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Old 10-03-2019, 08:36 AM   #1701
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JTo bomb pot, turn 3-bet 4-handed - disgusting

Mike needs to be banned from ever again setting foot in a California casino

Stones employees need to lose their jobs

Stones Live, currently suspended, should be permanently suspended

No I am not joking.
The broadcasters' fanaticism about Mike is upsetting. The most normie reg should pick up something weird is happening, their job is to offer expertise.

Lol Stones.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:38 AM   #1702
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JTo bomb pot, turn 3-bet 4-handed - disgusting

Mike needs to be banned from ever again setting foot in a California casino.

Stones employees and senior management need to lose their jobs.

Stones Live, currently suspended, should be permanently shut down.

No I am not joking.


Agreed completely.. heads gotta roll at stones. I wouldn’t be surprised if the casino itself actually goes pretty hard against Justin and Mike to save face. Not saying casino is involved past Justin but if they sweep this under the rug it would be damming to its reputation even more


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Old 10-03-2019, 08:40 AM   #1703
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Looks like hats and sunglasses should be banned from poker that is live streamed.
How about phones?
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:43 AM   #1704
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JTo bomb pot, turn 3-bet 4-handed - disgusting

Mike needs to be banned from ever again setting foot in a California casino

Stones employees need to lose their jobs

Stones Live, currently suspended, should be permanently suspended

No I am not joking.
Barring a culpable party coming right out and confessing that there is collusion/cheating, we have no conclusive proof that he ever cheated at this point.


There are players that have stolen 10x more than Mike has made who are welcome at the WSOP and casinos around the country.

Stones got their rake regardless, so they have no incentive to launch a conclusive investigation.


The even the educated assertations here aren't real proof. If we apply that standard to deciding who gets banned from casinos, then good faith players could suffer.

Linus, OTB, and the Russians could be banned from live venues if our standard for who could and couldn't play was based on a preponderance of opinions, depending on who was stating those opinions.



Of course they don't take the same lines as Mike's suspect ones...but they take different lines than your average full ring reg, and they win with them.

Without hard proof, what's the difference?
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:44 AM   #1705
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How about phones?
After Stones first investigation, they supposedly did ban phones, yet clearly have not stringently enforced that rule.

I agree that hats should be banned for streams.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:50 AM   #1706
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It appears Justin was in Australia the first week of August. I can't confirm his exact dates, but looks he left on August 1 and returned between August 7th and 10th. Mike P played in at least one game while he was gone, 8/3. Watching this stream, it doesn't appear he is in god mode. He books a small win but was down big before flopping a set late in the stream and winning a 5k pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp4kg_5q2_o&t=9037s

Will be looking at his next game, on 8/7 to see if he was back to Godmode.

Also during the 8/3 stream, his brother is in the booth for about an hour. I looked to see if there was any difference in play in the window 30 minutes after his brother went to the booth to see if he could be in on it somehow, but have not seen anything yet that would indicate he is. He does respond to a question in the chat and says he brother spent a night in jail (2:55:00). Shocking
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:51 AM   #1707
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Seems inevitable that all electronics will hafta be banned from casino poker tables. I’m unsure whether that’s necessarily good or bad for the overall health of live
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:51 AM   #1708
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Postle is GOAT.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:53 AM   #1709
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Barring a culpable party coming right out and confessing that there is collusion/cheating, we have no conclusive proof that he ever cheated at this point.
Yes we do.

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Without hard proof, what's the difference?
Statistics are hard proof. Winning at the rate he did without cheating would require luck on the order of winning several consecutive lotteries. It's ridiculous to say 250+ hours of video are not proof.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:55 AM   #1710
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Linus, OTB, and the Russians could be banned from live venues if our standard for who could and couldn't play was based on a preponderance of opinions, depending on who was stating those opinions.

Of course they don't take the same lines as Mike's suspect ones...but they take different lines than your average full ring reg, and they win with them.

Without hard proof, what's the difference?
yeah, but LLinus and co. would have like 1/5th the winrate this guy has, and they make plays that can be justified with poker knowledge.

this guy just clicks buttons, rarely plays a hand theoritically sound and crush way harder than any of the above ever will @ nl2 vs grandmas.

seeing all the showdowns is hard enough proof, at least for us, poker players. we don't need to know the method, it's crystal clear he's cheating.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:56 AM   #1711
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Seems inevitable that all electronics will hafta be banned from casino poker tables. I’m unsure whether that’s necessarily good or bad for the overall health of live
A rule that you cannot use your phone during a hand -- common in my experience, though not always strictly enforced -- would have prevented Postle from cheating in the same way. I believe that and no earphones are as far as you would need to go.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:59 AM   #1712
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Yes we do.



Statistics are hard proof. Winning at the rate he did without cheating would require luck on the order of winning several consecutive lotteries. It's ridiculous to say 250+ hours of video are not proof.
That something is highly unlikely doesn't make it hard proof right?

I do think it's obv that he's cheating but just saying unlikelyhood alone is probably not hard proof in court?
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:02 AM   #1713
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That something is highly unlikely doesn't make it hard proof right?

I do think it's obv that he's cheating but just saying unlikelyhood alone is probably not hard proof in court?
Well given nobody has ever achieved such documentable luck in recent recorded human history is a fair starting point. And likely never will. Remember it’s called reasonable doubt not unreasonable doubt. Having unreasonable doubt of the evidence is unreasonable.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:03 AM   #1714
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It appears Justin was in Australia the first week of August. I can't confirm his exact dates, but looks he left on August 1 and returned between August 7th and 10th. Mike P played in at least one game while he was gone, 8/3. Watching this stream, it doesn't appear he is in god mode. He books a small win but was down big before flopping a set late in the stream and winning a 5k pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp4kg_5q2_o&t=9037s

Will be looking at his next game, on 8/7 to see if he was back to Godmode.

Also during the 8/3 stream, his brother is in the booth for about an hour. I looked to see if there was any difference in play in the window 30 minutes after his brother went to the booth to see if he could be in on it somehow, but have not seen anything yet that would indicate he is. He does respond to a question in the chat and says he brother spent a night in jail (2:55:00). Shocking
https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...92317123604481
"Been good, I've been tuning in from Australia! Heading home tomorrow! Come play soon!"
Aug 7, 2019

July 29th tweet geolocated to CA:
https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...60504608706562

Aug1 tweet geolocated to Australia:
https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/statu...74629434056710

So we can conclude he went to Aus after July 29th but before Aug1, and left Australia on Aug 8th
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:04 AM   #1715
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That something is highly unlikely doesn't make it hard proof right?

I do think it's obv that he's cheating but just saying unlikelyhood alone is probably not hard proof in court?
We're not talking about "highly unlikely", we are talking about "statistically impossible".

Incidentally, the chance of a false positive with DNA testing (matching an unrelated person) is around one billion to one. It's still accepted as evidence in court.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:09 AM   #1716
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That something is highly unlikely doesn't make it hard proof right?



I do think it's obv that he's cheating but just saying unlikelyhood alone is probably not hard proof in court?
It's statistically more credible than DNA evidence and far more credible than eyewitness testimony
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:11 AM   #1717
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Article is very poorly written, especially regarding the AK vs 45 hand. Fails to mention it was 3 ways and ran twice, thusmike getting 50% and the other 2 getting quartered. It just says he won 11k.
"One hand that raised some eyebrows among the conspiracy theorists on Poker Twitter was a hand played between Moneymaker and Postle. In the hand, Postle called an all-in bet with 5-4 pre-flop. Moneymaker and another player each held A-K. Postle went on to win the hand, scooping an $11,000 pot.

Technically, Postle was the favorite because his opponents were sharing unpaired cards. He had a 42 percent chance to win. So, he made the correct play. But how could he have possibly known both of his opponents had the exact same hand?"
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:14 AM   #1718
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38:45 an absolutely unreal shove with bottom pair into 2 opponents on the flop after the bet then raise. Wtf wtf wtf!!! Again he glances down between his legs. Do you guys see this? I think he knows what the opponents have because he gets a direct feed of the stream (with no delay) to his phone imo.

Also why in the hell does he recheck his cards like 4 times but that 4th time he does it nice and slow so he can see something in his crotch. Again 38:45 ladies and gentlemen. 38:45

https://youtu.be/oOxc4qbQiLo

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:16 AM   #1719
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However, what I do know: I've played on the Stones Live Stream multiple times (with Postle in the game every time lol) and cards have definitely been misread.

One example:



In this hand, I (Sammy) actually had QJ and Dave C had A-Jos (the hand went to showdown). As you can see, the card-readers have it completely wrong.

Link to the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajF2_mLyts
This hand occurs at 1:16:00
The examples I've seen where cards were "misread" all involve the system displaying whatever the player had LAST hand. It can happen selectively, i.e. it will display last hand's cards for some players but not all.

In the example you give, the hand before, we only see a few hands. But clear as day, Kevin displays as having AdKh in the previous hand, and then displays as having AdKh again in the following hand.

Your play the prior hand is consistent with K7o -- overlimp multiway on the button in a straddled pot, fold to flop bet from the straddle.

I'm still trying to find a "rfid misread" instance where a player's cards are displayed incorrectly and I can definitively say that the misdisplayed hand isn't simply the player's holding on a prior hand.

So far as I've seen, a "misread" player's actual hand can't just be any two cards that happen to make his/her play more believable. It doesn't look like an RFID error so much as a software problem of some sort.

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:21 AM   #1720
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Atleast he could avoid being so obvious in those multiway pots and just go full mental when he plays headsup. What a ****** cheater.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:24 AM   #1721
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hahaha this is amazing, good work bourrc9

It has previously been concluded that Mike Postle's godmode turned off in the summer when Justin K was in Vegas.

Then first week of august, Justin goes to Australia for a week and suddenly... Mike is making mistakes again:

Loopy preflop call if he knows the holecards


Loopy flopbet, if he knows the holecards (we know a cheating Mike would check)


Doesn't steal this pot at any point when everyone has air




Seriously, we can basically conclude that Justin Kuraitis is 100% his inside man. From making up RFID lies to cover Mike's inane plays, running a "very conclusive investigation", and being away for exactly the times Mike doesn't godmode (cheat) the table, being personal friend of his, etc. Yeah. It's him. 100%.

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:27 AM   #1722
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It's statistically more credible than DNA evidence and far more credible than eyewitness testimony
Absolutely this.

Of course absolute proof would be for his house to be raided and to retrieve his caps and to forensically search his phone, neither of which will happen.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:27 AM   #1723
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:27 AM   #1724
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On top of the fact that when Justin was commentating Mike didn’t have Godmode on in the one stream they are both seen together on. I’m convinced of it at this point. I really hope Stones do an investigation with him in the crosshairs.
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Old 10-03-2019, 09:28 AM   #1725
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https://wizardofodds.com/online-gamb...bsolute-poker/

https://books.google.ie/books?id=RaI...llions&f=false

Odds of potripper winning were 1 in 6.6 trillion according to this. I believe the odds of winning the lottery six times were for the 6/49 lottery not Powerball, which was merely 3 times in a row.
Also on page 100 of this “Gambling and Crime” when doing a Google Scholar search they have it estimated at winning 3 powerballs in three consequetive days for potripper alone. And Mike makes potripper look like an actual fish so don’t be quick to just discredit someone as uninformed, Mike’s winrate is several standard deviations beyond Potripper. I’m not going to post something without actually having read it somewhere.
I would like to see where you draw your assumptions that people posting statistical anomalies must not know what they are talking about. Please post.
So, no you have no calculations? What was Mike's standard deviation? Pot rippers?
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