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Old 10-02-2019, 05:54 PM   #1326
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If either of them have half a brain (and that is not sarcasm, its a legitimate if), both their phones are smashed and far down a river at this point.
That doesn't matter, whatever those phones have done has all been recorded - every single thing is trackable, LE/etc doesn't need the physical phones once they start digging into a suspect/subject. I'm sure you're correct, they've likely done that and more, but I repeat, it won't matter, there is always, always a trackable way to recover everything you've ever done on a phone/pc/system/etc, especially if it's a program or app that's communicating in any way.

The public pressure over this is just going to keep increasing if Stones doesn't take responsibility and act. That plus if Postle has the balls to show his face and play, he knows he'll be under a microscope and have to play straight, and then we'll see him fall on his face and his impossible wr and other stats will plummet, making him look even more guilty. If Postle hides and doesn't play, that always says something, so either way he's in a pretty hard to escape corner IMO.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:55 PM   #1327
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No one was ever curious what’s in the hat !?!?!!
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:57 PM   #1328
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No one was ever curious what’s in the hat !?!?!!
Its his dream machine man, nothing to worry about.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:57 PM   #1329
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:58 PM   #1330
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What could be going on with that hat?
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:58 PM   #1331
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If either of them have half a brain (and that is not sarcasm, its a legitimate if), both their phones are smashed and far down a river at this point.
would need law enforcement to get records from service providers im guessing?
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:59 PM   #1332
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signaling device obviously.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:02 PM   #1333
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someone explain to me why the 77 hand is suspect? He turns a set, river is sorta scary, so he lets the other guy bluff hearts, and he calls. What am I missing.

The other hands are ridiculous, obviously.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:04 PM   #1334
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cuz he can't realistically fold the third nuts on a livestream without arousing suspicion from all the players.

Same reason he doesn't fold KK to AA preflop until after he puts in a re-raise and gets re-raised back.
Oh. Duh.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:07 PM   #1335
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The villain in the hand 3bet preflop so it should be more weighted towards overpairs than missed draws. Checking the river with 6.5k in the pot with 3k left behind makes less sense as QQ+ checks behind for most players there.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:12 PM   #1336
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This reminds me of that story in Freakonomics about catching teachers and sumo wrestlers who cheat.

To sum up: In sumo, you yearly have 15 matches in some sort of tournament. Win 8 of them and you increase in rank, which carries a lot of privileges. So - something hinky was going on with the 15th matches of a lot of sumo wrestlers.

That is - whenever a matchup was between a sumo wrestler with *exactly 7 matches won* and the opponent had 8 or more matches already won - the player with exactly 7 matches was *much, much more likely* to win the match than common sense would dictate among equally skilled and ranked players.

In short - what was happening was that the player who was already secured a rank was throwing the match so that the opponent could advance in rank. It was impossible to prove that *any one match* was fixed, but it was possible to prove, statistically, that *there must have been matches that were fixed.* .

Follow me so far?

What is going on is that there is no damning evidence that Postle cheated on *any particular hand.* Even that 54o hand or the 88/TT hand I can put on a 'sick read' in isolation. But, like the sumo wrestlers, over many, many hands, we can see that *something* must have been going on in *at least some of the hands.*

In other words, I think that it is *unreasonable* to think that Postle is *that good* and *that lucky*.

Someone's going to have to start combing through *every single hand he played* and start making some spreadsheets and getting some R analysis done. Hell, if I was going for a statistics PHD, this would be one hell of a paper.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:15 PM   #1337
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There’s many of us who occasionally watch the stream while we are playing. It hasn’t been allowed for some time now, but a lot of us playing did so and did often. And other players can confirm this.

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On top of that, I’m an agent with multiple players on a poker app. Constantly loading/withdrawing/transferring and coaching a few players. Again, some players sitting next to me can confirm this before the cell phone use was banned.
https://twitter.com/Mike_Postle/stat...863080960?s=20


I found these tweets interesting, he says that cell phone use was banned at some point. I'm curious when that happened and why.
Another smoking gun which points to culpability. If you care to check my last post I said there should be an electronic trail of him profit sharing. Sounds to me like he is covering his tracks and using this as an alibi..
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:24 PM   #1338
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There’s many of us who occasionally watch the stream while we are playing. It hasn’t been allowed for some time now, but a lot of us playing did so and did often. And other players can confirm this.

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On top of that, I’m an agent with multiple players on a poker app. Constantly loading/withdrawing/transferring and coaching a few players. Again, some players sitting next to me can confirm this before the cell phone use was banned.
https://twitter.com/Mike_Postle/stat...863080960?s=20


I found these tweets interesting, he says that cell phone use was banned at some point. I'm curious when that happened and why.
Actually if I was Mike and I was looking for a way to embezzle that money to my accomplice. That Poker App is exactly how I would do it. Its such a weird and unnecessary piece of info he seems to need to clarify that there must be some reason he is mentioning it. And so now the question is, do we know any players (locals in Stones?) that are on this poker app with Mike that he's an agent of.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:28 PM   #1339
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I never thought I'd use these words in a poker forum, but the phrase of the hour is Bluetooth bone conduction speakers.
It would appear that on the streams where he's not constantly staring at his crotch at the start of each hand (e.g. when he put his phone and keys on the rail), he sometimes wore a listening device under his baseball cap. To cheat with one of those, he definitely needs an accomplice to whisper sweet holecard details into his skull.
Bluetooth bone conductors! Live poker in 2019, folks. :/
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:30 PM   #1340
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someone explain to me why the 77 hand is suspect? He turns a set, river is sorta scary, so he lets the other guy bluff hearts, and he calls. What am I missing.

The other hands are ridiculous, obviously.
For mine it's how many times he checks his hole cards.

I'm lucky if I play twice a month but if I have 77, I might look at my cards 2-3 times during a hand, maybe 4-5 if you are making it look like you are double checking for a flush.
But to check 77 soooo many times!!!
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:30 PM   #1341
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I never thought I'd use these words in a poker forum, but the phrase of the hour is Bluetooth bone conduction speakers.
It would appear that on the streams where he's not constantly staring at his crotch at the start of each hand (e.g. when he put his phone and keys on the rail), he sometimes wore a listening device under his baseball cap. To cheat with one of those, he definitely needs an accomplice to whisper sweet holecard details into his skull.
Bluetooth bone conductors! Live poker in 2019, folks. :/
I'll say it once, I'll say it again. Never Ever F*ck with the Internet.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:30 PM   #1342
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I never thought I'd use these words in a poker forum, but the phrase of the hour is Bluetooth bone conduction speakers.
It would appear that on the streams where he's not constantly staring at his crotch at the start of each hand (e.g. when he put his phone and keys on the rail), he sometimes wore a listening device under his baseball cap. To cheat with one of those, he definitely needs an accomplice to whisper sweet holecard details into his skull.
Bluetooth bone conductors! Live poker in 2019, folks. :/
The jig is up
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:31 PM   #1343
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Where is the video of him folding KK to AA pre? People keep mentioning it.

I saw on JSmitty's spreadsheet that he folded AK to AA pre on 4/30. (it was actually KK not AA)
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:34 PM   #1344
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This reminds me of that story in Freakonomics about catching teachers and sumo wrestlers who cheat.



To sum up: In sumo, you yearly have 15 matches in some sort of tournament. Win 8 of them and you increase in rank, which carries a lot of privileges. So - something hinky was going on with the 15th matches of a lot of sumo wrestlers.



That is - whenever a matchup was between a sumo wrestler with *exactly 7 matches won* and the opponent had 8 or more matches already won - the player with exactly 7 matches was *much, much more likely* to win the match than common sense would dictate among equally skilled and ranked players.



In short - what was happening was that the player who was already secured a rank was throwing the match so that the opponent could advance in rank. It was impossible to prove that *any one match* was fixed, but it was possible to prove, statistically, that *there must have been matches that were fixed.* .



Follow me so far?



What is going on is that there is no damning evidence that Postle cheated on *any particular hand.* Even that 54o hand or the 88/TT hand I can put on a 'sick read' in isolation. But, like the sumo wrestlers, over many, many hands, we can see that *something* must have been going on in *at least some of the hands.*



In other words, I think that it is *unreasonable* to think that Postle is *that good* and *that lucky*.



Someone's going to have to start combing through *every single hand he played* and start making some spreadsheets and getting some R analysis done. Hell, if I was going for a statistics PHD, this would be one hell of a paper.
Economist here. If I recall correctly these papers are able to identify fishy things going on *overall* but not pinning things on a specific individual. It isn't possible to clearly identify which sumo wrestlers (if any) were throwing matches vs those that legitimately lost
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:34 PM   #1345
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Thanks parisron, was just coming to post this.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:36 PM   #1346
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someone explain to me why the 77 hand is suspect? He turns a set, river is sorta scary, so he lets the other guy bluff hearts, and he calls. What am I missing.



The other hands are ridiculous, obviously.


When I watched that hand, which takes place I think like an hour into a stream, i was in disbelief as hand after hand he makes these perfect spot on plays, one after the other, and it’s like a crescendo that occurs on that 77 hand and I’m like **** this guy, that’s it. It’s not the one hand. In fact, it’s not any one hand. But watched in its place in the stream in entirety, it’s absolutely ridiculous. (And because in another stream he folds the 88 boat to a river bet - he just always makes the perfect play).
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:39 PM   #1347
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Has anyone contacted the California Gaming Commission?
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:43 PM   #1348
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Mike Postle was here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIs5hOd8Wpg
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:48 PM   #1349
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Theory that he did not act alone just received a HUGE boost in the theory power rankings
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:49 PM   #1350
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Economist here. If I recall correctly these papers are able to identify fishy things going on *overall* but not pinning things on a specific individual. It isn't possible to clearly identify which sumo wrestlers (if any) were throwing matches vs those that legitimately lost
Exactly. You couldn't prove *any one Sumo wrestler threw a match* but you can prove that *some sumo wrestlers threw matches.*

Similarly, I can't conclude that *any one hand Postle played was cheating*, but I can conclude, statistically, that Postle had to have been cheating on *some hands he played*.
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