases 3 and 4bets air and gets miraculous folds in spots _nobody_ bluffs.
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