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Old 09-30-2019, 06:15 PM   #126
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cant believe someone would go through 14 hours of live footage, to try and find out if some whale is cheating. are you ok joey?

he would have to have installed a remote access tool on the computer doing the live overlay, and have a buddy relaying the info. has he ever been in the booth? could quickly plug in a usb stick. does he have a compute background?

rfid transmits a max of 18 inches, maybe somethings possible there too, unlikely

hes not making any tragic mistakes, like folding full house vs full house, calling with ten high.


He’s never lost on stream. NEVER. EVER. NEVER. LOST.

For a year.

He has easily won $150,000 so far playing $5/5 or $1/3 !!! He won $17,000 the night Berkey and Marle played with higher limits. He’s won $7-10k many sessions, if not most

I’ve watched just about all the streams in 2019 because I thought he was an unbelievable player and I wanted to learn from him. But there’s no way anyone could play like Postle.

I still hope he is innocent. But I’m starting too have doubts now.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:16 PM   #127
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If we assume Mike knows he’s beat, then he would know he’s drawing dead on the turn, so why would he not simply check-fold turn? He would also know if he shoves river he gets called, so why would he burn $280 needlessly?
Well, we don't know the technicalities of his cheating, if he is cheating. Maybe he's not always relayed information and wasn't told the hand until the river in this case. The way previous hands have played out preflop makes this unlikely, though.

I think a more reasonable and likely scenario is best answered by continuing down your line of questioning, actually: If he knows he is beat preflop, why not just open-muck the 88? Well, he can't. It's too obvious. So he raises it. And he's not gonna check fold 88 on a 994 flop. Sure, he could try to check down, but a reasonable line is to just betbet small and then give up rivers. His turn bet is really small, for example. Then he ends up making an unplanned boat on the river and suddenly he basically has the nuts (when he probably in his mind had planned to not put any more into the hand). So he check/calls, amazingly, and absolutely loses the minimum he can after getting himself into that spot.

A bit long by me, but I hope it doesn't read too rambly and makes sense. I think it's a very likely scenario to explain the hand.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:18 PM   #128
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they say he had 87 a bit after the hand is done. Shortly after the next hand.

not sure if someone mentionned this before ,but obv makes a huge difference.
It's been mentioned that Mike claims he had 87 in the 88 hand and 66 in the 96 hand.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:22 PM   #129
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Someone replied to the Stones tweet saying that across 30+ sessions, Mike has never recorded a loss. (I presume the tweeter is referring to live streams.)

Have you recorded win/loss stats Joey?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:22 PM   #130
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It's been mentioned that Mike claims he had 87 in the 88 hand and 66 in the 96 hand.
And what about the AA vs KK hand? did he really have KQs?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:22 PM   #131
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For someone who claims to be blessed with a gift for instinct and human behaviour, he sure spends a lot of time just looking at his crotch phone, both pre-flop and right after the flop.


He needs to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:28 PM   #132
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And what about the AA vs KK hand? did he really have KQs?
Probably
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:35 PM   #133
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I mean, tbh this **** is stupid. Everyone just watch the tirade of clips joey put up. THIS DUDE'S LINES ARE BIZZARE AND HE IS NEVER WRONG.

Either he's taking the most OOL lines every hand and, by chance, is always right. Like the flipping a coin 30 times in a row and getting heads every time can still happen, or he's superusing. It really is that simple. One in a billion billions luck, or super user. This isn't skill or lol_live_reads.

I mean he's doing this kind of **** AND IS NEVER. EVER. WRONG when he does it. Come on. He's not even smart about the cheating. Just ***** fold to the river bet and save face instead of having to win every $$$ there is:





Totally +EV line:

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Old 09-30-2019, 06:35 PM   #134
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If RFID was ever wrong, surely it would just show an unknown card (as if it hadn't been read at all)?

I understood RFID codes were like 50 or 100 digits long, so why would a different, supposedly "wrong", card show instead?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:36 PM   #135
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I live in the Sacramento area and have played with Postle for the past couple years, with the vast majority of play being on the StonesLive games. The reason that it's been that venue is simple, despite being a massive winner and being on a heater for the past year, Postle really only plays 1-3 times a week on the stream games.

That is to say, despite playing full-time professionally, he eschews similar size or bigger games against the same player pool that have run at other cardrooms the other nights of the week. We don't see him in the bigger games around town, but surprisingly he plays in the $10 $25 $50 stream game on Sept 21 for 5-10x the stakes and unsurprisingly wins 20k.

In all the time that we've played and all the streams I've watched, he bobs and weaves and has near flawless timing to fold correctly when beat or badly behind, call correctly, value bet razor thin against weaker hands, bluff when his opponents are weak, and rebluff when his opponents are bluffing. I think it's also worth noting that he almost always racks up when the stream ends.

While reviewing all the hands will be circumstantial, as is my anecdotal contribution here, I think it's worth mentioning that finding a random hand where he makes a mistake (and they are hard to find) shouldn't immediately invalidate suspicion because any smart cheater would want to throw people off his scent. Similarly, his tournament success and the fact that he is a smart and capable poker player off the livestream shouldn't eliminate the possibility that something is amiss.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:40 PM   #136
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If RFID was ever wrong, surely it would just show an unknown card (as if it hadn't been read at all)?

I understood RFID codes were like 50 or 100 digits long, so why would a different, supposedly "wrong", card show instead?

I always think the same thing. But the wrong card being displayed happens so often on so many other streams there must be some bug.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:43 PM   #137
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Maybe should make a new rule that can’t be on phone while you have cards, if u do auto muck , aslo, lock him up!
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:46 PM   #138
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Maybe should make a new rule that can’t be on phone while you have cards, if u do auto muck , aslo, lock him up!

Naked poker inside a cage seems like the only solution to me.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:48 PM   #139
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Naked poker inside a cage seems like the only solution to me.
I think we would see the nuts too often
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:49 PM   #140
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I don't know if you meant physically "bobbing and weaving" but he seems a little off/spazzy during these big spots. I would expect a super perceptive live pro crusher type of player to look a little more comfortable, or just move less to avoid giving off any information. We can't really hear the table talk though, and it's just my NVG tard speculation.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:49 PM   #141
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I live in the Sacramento area and have played with Postle for the past couple years, with the vast majority of play being on the StonesLive games. The reason that it's been that venue is simple, despite being a massive winner and being on a heater for the past year, Postle really only plays 1-3 times a week on the stream games.

That is to say, despite playing full-time professionally, he eschews similar size or bigger games against the same player pool that have run at other cardrooms the other nights of the week. We don't see him in the bigger games around town, but surprisingly he plays in the $10 $25 $50 stream game on Sept 21 for 5-10x the stakes and unsurprisingly wins 20k.

In all the time that we've played and all the streams I've watched, he bobs and weaves and has near flawless timing to fold correctly when beat or badly behind, call correctly, value bet razor thin against weaker hands, bluff when his opponents are weak, and rebluff when his opponents are bluffing. I think it's also worth noting that he almost always racks up when the stream ends.

While reviewing all the hands will be circumstantial, as is my anecdotal contribution here, I think it's worth mentioning that finding a random hand where he makes a mistake (and they are hard to find) shouldn't immediately invalidate suspicion because any smart cheater would want to throw people off his scent. Similarly, his tournament success and the fact that he is a smart and capable poker player off the livestream shouldn't eliminate the possibility that something is amiss.

I agree with that last paragraph/sentence, but having played with him before, i found a few hands where he is on the losing vs me and others. In this sng for example:

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Old 09-30-2019, 06:50 PM   #142
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Not a good response.
Must admit, i hate egotistical people too, Mike

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Old 09-30-2019, 06:55 PM   #143
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I live in the Sacramento area and have played with Postle for the past couple years, with the vast majority of play being on the StonesLive games. The reason that it's been that venue is simple, despite being a massive winner and being on a heater for the past year, Postle really only plays 1-3 times a week on the stream games.

That is to say, despite playing full-time professionally, he eschews similar size or bigger games against the same player pool that have run at other cardrooms the other nights of the week. We don't see him in the bigger games around town, but surprisingly he plays in the $10 $25 $50 stream game on Sept 21 for 5-10x the stakes and unsurprisingly wins 20k.

In all the time that we've played and all the streams I've watched, he bobs and weaves and has near flawless timing to fold correctly when beat or badly behind, call correctly, value bet razor thin against weaker hands, bluff when his opponents are weak, and rebluff when his opponents are bluffing. I think it's also worth noting that he almost always racks up when the stream ends.

While reviewing all the hands will be circumstantial, as is my anecdotal contribution here, I think it's worth mentioning that finding a random hand where he makes a mistake (and they are hard to find) shouldn't immediately invalidate suspicion because any smart cheater would want to throw people off his scent. Similarly, his tournament success and the fact that he is a smart and capable poker player off the livestream shouldn't eliminate the possibility that something is amiss.
He only plays in the streamed games.

He picks up when the streams end.

He plays amazingly in the streams, seemingly never wrong when he makes his amazing soul reads, never jamming into the nuts, always bluffing when villains with uncapped ranges happen to be at the bottom of those ranges.

I am told by people who have been playing close attention that he has taken something on the order of half a million dollars out of these streamed games, running at something like 220 bb/100. (Yes, these games are uncapped with players being very deep, but still.)

How red do these red flags have to be???
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:55 PM   #144
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hey guys he's just really really good at picking up on betting patterns



where are the hundreds of players who can verify? Have we heard from one?

Also interested in online results. Anyone knwo Screen names / sites hes played at?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:59 PM   #145
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half million!? can anyone else confirm this number! i was thinking like 150k

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He only plays in the streamed games.

He picks up when the streams end.

He plays amazingly in the streams, seemingly never wrong when he makes his amazing soul reads, never jamming into the nuts, always bluffing when villains with uncapped ranges happen to be at the bottom of those ranges.

I am told by people who have been playing close attention that he has taken something on the order of half a million dollars out of these streamed games, running at something like 220 bb/100. (Yes, these games are uncapped with players being very deep, but still.)

How red do these red flags have to be???
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:13 PM   #146
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:14 PM   #147
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half million!? can anyone else confirm this number! i was thinking like 150k
I’ve watched most streams. It’s nothing for him to win $7-10k in a session. He’s good.

Hell, I’ve even seen The Goat Garrett lose some hands and occasionally a session on LATB. Can’t say the same for Postle.
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:16 PM   #148
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I'm not a hold'em reg (PLO yayo) but this fold seems pretty good to me



Again, I reiterate, I have yet to see him make a bluff in the wrong spot or hero fold wrongly. And people have flipped through dozens and dozens of hours of play by now. At least I haven't seen it. All I keep seeing is someone playing like they know the other guys exact cards, all the time.
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:22 PM   #149
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The RFID reader in that hand was incorrect and he actually had trips no kicker.
How would anyone know this? He quickly mucks his cards after calling the river. Also seems convenient that the rfid shows 88 and apparently he doesn’t even have an 8 in his hand (if he has trips he can’t have 89). So the rfid would have had to read both of his cards incorrectly
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:28 PM   #150
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Naked poker inside a cage seems like the only solution to me.
RFID in the anus.

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Call in Phil Ivey and his Asian friend in.

They would get to the bottom of this in a minute!
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