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Old 11-01-2020, 02:18 PM   #12401
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UK law and American law on this is miles apart. You should really know that basic fact before making these kinds of posts.

Marle not knowing UK is as unsurprising as her liking Alex Jones though, not sad at all she lost, even to Postle. Guess she can't dump another 6 figures in high stakes games when they could barely beat 2/5.
If you had read my posts you would have noticed that I have often commented on the difference between the legal approaches of the two countries, so yes, I know they are miles apart. That is why I have welcomed the legal explanations that have taken a much greater emphasis on this thread recently, as it is a way for someone from a distance, like me, to get to understand the US legal background better, and for US readers without an expertise in poker defamation cases to brush up on this specialist area.

I had never said anything about Marle not knowing UK law, why should she? But I did mention that her finding the way he played a hand was suspicious seemed to be poor grounds to support a case, as it is such a big jump, if I played you at poker and said I was suspicious about the way you played a hand so I thought you were cheating, I don't think you would (rightly) be too impressed with my case! But that was pretty much the case made against Postle.
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Old 11-04-2020, 05:50 PM   #12402
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I say it all the time, it's why experienced poker players are certain he was cheating, and the doubters tend to be either donks or poker muggles.
Yep. It is that style of play that is impossible to produce results where you don’t lose nobody how good you are at poker.

Even if you take at face value the total amount he won because of his superior play, the variance of his individual sessions should be much higher. One would expect some massive losses when your cards don’t hit.

He also seemingly goes from a loose player that calls huge raises with 5-4 but will fold K-K pre-flop. He says his advantage is due to his reading body language but he never even looks at his opponent.
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Old 11-04-2020, 07:01 PM   #12403
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:12 PM   #12404
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They did not destroy his reputation, or remove his ability to generate income.
just lol, he'll never get another game in his life. especially on a live steam or tv. and his rep is that of a cheater, have 100 plus pages on twoplustwo onlne calling him such, plus youtube and other places im sure i do now know about.
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:14 PM   #12405
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How are there still "Postle is innocent" trolls? wtf
where did i say i thought he was innocent?
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:24 PM   #12406
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just lol, he'll never get another game in his life. especially on a live steam or tv. and his rep is that of a cheater, have 100 plus pages on twoplustwo onlne calling him such, plus youtube and other places im sure i do now know about.
He'll get plenty of games. Maybe not too much on live tv, although wouldn't shock me if he did. After all...he was found "innocent"
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:26 PM   #12407
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The join dates of such people tell me they're either friends of Postle himself, or people who missed out on the year-plus of research done by dozens of people.

But yeah, it's pretty insane. Figure that it's one of the few things on which both Doug Polk and Daniel Negreanu agree, so being firmly on the side of Postle being clean puts a person pretty far into the weeds.
again, i am not saying i think he is innocent and never made that claim. i am saying it was never proved he cheated and all the ppl who used their platforms to call him a cheat and ruin his name are in the wrong.
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:29 PM   #12408
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again, i am not saying i think he is innocent and never made that claim. i am saying it was never proved he cheated and all the ppl who used their platforms to call him a cheat and ruin his name are in the wrong.
Why are they in the wrong? If they made that claim, and he cheated, but was found innocent, are they in the wrong?
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:31 PM   #12409
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He'll get plenty of games. Maybe not too much on live tv, although wouldn't shock me if he did. After all...he was found "innocent"
please, imagine how difficult it would be to walk into a poker room when the majority of the room thinks youre a scumbag? and name one outlet that would be willing to have him live stream? maybe years later but not any time soon, plus if he was a winning player, he has all that lost revenue since he was outted as a cheat
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:32 PM   #12410
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Why are they in the wrong? If they made that claim, and he cheated, but was found innocent, are they in the wrong?
lol, legally yes, u just answered your own question.
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Old 11-05-2020, 02:35 PM   #12411
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lol, legally yes, u just answered your own question.
No. I was just trying to understand whether you believe that what the courts decide is the unchallengeable truth. It's not. They're wrong quite often. So no, it's not wrong to challenge what the courts have decided, imo
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Old 11-05-2020, 03:28 PM   #12412
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After all...he was found "innocent"



When was this?
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Old 11-05-2020, 04:14 PM   #12413
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Even if you take at face value the total amount he won because of his superior play, the variance of his individual sessions should be much higher. One would expect some massive losses when your cards don’t hit.
Not necessary. There was not set ups. No set over set etc.

You can easily just run pure over period of very many hands. You can watch session Postle played and ask if he run good, and if he had set ups. And he had very few of those.
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Old 11-05-2020, 04:17 PM   #12414
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Not necessary. There was not set ups. No set over set etc.

You can easily just run pure over period of very many hands. You can watch session Postle played and ask if he run good, and if he had set ups. And he had very few of those.

Funny how he only runs pure playing in a streamed game in Sacramento...
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Old 11-05-2020, 04:26 PM   #12415
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No. I was just trying to understand whether you believe that what the courts decide is the unchallengeable truth. It's not. They're wrong quite often. So no, it's not wrong to challenge what the courts have decided, imo
SMH,WTF are you saying now??? unchallengeable truth? courts never wrong? What planet are you on? I never said any of that, you are horrible at debating or trying to get a point across, and again you are wrong, what ever the courts decide IS law. right or wrong the courts verdict is what we must go by. I'm done trying to explain this to you when you just make **** up, its partly my fault, i do not know how to communicate well.
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Old 11-05-2020, 04:29 PM   #12416
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Funny how he only runs pure playing in a streamed game in Sacramento...
how do you know? you play with him at all his other live events? you just get second, third, eight millionth accounting of what he did, sure he probably cheated but who can say if he didnt win elsewhere or run as good or better? no one.
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Old 11-05-2020, 05:27 PM   #12417
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Hello executiveauto:

In the poker world and the real world he is guilty as ****.
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Old 11-05-2020, 05:43 PM   #12418
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please, imagine how difficult it would be to walk into a poker room when the majority of the room thinks youre a scumbag?
I could name a dozen people who (barring covid) play most every day in my local cardroom for which this is true.
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Old 11-05-2020, 05:58 PM   #12419
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Hello executiveauto:

In the poker world and the real world he is guilty as ****.
Hello! and as i have been saying, LEGALLY he is not. I don;t know why you guys have such a hard time understanding that.
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Old 11-05-2020, 06:06 PM   #12420
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I could name a dozen people who (barring covid) play most every day in my local cardroom for which this is true.
def true since there are a great number of sb in the poker world. i meant sb pertaining to this specific individual with cheating allegations n all the bad press he received and so on. his ability to generate income compared to pre cheating rumors has greatly diminished, plus he personally might not feel comfortable walking into a pokwe eoom anytime soon
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:35 PM   #12421
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Funny how he only runs pure playing in a streamed game in Sacramento...
Show me hand where Postle folds like set in nontrivial situation? There have to be those, since he played so many sessions. Watched his sessions and for me it seem that he run very good to not run into set ups.

Postle have been playing decades. I can buy it that he is like breakeven cash and make his money from tournaments argumentation. But then why he played mostly cash? My argumentation is before stream. Is accusation nowdays that he cheated before. Ok. Then why he needed stream? He was big loser and fish argumentation is just stupid. Yea. Guy play very regularly poker decades without any other income and lose all the time. Where the money comes in? It's just not that hard to be winning live poker player.

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Old 11-05-2020, 09:59 PM   #12422
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When was this?
Kind of wondering where that idea originated ?

Not aware of such a finding that he was "innocent" that I've seen in this thread.

Fwiw, someone may be found "not guilty" of some crime, but even that is not "found innocent" .... Ask OJ, who was sued in civil court after being found "not guilty" of as crime.
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:02 PM   #12423
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Show me hand where Postle folds like set in nontrivial situation? There have to be those, since he played so many sessions. Watched his sessions and for me it seem that he run very good to not run into set ups.

Postle have been playing decades. I can buy it that he is like breakeven cash and make his money from tournaments argumentation. But then why he played mostly cash? My argumentation is before stream. Is accusation nowdays that he cheated before. Ok. Then why he needed stream? He was big loser and fish argumentation is just stupid. Yea. Guy play very regularly poker decades without any other income and lose all the time. Where the money comes in? It's just not that hard to be winning live poker player.
Perhaps, he "always depended upon the kindness of strangers" ?
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:06 PM   #12424
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Hello! and as i have been saying, LEGALLY he is not. I don;t know why you guys have such a hard time understanding that.
I did not say anything about his legal situation.
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:23 PM   #12425
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. Guy play very regularly poker decades without any other income and lose all the time. Where the money comes in?.
How do you know this? Do you know him personally or just take his word?
Do you also believe he won millions on UB?

The guys own brother admitted on stream that Mike has been scamming people since grade school.

Maybe pick a better hill to die on.
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