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Old 09-30-2019, 04:43 PM   #101
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Five hands worth considering .....


1.) Mike Postle going crazy postflop with 72o:


2.) Mike Postle going crazy postflop 2:



3.) Mike Postle getting all-in with his 54o (somehow he is ahead against AK and AK):


4.) Mike Postle folding KK preflop when opponent has AA:


5.) Mike Postle losing minimum with 88 on 99xT8 board:




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You are looking at the best player in the world or a cheater. Decide for yourself.
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:44 PM   #102
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Again? What 9x hand did he have then?
I can't find the excerpt but the commentators point it out later.

But just a general thing to keep in mind, if something seems totally bizarre, there is a good chance it's just the card reader. It would be nice if someone who knows the technical setup at Stones could chime in. AFAIK they basically set it all up themselves, which both explains the weird lines but also increases the possibility of cheating. Any real further discussion at this point should be on the technicals and not just fishing for weirdly played hands which prove basically nothing.
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:48 PM   #103
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cant believe someone would go through 14 hours of live footage, to try and find out if some whale is cheating. are you ok joey?

he would have to have installed a remote access tool on the computer doing the live overlay, and have a buddy relaying the info. has he ever been in the booth? could quickly plug in a usb stick. does he have a compute background?

rfid transmits a max of 18 inches, maybe somethings possible there too, unlikely

hes not making any tragic mistakes, like folding full house vs full house, calling with ten high.
It's very easy to fast forward through hands Mike isn't involved in + I'm learning a lot about the game. It's fun to watch this guy crush the game. Some of the most fun poker I've watched in awhile. This guy is very far from a whale, very much the opposite.

He doesn't seem to make mistakes like folding in spots where it would be to obvious, because then it would be to obvious.

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I can't find the excerpt but the commentators point it out later.

But just a general thing to keep in mind, if something seems totally bizarre, there is a good chance it's just the card reader. It would be nice if someone who knows the technical setup at Stones could chime in. AFAIK they basically set it all up themselves, which both explains the weird lines but also increases the possibility of cheating. Any real further discussion at this point should be on the technicals and not just fishing for weirdly played hands which prove basically nothing.
No one is looking to prove anything by pointing out a large sample size of weirdly played hands, it's one piece of the story that will lead to the bigger story at some point in time.

I don't think it's right to call him a cheater because of the HHs posted by myself and others so far, there isn't any proof of that only going off hand histories. There might be something going on but it's impossible to know without more information.

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Old 09-30-2019, 04:52 PM   #104
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ah yes exact same scenario damn u smart, hope 10nl is treating u well
You cheated hundreds of thousands of dollars from regs and fish for years all you got was a slap on the wrist and your probably still cheating on the sites you two can play on. We all know security is a joke on everything but stars and maybe party. Hope you can live with yourself
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:56 PM   #105
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I assume it's the hand here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8Fjro2oJs#t=7m20s

Doesn't seem that weird to me either It's 3/4 pot and he's only ahead of JT. If Marle's a tight player it's an easy fold.

I think it's plausible that someone who plays as recklessly as he does and seems to have the results he does could be cheating, I don't think "he tightens up against tight players" is much proof of anything.
I agree.
Plus he called one street when he was behind.
Even if he is ahead there are a lot of bad river cards he doesnt know what to do.
Plus this board smacks his pre calling range and Marle is still double barreling.
Even his expression to me looks like i know I could be folding the best hand but what can I do. Of course people will say this is a sign he is cheating.


I don't know if he is cheating but I do know if he is cheating he needs to be getting really specific info, more than ahead or behind, because he has raised a few times behind. Without heads phones or an ear piece this seems very unlikely though I admit i didn't check his ears.
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Old 09-30-2019, 04:59 PM   #106
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Don’t they have live commentary? If so, how often have the commentators questioned the way he played a hand? Is there any circumstantial evidence that any commentator is in on the alleged fix?
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:00 PM   #107
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Five hands worth considering .....


1.) Mike Postle going crazy postflop with 72o:


2.) Mike Postle going crazy postflop 2:



3.) Mike Postle getting all-in with his 54o (somehow he is ahead against AK and AK):


4.) Mike Postle folding KK preflop when opponent has AA:


5.) Mike Postle losing minimum with 88 on 99xT8 board:




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Do you have the link to the last hand 88 vs 1010...so I dont have to spend hours searching. thanks if you do.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:01 PM   #108
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Postle posted a bunch of stuff 2- 3 weeks about Tom Brady cheating on Twitter and questioning why they didn’t take Tom’s phone or something. He has since deleted those posts. I wonder why? He’s lurking about.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:03 PM   #109
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Don’t they have live commentary? If so, how often have the commentators questioned the way he played a hand? Is there any circumstantial evidence that any commentator is in on the alleged fix?
It would never be a commentator. They are being filmed and on delayed stream and are almost never the same two people. Theoretically it could be a back room tech guy but from what I have read that guy has been changed at least once over the last year or two. plus they have overwatch to check this.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:03 PM   #110
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If this was Garrett instead of mike Joey would be worshiping his sweaty nuts and getting him on the pod ASAP (wait he’s already done that). Nit pros are mad at a lag action player because he’s running hot at the moment.

Breaking down his game publicly and accusing him of seeing hole cards in a live game is 1. Unprofessional and 2. Ruining the much needed and missed action no limit has been missing for years and years.

This is why games have gone to ****. This is why no limit is basically dead. This is why most action poker players avoid casinos and play in private games instead.
Mike is invited to the pod anytime he would like to come on.

I've broken down 0 peoples games publicly in the past 13 years and hundreds of hours of YT content. The only time I've taken the time to lightly discuss a players strategies is in this thread after a former employee of the company accused a player of some type of OOL activity which I then went through hours of play to try to get a better idea what was going on. This is very easily accessibly public information on a player that anyone could get and breakdown themselves. This is also about a year old so I imagine his strategy has evolved and gotten stronger as his base strategy one year ago appears incredible. I don't think he would have anything to worry about in that regard.

I think that the reason NL is basically dead and this thread/situation have very little to do with each other as I can very rarely recall a time in the past where someone who appeared to play like a whale was accused of some type of activity like this and was also a massive winner in the process.

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Old 09-30-2019, 05:14 PM   #111
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at this point the question is not whether he's a cheater, it's what happens to him now that he is a cheater.

if he was cheating the casino at baccarat he would have already been arrested and sued by now.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:15 PM   #112
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Mike is invited to the pod anytime he would like to come on.

I've broken down 0 peoples games publicly in the past 13 years and hundreds of hours of YT content. The only time I've taken the time to lightly discuss a players strategies is in this thread after a former employee of the company accused a player of some type of OOL activity which I then went through hours of play to try to get a better idea what was going on. This is very easily accessibly public information on a player that anyone could get and breakdown themselves. This is also about a year old so I imagine his strategy has evolved and gotten stronger as his base strategy one year ago appears incredible. I don't think he would have anything to worry about in that regard.

I think that the reason NL is basically dead and this thread/situation have very little to do with each other as I can very rarely recall a time in the past where someone who appeared to play like a whale was accused of some type of activity like this and was also a massive winner in the process.
If you win a bunch of money over a short amount of time in a small venue (like stones) people will accuse you of cheating or worse like physically threaten you/ try to follow you home/ run you out of game etc. He’s won too much money, too fast and now the pitch forks and conspiracy theorists have started the witch hunt
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:24 PM   #113
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If you win a bunch of money over a short amount of time in a small venue (like stones) people will accuse you of cheating or worse like physically threaten you/ try to follow you home/ run you out of game etc. He’s won too much money, too fast and now the pitch forks and conspiracy theorists have started the witch hunt
You think that once the thread is made and the discussion has begun, we should disregard discussing the HHs that have taken place in the past that may support one way or the other about what is being alleged because in your opinion it is only pitch forks and conspiracy theorists starting a witch hunt because he has won too much money too fast??

This is level 1 of the disinformation playbook BTW - when you have no good argument to support your side, you reference pitch forks and conspiracy theorists to make those reading think that the other side is crazy to even entertain the possibility of something taking place. Small piece of strat for anyone looking to better their online argument game.

I have no idea what is going on here on either side, I'm just taking a look at the HHs from the stream, enjoying the action. Stones seems like a fun game.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:24 PM   #114
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:25 PM   #115
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Maxeth, you protest too much
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:29 PM   #116
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If you win a bunch of money over a short amount of time in a small venue (like stones) people will accuse you of cheating or worse like physically threaten you/ try to follow you home/ run you out of game etc. He’s won too much money, too fast and now the pitch forks and conspiracy theorists have started the witch hunt
Regulars in the poker community don’t publicly accuse someone of cheating without serious consideration. There’s no conspiracy here. People have decided this is worth looking into Mike.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:32 PM   #117
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If this guy is playing I’m def never gonna sit at the table, how is he suspected of cheating ? Through phone ? Is he constantly looking at his phone ?
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:35 PM   #118
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Do you have the link to the last hand 88 vs 1010...so I dont have to spend hours searching. thanks if you do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vaF...outu.be&t=1167
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:37 PM   #119
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You think that once the thread is made and the discussion has begun, we should disregard discussing the HHs that have taken place in the past that may support one way or the other about what is being alleged because in your opinion it is only pitch forks and conspiracy theorists starting a witch hunt because he has won too much money too fast??

This is level 1 of the disinformation playbook BTW - when you have no good argument to support your side, you reference pitch forks and conspiracy theorists to make those reading think that the other side is crazy to even entertain the possibility of something taking place. Small piece of strat for anyone looking to better their online argument game.

I have no idea what is going on here on either side, I'm just taking a look at the HHs from the stream, enjoying the action. Stones seems like a fun game.
NL games are fragile and if I was a reg at stones I would be pissed that a bunch of guys are scaring an action player off before the inevitable implosion that is waiting. Watching 15 hours of video and making wild speculations that is sure to ruin someone’s action is OOL. If there was undeniable proof that he is cheating then sure fire away. But all I see is a couple dozen hands of donk on donk aggression that doesn’t deserve nvg exposure.

I think we can all agree on one thing tho, cocaine and adderall is one helluva drug ain’t it
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:57 PM   #120
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https://youtu.be/uuWuc4hHT-w?t=373

"I wasn't quite sure what they had of...."


Who knows what it means but funny given the context of the allegations.
I found this interesting as well. He seemed to catch himself before finishing this sentence: "I wasn't quite sure what they had of (course)"

He also seems pretty flustered right after he cuts off that sentence.

The hands themselves will never be enough to 100% confirm he knew everyone's cards, the same as flipping a coin 30 times and landing heads every time doesn't prove the coin is rigged.

It just doesn't seem natural that he could make so many insane bluffs and always be right, while also never seeming to put significant $ into the pot when hes behind, even in the standard "cooler" situations.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:00 PM   #121
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Kasey Lyn’s commentary was the fishiest thing about this hand.

If we assume Mike knows he’s beat, then he would know he’s drawing dead on the turn, so why would he not simply check-fold turn? He would also know if he shoves river he gets called, so why would he burn $280 needlessly?
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:09 PM   #122
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they say he had 87 a bit after the hand is done. Shortly after the next hand.

not sure if someone mentionned this before ,but obv makes a huge difference.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:12 PM   #123
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Kasey Lyn’s commentary was the fishiest thing about this hand.

If we assume Mike knows he’s beat, then he would know he’s drawing dead on the turn, so why would he not simply check-fold turn? He would also know if he shoves river he gets called, so why would he burn $280 needlessly?
ya as played jj, qq, kk, aa, QJ and 67 are never(or almost never) in villians range. Does Villian sometimes have A9 sure and call maybe...but other then that villian folds all worse to shove and calls with all better.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:12 PM   #124
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hey guys he's just really really good at picking up on betting patterns

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Old 09-30-2019, 06:12 PM   #125
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they say he had 87 a bit after the hand is done. Shortly after the next hand.

not sure if someone mentionned this before ,but obv makes a huge difference.
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So, If I have this correctly, the RFID reader was incorrect on these two occasions, and we are basing this assumption off the player in the game telling the guy in charge this information after the commentators and chat became suspicious of what exactly was happening? The same guy who is being accused of having some type of super using access and the same guy who has access to all the back end and also has spoken about the investigation that took place at some point?


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