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Old 06-15-2021, 07:13 PM   #13001
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Any lawyers here? I feel like to actually be incarcerated for domestic violence 3 separate times and still acquire custody of your children in court as a man this woman has to have been determined legally insane at some point no?
Am a lawyer (no idea where they are) but it's pretty difficult to pick and choose things in a vacuum to decide what a judge was thinking in a given situation. There are so many missing facts that all I can say here is "it depends."
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Old 06-15-2021, 07:20 PM   #13002
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She said went to jail. Could have been a quick booking, no conviction.

Also I have seen in this thread that she may have a criminal record herself: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post980514
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Old 06-15-2021, 07:26 PM   #13003
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It would be very hard, but I mention that just to illustrate my point. If Postle lied to his attorney, it would make any malpractice claim incredibly tough, unless said lies were entirely irrelevant or immaterial. But odds are, he and his lawyers didn't talk about irrelevant things, and so I'm going to guess that if he lied during his conversations with his attorneys, it was over material and key facts that would make any malpractice claim very, very tough to win.
Look we don't disagree dude messed up. I just wish when they settled the casino had thrown open the books since the lawyer was apparently able to look at some data but no one saying it would help their case seems the least bit interested in knowing what what found.
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Old 06-15-2021, 08:52 PM   #13004
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

For starters, thanks to Chris Moneymaker for responding.

I also think Johnson might have simply misunderstood the question. Consider the actual question:

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BRILL (at 18:39): Do you know who his current friends are, that potentially helped him with this cheating?
Johnson says she would have to look at her phone, but mentions two specific people: Moneymaker and Evert Caldwell. It's certainly fair to say that Caldwell attempted to help Postle restore his image, since Caldwell authored a couple of the articles on Rounder Life (which Caldwell co-owns) in the wake of the accusations. But "help him the cheating?" We have no reason to believe Caldwell aided in it. (Unless somehow Evert was remotely collecting the RFID info then sending it back to Postle via his phone or something.)

Soon after, Johnson explains Caldwell's assistance to Postle is to thank him "by trying to back him up on his lies." (I won't attempt to transcribe the entire response, just listen from 19:22 to 19:55.)

Put a pin in that, then reread this:

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He called me the day Veronica broke the story and I went to bat for him as I did not think he was cheating in the games when we played together.
Thus, it's quite possible that Johnson answered the question as if it was only "do you know who his current friends, who helped him?" Not helped him cheat, but helped him by merely being supportive. And the only two people she could name – without otherwise looking through her phone – was the owner and Rounder Life Media and one of the few poker players that even non-poker players have heard of.

I mentioned Veronica's patience in a previous post. Rewatching that interview, this is the kind of thing that made me think of that quality.

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Just putting 1 and 1 together...

She (sabina) claims postle colluded on poker stars
She throws money makers name out during convo
We know moneymaker and postle played on ps
She claims postle would collude by playing at same table as friends (2-3) and talking on phone
Moneymaker admits he has spoken to postle before

So the only logical conclusion is moneymaker may have colluded on ps w postle.
Sorry, I had to clean up the blood that started seeping from my ears. How is that the "only logical conclusion??"

At risk of feeding a troll or getting massively leveled, I'll play along by breaking this down step by step:

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We know moneymaker and postle played on ps
PokerStars was and still is a mammoth site, with literally tens of millions of players registered on there. That both Postle and Moneymaker have played on that site means almost nothing.

If we were talking some weird, obscure site with traffic in the hundreds, AND there were two people known to be close off the felt, AND it was discovered that one of them was cheating, then yes, I might look askance at the other person. But even then, I would not make my "only conclusion" to be that Person B was a colluding confederate.

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She claims postle would collude by playing at same table as friends (2-3) and talking on phone
Sabina isn't even all that sure about that, at least not with respect to his time on PokerStars. If anything, Johnson is unsure about Postle's behavior and even gets some of it conflated with a home game. The PokerStars convo begins at 4:12 of the video, with Brill asking specifically about the accusations starting at 4:38:

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BRILL: What happened... how did he end up not getting reprimanded for cheating on PokerStars?

JOHNSON: It didn't prove anything.

BRILL: Did they review the hands? Did they... like, how did he initially get accused of cheating? What did they do?

JOHNSON: They did go over the hands, but there was nothing that they could say that would solidify, that they could prove that he was cheating. And this... yeah.

BRILL: Did you think he did cheat at that time?

JOHNSON: At that time, I can honestly say that I have no idea.

BRILL: Was he playing poker with his friends, like on the same table online or anything that you know of?

JOHNSON: Uh, we did hold a table game, actually, at our house. But he– I would have to honestly say that he actually lost more than he won, so the numbers to me don't add up... as far as what he's being discussed.

BRILL: No, I mean when he was accused of cheating online, do you know if he was, like, logged on online while his friends were logged on, and they were all playing on the same virtual table?

JOHNSON: Yeah, I would say there would be two or three of them.

BRILL: And they would all communicate while they were playing or–?

JOHNSON: Oh yeah.

BRILL: So, do you think that's... because that's typically how people cheat online. They'll be on the same table and they'll communicate what they have and they just poach the other players. Did he do stuff like that, that you know of?

JOHNSON: Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge.

BRILL: So...

JOHNSON: However, I will tell you that he has very frequently named himself as "the fleecer." And if you know the name of a fleecer, it's a person who scams another person. He takes pride in taking money from other people without them knowing it, and I will tell you as his former wife who lived with him, I have seen it over and over and over and over again, in my different situations. It doesn't matter if it's casino-related or not.
Again, patience.

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Moneymaker admits he has spoken to postle before
Postle has been around the game for the better part of two decades, either as a dealer or as a player. Even if you assume he has only hung around Tunica and the Sacramento area (which you can't), it's fair to say he's made many poker acquaintances throughout the years, with Moneymaker being just one of them.

To run through it again:

Given how many millions of people have played on Stars in addition to Postle and Moneymaker...
Given how many other people Postle has known in the poker community besides Moneymaker...
Given that Postle's ex-wife is unsure if and how Postle cheated on PokerStars...

How is the "only logical conclusion" – your words – that Chris Moneymaker and Mike Postle may have colluded on PokerStars?

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Old 06-15-2021, 10:57 PM   #13005
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Predict Judge's Order For Payment of Veronica Brill's Attorney Fees

Might as well have some fun with this Mike Postle/Veronica Brill anti-SLAPP showdown.

Assuming Veronica's anti-SLAPP motion hearing against MP proceeds on Wednesday June 16th as scheduled, post your prediction/guesstimate for how much (in attorney fees) the judge will order MP to pay. (Veronica's attorney is asking for somewhere in the neighborhood of $78,000.00) Your prediction/guess will be considered correct if it comes within plus or minus $2,000.00 of the actual amount the judge orders Postle to pay.

My guess: $55,000.00
__________________________________________________ ___________

My guess is: The Court finds the costs requested to be reasonable, but finds the fees requested to
be excessive. For example, there are multiple entries totaling 33.5 hours for drafting a
memorandum regarding the initial draft of the anti-SLAPP motion. The Court awards
15 hours at $800 for Mr. Randazza; 25 hours at $450 an hour for Mr. Shepard; and 20
hours of paralegal time at the rate of $175 per hour. In total, the Court awards
$26,783.50 in attorneys’ fees and $961.91 in costs, for a total of $27,745.
Defendant is directed to submit an order for the Court's signature.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:43 PM   #13006
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__________________________________________________ ___________

My guess is: The Court finds the costs requested to be reasonable, but finds the fees requested to
be excessive. For example, there are multiple entries totaling 33.5 hours for drafting a
memorandum regarding the initial draft of the anti-SLAPP motion. The Court awards
15 hours at $800 for Mr. Randazza; 25 hours at $450 an hour for Mr. Shepard; and 20
hours of paralegal time at the rate of $175 per hour. In total, the Court awards
$26,783.50 in attorneys’ fees and $961.91 in costs, for a total of $27,745.
Defendant is directed to submit an order for the Court's signature.
Lol, I used to litigate fee requests in Chapter 11 cases back in my youth. Pretty good guess, I think
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Old 06-16-2021, 01:39 AM   #13007
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Lol, I used to litigate fee requests in Chapter 11 cases back in my youth. Pretty good guess, I think
Amazingly good.

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Tentative ruling up.

Search Dept 53 for 6/16 here - https://services.saccourt.ca.gov/Pub...chByDepartment

Then item 13, page 20 on the pdf

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The Court finds the costs requested to be reasonable, but finds the fees requested to
be excessive. For example, there are multiple entries totaling 33.5 hours for drafting a
memorandum regarding the initial draft of the anti-SLAPP motion. The Court awards
15 hours at $800 for Mr. Randazza; 25 hours at $450 an hour for Mr. Shepard; and 20
hours of paralegal time at the rate of $175 per hour. In total, the Court awards
$26,783.50 in attorneys’ fees and $961.91 in costs, for a total of $27,745.
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__________________________________________________ ___________

My guess is: The Court finds the costs requested to be reasonable, but finds the fees requested to
be excessive. For example, there are multiple entries totaling 33.5 hours for drafting a
memorandum regarding the initial draft of the anti-SLAPP motion. The Court awards
15 hours at $800 for Mr. Randazza; 25 hours at $450 an hour for Mr. Shepard; and 20
hours of paralegal time at the rate of $175 per hour. In total, the Court awards
$26,783.50 in attorneys’ fees and $961.91 in costs, for a total of $27,745.
Defendant is directed to submit an order for the Court's signature.
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:21 AM   #13008
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Will Mike Postle feel shame?
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Old 06-16-2021, 08:31 AM   #13009
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Ftr i wasnt trolling…

Sabina should clarify what she meant when she responded to who helped postle cheat and said evert caldwell and moneymaker.
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Old 06-16-2021, 10:07 AM   #13010
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SaintsFan49 = Biff Tannen from BTTF Part II
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:06 AM   #13011
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Apologies if this is a derail, but does anyone know what came of Justin Kuraitis?
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Old 06-16-2021, 03:14 PM   #13012
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Apologies if this is a derail, but does anyone know what came of Justin Kuraitis?
Not a derail at all, and I did find it interesting that Sabina did NOT cite Kuraitis when Veronica asked for friends who helped Postle cheat. It suggests to me a few possibilities:

1. JFK was not involved in the Stones Live cheating, despite what most of us suspect
2. JFK was involved, but Sabina doesn't know it
3. Sabina misunderstood the "who helped him" question, as I detailed in my long-winded post above.

If you want a few laughs, Justin's footprint is a little weird right now, and it makes me wonder if someone hijacked his name for very low-end poker content:

https://justinkuraitis791087716.wordpress.com/
https://justinkuraitis11.blogspot.com/ AND https://justinkuraitis1.blogspot.com/
https://vimeo.com/user127312637
https://slides.com/justinkuraitis11

The English in each of those sites is so bad that it reminds me of the Silicon Valley character Jian-Yang, who made Chinese knockoffs and fake Amazon review farms. It's as if JFK's name starting showing up on a lot of poker media sites, someone halfway around the world assumed he must have been one of the game's notables, and ran with it from there.
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Old 06-16-2021, 04:18 PM   #13013
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Sabina is not an authority on anything except what Mike Postle is like behind closed doors. Full stop. Stop trying to infer things about the cheating scheme from her interview.
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:33 PM   #13014
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Yeah not sure what the world's most biased source ranting on a podcast was set out to achieve really outside of Brills desperation to keep this story alive and views on her channel. Hilarious that this guy is going full peter falk columbo because of it tho like there's a giant new clue to the unsolved mystery. I like fun conspiracy theories too so I can't blame you if I had to guess the connection is something like Mike helped Moneymaker 'Postle' the 2003 ME and used to drunkenly brag to his wife that he was really responsible for the poker boom. Him taking back a couple hundred thousand felt justified in his mind when he knew he brought in an unthinkable amount of new money to the game by orchestrating the Postlemaker Effect.
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:31 PM   #13015
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So now we've got three pieces of solid evidence:
  • He looks at his phone
  • He wears hats
  • His ex-wife thinks he cheats
Someone call the gaming commission!
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Old 06-17-2021, 02:10 AM   #13016
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Lady sounds and looks half cocked….fk it I’m sold!
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Yeah not sure what the world's most biased source ranting on a podcast was set out to achieve really outside of Brills desperation to keep this story alive and views on her channel. Hilarious that this guy is going full peter falk columbo because of it tho like there's a giant new clue to the unsolved mystery. I like fun conspiracy theories too so I can't blame you if I had to guess the connection is something like Mike helped Moneymaker 'Postle' the 2003 ME and used to drunkenly brag to his wife that he was really responsible for the poker boom. Him taking back a couple hundred thousand felt justified in his mind when he knew he brought in an unthinkable amount of new money to the game by orchestrating the Postlemaker Effect.
I can’t speak for Veronica obviously but I’m going to guess she didn’t realize how much the ex-wife simply “doesn’t have her act together” for lack of a better word.

But yeah, at least IMO and clearly many other people on here agree, there’s almost no substantive value, in terms of poker related or cheating related issues, from anything she says. That she didn’t name JK and did name Moneymaker is worthless, because not only is it likely she is not reliable, even if she was entirely trustworthy and reliable, she’d be simply going off of whatever Postle told her or she overheard. She wasn’t actively participating in his schemes or anything.

And postle strikes me as the type to lie to his wife all the time.

So we have an unreliable, possibly inebriated, woman who has something in her past that led to a court awarding the arrested-for-domestic-violence father full custody of their daughter, who is being interviewed about her knowledge of her ex-husbands cheating/scamming in poker, and her entire knowledge is based on what said ex-husband, who has shown absolutely no qualms about lying to anyone and everyone and likely was not telling her the truth, told her about said activities during their marriage. Oh, and she also didn’t really have a full grasp about what she was being specifically asked.

So yeah. Substantive value = almost zero. About the only value, IMO, was that we learned he has a history of running scams, which makes me think it’s likely he was trying, for a long time, to figure out a way to cheat the live game like he did, and it’s suggestive that he was the one with the idea and whoever was helping him was brought along. Not dispositive. But suggestive. Possibly.

Entertainment value? Decent enough. Her telling of the dental scam was funny.
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Old 06-20-2021, 12:16 AM   #13017
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I like fun conspiracy theories too so I can't blame you if I had to guess the connection is something like Mike helped Moneymaker 'Postle' the 2003 ME and used to drunkenly brag to his wife that he was really responsible for the poker boom. .
nice

And remember... it's the ONLY possible conclusion!
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Old 06-20-2021, 03:14 PM   #13018
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Resorting to wild Moneymaker conspiracy theories is clear evidence that the members of this thread have completely given up their quest to prove Mike Postle's guilt. You can chalk that up as another Postle victory.
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Old 06-20-2021, 05:44 PM   #13019
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Give it up conspiracy theorists. Postle won fair and square!!
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Old 06-21-2021, 01:17 AM   #13020
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I think Veronica is Postle's silent partner and we haven't even seen the end of first act yet. This will be better than Ocean's 11.
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Old 06-21-2021, 04:55 PM   #13021
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Which poker room will be the first to host a Mike Postle meet up game?
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Old 06-21-2021, 06:29 PM   #13022
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Which poker room will be the first to host a Mike Postle meet up game?
Stones.
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Old 06-21-2021, 07:44 PM   #13023
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That's an interesting proposition. Mike Postle should be looking at ways to cash in on his notoriety. Maybe take a page or two out of Jake Paul's playbook.
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Old 06-21-2021, 08:52 PM   #13024
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That's an interesting proposition. Mike Postle should be looking at ways to cash in on his notoriety. Maybe take a page or two out of Jake Paul's playbook.
Why doesn't he just continue to play 2-5 anywhere?
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Old 06-21-2021, 09:25 PM   #13025
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Why doesn't he just continue to play 2-5 anywhere?
he has legal constraints keeping him in California. Same reason why he couldn't go crush the high stakes games in vegas, plus the money doesn't really matter to him anyway. He just likes winning
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