Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

News, Views, and Gossip For poker news, views and gossip.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-03-2019, 12:29 AM   #1526
DevoGKT
centurion
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 162
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by milespro View Post
Regarding Justin's responsibilities I can't say for certain, but I work on production sets and there are several positions that often are just "there". Particularly Production management or leads. Once they have everything in place they more or less are just monitoring to make sure things go well.



Maybe he has other cardroom duties but I think its highly possible he has liberal free time and discretion to pull this off.


Exactly if this live stream is his baby maybe while it’s going on it’s all he does. Especially if he’s involved in it..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
DevoGKT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:29 AM   #1527
HarryKane09
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 125
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grind On My Mind View Post
So justin wanted the room to grow so he promotes and helps cheat with a player in the room? Im just not buying it. Doesnt make much logical sense to me, too much risk involved. I mean its possible if he is getting a big cut. How would Justin consistently relay info to Postle? Surely he has other responsibilities while working.

I think its more of a lone wolf cheat imo.
If they used a teamviewer type programme, it wouldn't have needed much involvement from him.

The headphones, yes more but still possible. Could have been a third party off site who was given the teamviewer access who then relayed the info to Mike.

Estimates have been from 150-250k. If he's getting 35-50% of that, then its probably doubling his salary. And the guy basically brags about his new Tesla every 2 minutes.

I think the whole bigging up of Postle was so that they could get bigger games/more action so they could do 15k+ avg sessions rather than 5k ones. Of course they didn't think it thru that the more well known players would attract more scrutiny, as well as Veronica being brave to come forward.
HarryKane09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:31 AM   #1528
Grind On My Mind
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 325
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

This is a tournament that was live streamed from april 29th 2019. Its a $200 15k guaranteed 6 max tournament, he got 3rd place according to hendon mob. Look if his mannerisms are different from cash or see if he may be doing the head bob.
Does he use 2 hands during this donkament? Or is his left hand in his lap like the cash games...

Also guess who is in the youtube chat... you guessed it JRK aka Justin

https://youtu.be/afQ4R2qQWB8

Last edited by Grind On My Mind; 10-03-2019 at 12:47 AM.
Grind On My Mind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:33 AM   #1529
DonWon
journeyman
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 384
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If the police can get Guyger's text messages, I'm sure they can catch these two idiots discussing this in text messages. Phone companies have to keep data for a certain period now.
DonWon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:41 AM   #1530
datwizz
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 195
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The other crazy thing on that 89 hand where the card switches is that T Bone only had like $750 left in a $5k pot.

Probably explains why mike took so long to decide if he should jam. That raise by T Bone is essentially an all in so Mike has to come of with a reason as to why he would jam there and his explanation was I had the nuts obviuialy.

What a pos this guy is.

Last edited by datwizz; 10-03-2019 at 12:46 AM. Reason: Nuts
datwizz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:43 AM   #1531
XcrazylegsX
stranger
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 13
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

First off I want to say that I have not been reading up on this thread in the past few hours, so if anyone has already noted any of these points, I apologize for the redundancy and for not giving them credit.


I was very curious when someone posted Mike's monthly results for 2019 and his only losing month was June. Another thing that peaked my interest was people noting that Stones TD Justin Kuraitis was in Vegas in June. So I decided to do some more research into this and see if there was correlation in the timeline of Mike's poor results in June and Justin being in Vegas in June.


Justin Kuraitis:
Scrolling through Justin's twitter timeline, it looks like he was in Vegas from approximately May 28 through July 12. I'm sure someone can verify the exact dates. I've posted the links to his first and last tweets from Vegas that are stamped "from Nevada".

Justin in Vegas May 28 - July 12
-https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/status/1133501942628380672
-https://twitter.com/JFKPokerTD/status/1149867365028380672


Mike Postle:
All of Mike's sessions from May 20 - July 20 are listed below. I have determined based on watching the hands which sessions he is cheating and which sessions he is not. I am an experienced player and consider myself qualified to make these determinations, but I have posted links to spots I believe indicate cheating or not cheating so you can take a look at them for yourself. A couple of things I noticed about Mike's appearance that differ when he is cheating vs when he is not cheating. When he is cheating, he is always wearing his hat forward and his phone is in his lap. However, when he is not cheating, he is either not wearing a hat or he is wearing his hat backward and his phone is not always in his lap.

Mike cheating May 20 (wearing hat forward):
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=2777
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=6239
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=7525
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=8011
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=8203
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=12043
-https://youtu.be/ZQuQPmjV8z8?t=13694 (This hand is amazing - RFID doesn't pick up opponent's cards until right after hand)

Mike not cheating June 1 (NO HAT):
-https://youtu.be/8lwIMGA1q64?t=1349
-https://youtu.be/8lwIMGA1q64?t=4322

Mike not cheating June 3 (wearing hat backward):
-https://youtu.be/SWgp-1UhSl8?t=9857
-https://youtu.be/SWgp-1UhSl8?t=12882


Mike not cheating June 15 (wearing hat backward):
-https://youtu.be/x7QrK6wYz0w?t=1425
-https://youtu.be/x7QrK6wYz0w?t=4243

Mike not cheating June 17 (wearing hat backward):
-https://youtu.be/iajF2_mLyts?t=4629
-https://youtu.be/iajF2_mLyts?t=6302

Mike not cheating July 8 (wearing hat backward):
-https://youtu.be/n2HMF2q6UXE?t=1924
-https://youtu.be/n2HMF2q6UXE?t=2635

Mike cheating July 20 (wearing hat forward):
-https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk?t=8450
-https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk?t=9456
-https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk?t=11081
-https://youtu.be/uQujzYc-lrk?t=11521


Based on this timeline, I have come to the conclusion that Mike does not cheat when Justin is not around. Coincidence? Definitely possible. But this needs to be more thoroughly investigated.

Hopefully everyone involved in this scheme will be brought to justice and we can figure out exactly how this was done so we can prevent it from ever happening again.
XcrazylegsX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:48 AM   #1532
Duffman08
adept
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: cloud
Posts: 843
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK View Post
It has been correlated that when his cap had padding he wasn't looking down at his phone all the time. In other words, with the stuff now coming in via bone conducting Bluetooth, there was no need cheat with the phone. Al
if he was in fact using an audio device in his cap...he was still likely having information delivered to his phone as well for a number of reasons: if they weren't enforcing phone rules it's way easier to process hole card information visually, if the room was noisy / distracting he could take quick glances at phone to verify the audio, if people are hanging out around his chair stick to the audio only obviously. Having both sources almost guarantees he'll be aware of the holdings nearly every hand.

Also with the potential cap piece, it could easily be configured to turn off/on with light pressure right? My current headphones if I barely brush this pressure sensor with my arm they immediately toggle off.
Duffman08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 12:54 AM   #1533
wiiziwiig
old hand
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,407
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Videopro View Post
He may be wrong here. Why cant the RFID reader pick up a better/another read and report as such? After initially getting a faulty read, the cards are better positioned to be picked up a few seconds later and the graphic corrects itself.
Its like scanning a barcode. Either it correctly scans your rice krispies correctly or it reads nothing. If for some reason its labelled wrong as skittles, then it will always scan skittles.
wiiziwiig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:01 AM   #1534
gotgot123
old hand
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,847
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

This is somewhat wrong. Can't remember who said it on Twitter but someone played on this show and it got their whole cards wrong in a hand. In the same hand the graphics was showing two J diamonds. One on the flop and one in God's hand

So they do misread
gotgot123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:01 AM   #1535
SuitedJunk
veteran
 
SuitedJunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,682
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Do we know if his "phone" is "plugged in?"

You know how many of the newer poker tables have USB power plugs? Well, what if the "table" at stones had a USB that you could plug in to tap into the RFID and ran that on his device?
SuitedJunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:03 AM   #1536
wiiziwiig
old hand
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,407
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

wiiziwiig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:04 AM   #1537
kep
Pooh-Bah
 
kep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,671
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gotgot123 View Post
This is somewhat wrong. Can't remember who said it on Twitter but someone played on this show and it got their whole cards wrong in a hand. In the same hand the graphics was showing two J diamonds. One on the flop and one in God's hand

So they do misread
When the graphics misread don't they normally (on non cheating streams) misread for everybody.
kep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:10 AM   #1538
wiiziwiig
old hand
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,407
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gotgot123 View Post
This is somewhat wrong. Can't remember who said it on Twitter but someone played on this show and it got their whole cards wrong in a hand. In the same hand the graphics was showing two J diamonds. One on the flop and one in God's hand

So they do misread
Its impossible to misread, its just reading some 1s and 0s on a card, like a barcode. It is only possible that the registered number associated to the card is incorrect, but would continue to misread unless fixed. It would be great if you could reproduce this hand as there could be more ****ery going on here.
wiiziwiig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:17 AM   #1539
AceHighIsGood
centurion
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 163
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

It's more likely that it's reading the wrong card than that it's misreading. When are the cards read? When they are dealt? Or when they are in front of the players?
AceHighIsGood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:19 AM   #1540
Grind On My Mind
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 325
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Just in joeys stream last night we saw the flop contain an ace of spades and a player had an ace of spades. It wasnt until the river that the graphics were fixed...
Grind On My Mind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:20 AM   #1541
gotgot123
old hand
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,847
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Sounds like youre all right. Sounds like was a hand malfuncton and everybody hands were wrong

gotgot123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:20 AM   #1542
DK Barrel
Concept of the Week author
 
DK Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: no gamble, no future
Posts: 6,798
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman109 View Post
That doesn't matter, whatever those phones have done has all been recorded - every single thing is trackable, LE/etc doesn't need the physical phones once they start digging into a suspect/subject. I'm sure you're correct, they've likely done that and more, but I repeat, it won't matter, there is always, always a trackable way to recover everything you've ever done on a phone/pc/system/etc, especially if it's a program or app that's communicating in any way.

The public pressure over this is just going to keep increasing if Stones doesn't take responsibility and act. That plus if Postle has the balls to show his face and play, he knows he'll be under a microscope and have to play straight, and then we'll see him fall on his face and his impossible wr and other stats will plummet, making him look even more guilty. If Postle hides and doesn't play, that always says something, so either way he's in a pretty hard to escape corner IMO.
If it's text messages, those are stored by the carrier. If it's DMs through an app, those are stored by the app. Law enforcement are just sending subpoenas, not performing techno-voodoo. (yes digital forensics are a thing but you're talking about scenarios where they do not have access to the device used)

If Postle was smart enough to use a messenger with end-to-end encryption such as Telegram, then there are no records to subpoena. You'd assume he would be, but then again nobody ever expects to get caught, and I would not be surprised if there are incriminating records.
DK Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:21 AM   #1543
YeahYou
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 4,297
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I don’t know anything about RFID so someone correct me if I’m wrong. To my knowledge the reason for this is the board and player both having jack of diamonds can happen because the card could go over the scanner for the flop and the players hole cards as the dealer deals. The card being shown as a different card cannot happen under any circumstances.
YeahYou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:29 AM   #1544
milespro
centurion
 
milespro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: California
Posts: 187
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Random thought is it possible he got the twitch stream key and watched from the dashboard on his phone? Any streamers know if that would show no delayed stream?
milespro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:30 AM   #1545
DonWon
journeyman
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 384
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

So it has been said Justin was commentating on the live stream, not the delayed stream like some other productions do?

That would be easy to cheat with an earpiece and speak-to-text..
DonWon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:35 AM   #1546
DevoGKT
centurion
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 162
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by YeahYou View Post
I don’t know anything about RFID so someone correct me if I’m wrong. To my knowledge the reason for this is the board and player both having jack of diamonds can happen because the card could go over the scanner for the flop and the players hole cards as the dealer deals. The card being shown as a different card cannot happen under any circumstances.


Just quoting this for emphasis


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
DevoGKT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:37 AM   #1547
DevoGKT
centurion
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 162
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by milespro View Post
Random thought is it possible he got the twitch stream key and watched from the dashboard on his phone? Any streamers know if that would show no delayed stream?


Ooo I’m kind of annoyed I didn’t think of this. I have streamed for over 2k hours and this didn’t cross my mind.

Correct if he’s in the dashboard he can watch it live with out the delay


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
DevoGKT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:39 AM   #1548
gotgot123
old hand
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,847
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevoGKT View Post
Ooo I’m kind of annoyed I didn’t think of this. I have streamed for over 2k hours and this didn’t cross my mind.

Correct if he’s in the dashboard he can watch it live with out the delay


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
which means it doesnt even need to be anyone at the building to help him right? he can just give the details to his buddy at home whos whatsapping him constantly or using the cap device.

He was in production before so its likely he knows the details
gotgot123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:40 AM   #1549
SuitedJunk
veteran
 
SuitedJunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,682
re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

he would have the twitch key or what ever the OBS Studio key is...

Essentially if you figured out someones key, you could watch anytime, kinda like that streamer who put his URL up for a second...

If he is setting up the stream he probably even generated the key.
SuitedJunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 01:44 AM   #1550
DevoGKT
centurion
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 162
Mike postle cheating allegations

Quote:
Originally Posted by gotgot123 View Post
which means it doesnt even need to be anyone at the building to help him right? he can just give the details to his buddy at home whos whatsapping him constantly or using the cap device.

He was in production before so its likely he knows the details


Exactly. If he has twitch key no one would need to relay anything to him if he himself is watching that feed. If someone else is watching at home then they could be sending him info via his skull thing or phone text if he was afraid to watch it on his phone himself


Also maybe this is going mainstream. Ryen Rusillo just tweeted Haralbob and Joey how fascinating it was to watch this unfold. So who knows


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
DevoGKT is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive