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Old 10-05-2020, 09:12 PM   #12051
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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In a subsequent suit? Why not?
A number of reasons. First, the parties aren't the same. Not being able to prove something against one party doesn't mean you're not able to prove something against another (Stones liability vs Postle behavior). Second, there are additional parties in the second case. Maybe THEY can prove Postle's behavior. Third, testimony is taken under oath and subject to cross examination. Statements made by lawyers aren't testimony, aren't taken under oath, aren't cross examined, and aren't the facts of the case unless lawyers from both sides stipulate to it. Claiming you can't prove something doesn't speak to the facts of the case, just your ability to prove them. Maybe at a later date additional evidence is available (a new video, a new witness has emerged, someone has since come clean, etc.).

I'm not suggesting lawyers can't assert that Postle didn't cheat because some of the parties who previously sued Stones didn't prove it then. Lawyers claim all sorts of stuff. I'm saying it won't matter if they do because it's a different thing and a different issue.
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:33 PM   #12052
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What are the odds that, if this suit is for real and it moves forward, Postle will not be deposed by hostile attorneys?
Postle has to prove he didn't cheat. So at minimum he has to testify to that fact. He may also have to testify to any damages he suffered. And once he does that he can be cross-examined by opposing counsel. Additionally, the defendants are entitled to know all the facts against them before the suit can proceed. The plaintiff can't keep the facts to himself until the trial phase because the case is supposed to be settled if possible, and the defendants are entitled to mount a defense. No trials by ambush. So, the odds of the suit (if real) proceeding to the trial stage without Postle being deposed is probably zero. Whether or not opposing counsel is hostile will be a matter of opinion.
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:41 PM   #12053
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If Stones is behind this, it would seem pretty dumb. They should let sleeping dogs lie. With the judge dismissing Mac's suit, everything got swept under the rug. With the Postle suit, the defendants can present all sort of evidence of cheating and how it was accomplished with JFK and maybe others.

I don't really understand this suit. In a lot of cases, suits like this might be settled rather than deal with the expense of going to trial. However, they are definitely not settling with Veronica, and likely Galfond, Polk, Ingram, Dnegs and others will present evidence at trial rather than give Postle a dime.

What damages did Postle suffer? Maybe to his reputation, but he can still play poker. Maybe he lost the ability to get suckers to play in rigged games against him.
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Old 10-05-2020, 10:00 PM   #12054
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*Postle very, very, very likely isn't paying a dime for his attorneys. They've taken the case on a contingency basis (and all the publicity they hope to get) like most plaintiff's lawyers do.
Strongly disagree. Our firm takes probably one case in 200 on contingency. Outside of personal injury and some very narrow specialty areas where fee recovery is fairly certain (class actions, wage & hour claims), most plaintiffs pay by the hour like everyone else.
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Old 10-05-2020, 10:30 PM   #12055
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It seems really unlikely that Postle is putting up his own money to sue all these big names. I read somewhere that most slander/libel cases are contingency fee, but lawyers don't take them as easily as personal injury.
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Old 10-06-2020, 12:28 AM   #12056
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It seems really unlikely that Postle is putting up his own money to sue all these big names. I read somewhere that most slander/libel cases are contingency fee, but lawyers don't take them as easily as personal injury.
Postle is really putting the **** in contingency
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:41 AM   #12057
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You cannot make this stuff up. First people sue Mike Postle and now he is suing. This is unbelievable.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:47 AM   #12058
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^probably settle in metals
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Old 10-06-2020, 05:47 AM   #12059
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You cannot make this stuff up. First people sue Mike Postle and now he is suing. This is unbelievable.
When the Postle story broke he was described as having "dupers delight", in loving the enjoyment of cheating people. As that is in his nature, it follows he will get that same enjoyment about being dishonest by suing people when he privately knows they are right in what they say that he cheated.

And let's not forget Postle is a gambler, and this is all a massive gamble on his side, as he could very easily have left things where they were once the ill-considered Lawyer Mac case unravelled.
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:44 AM   #12060
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When the Postle story broke he was described as having "dupers delight", in loving the enjoyment of cheating people. As that is in his nature, it follows he will get that same enjoyment about being dishonest by suing people when he privately knows they are right in what they say that he cheated.

And let's not forget Postle is a gambler, and this is all a massive gamble on his side, as he could very easily have left things where they were once the ill-considered Lawyer Mac case unravelled.
Yes, it seems like Postle like being blatant about this, as with the alleged cheating. It seems unusual for a libel / slander suit to be filed when truth seems so obvious.

If the judge had made a different ruling in the Ver Standig suit, the plaintiffs might have gotten a decent settlement. You can say it was ill considered after the fact.

The firm representing Postle, Lowe & Associates, is Beverly Hills based and deals primarily with entertainment law. It is a fairly small firm with 5 attorneys, the same number is the Ver Standig firm that filed the original suit.

I assume Postle doesn't have the money for this, so it is contingency fee or someone is putting up the money. I can't imagine that Stones would want more publicity and investigations about this.

Maybe the law firm is doing it mainly for publicity. Ver Standig was willing to take the first case on a contingency basis and lost money and got bad publicity.

Even though 95% of civil cases are settled or dismissed, I can't see how this case can be settled. It will probably be dismissed or go to trial. Maybe Postle's lawyers don't care and want the publicity of it going to trial, regardless of whether they put in unpaid work.
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:50 AM   #12061
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Norman Chad was funnier with this tweet than he is on TV:

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Mike Postle is suing a bunch of people (and ESPN), including @Angry_Polak, @DougPolkVids, @haralabob, @Joeingram1, @JonathanLittle, @RealKidPoker and @ToddWitteles, for defamation, slander and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

He must have an ace up his sleeve.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:15 AM   #12062
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You guys that think lawyers take cases, especially an out of town defamation case, solely for publicity are hysterical.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:21 AM   #12063
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Could any of Justin's tweets be considered slanderous/Defamation? Would be hilarious if people not only fight the Postle case, but throw a lawsuit in Justin's face too.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:31 AM   #12064
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If the judge had made a different ruling in the Ver Standig suit, the plaintiffs might have gotten a decent settlement. You can say it was ill considered after the fact.

Ver Standig was willing to take the first case on a contingency basis and lost money and got bad publicity.

Even though 95% of civil cases are settled or dismissed, I can't see how this case can be settled. It will probably be dismissed or go to trial. Maybe Postle's lawyers don't care and want the publicity of it going to trial, regardless of whether they put in unpaid work.
A sound lawyer would have established the legal eligibility of his case before trying to take it to court, that is not being wise after the event, that is common sense.

Alarm bells rang for me when Ver Standig said he was doing the case to make his name as a poker specialist lawyer.

Jjjou812 as usual misunderstands something, when saying the idea that lawyers take a case to get publicity is laughable, as Ver Standig did the case precisely for that reason.

Postle's lawyers will also be motivated by publicity. If Postle's lawyers by any miracle were to win the case they would gain tons of great publicity for winning such a difficult case, if they lose, it will get quickly forgotten as his case was never likely to succeed in the first place, so one can see why they would take it as it is like a free roll for them reputation and publicitywise, and they will get paid whether or not he wins his case.
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Old 10-06-2020, 12:39 PM   #12065
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Jjjou812 as usual misunderstands something, when saying the idea that lawyers take a case to get publicity is laughable, as Ver Standig did the case precisely for that reason.

Postle's lawyers will also be motivated by publicity.
Mac took the case to make money from the deep pocket defendant, the casino. End of story. That’s why he settled when the deep pockets disappeared and the only damages were the rake. If he was in it for publicity, the case would still be going.

Now they guys that think Postle’s attorneys took his case for publicity are hysterical and one of them is a moron.
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Old 10-06-2020, 01:10 PM   #12066
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A number of reasons. First, the parties aren't the same. Not being able to prove something against one party doesn't mean you're not able to prove something against another (Stones liability vs Postle behavior). Second, there are additional parties in the second case. Maybe THEY can prove Postle's behavior. Third, testimony is taken under oath and subject to cross examination. Statements made by lawyers aren't testimony, aren't taken under oath, aren't cross examined, and aren't the facts of the case unless lawyers from both sides stipulate to it. Claiming you can't prove something doesn't speak to the facts of the case, just your ability to prove them. Maybe at a later date additional evidence is available (a new video, a new witness has emerged, someone has since come clean, etc.).

I'm not suggesting lawyers can't assert that Postle didn't cheat because some of the parties who previously sued Stones didn't prove it then. Lawyers claim all sorts of stuff. I'm saying it won't matter if they do because it's a different thing and a different issue.
it WILL be under oath if the lawyer testifiess to the facthat he signed the statement and why
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Old 10-06-2020, 01:16 PM   #12067
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what is needed to continue the lawsuit on behalf those who didn't settle? a lawyer? I got $100 for your lawyer because I don't think he cheated and I want to see the data from stone's wifi etc and postle's phone records.
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Old 10-06-2020, 01:57 PM   #12068
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What damages did Postle suffer? Maybe to his reputation, but he can still play poker. Maybe he lost the ability to get suckers to play in rigged games against him.
Emotional distress. Hundreds of millions is about right in U.S.A in those cases. Layer take like 50% of it. High risk and high potential reward.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:49 PM   #12069
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OJ should sue the Goldman family for all the emotional distress they have caused him by the accusations of murdering two people.
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:02 PM   #12070
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You guys that think lawyers take cases, especially an out of town defamation case, solely for publicity are hysterical.
In both cases, they had to go out of town or out of state to find a lawyer willing to take it on a contingency fee basis for the publicity.
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:03 PM   #12071
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Seriously ? You think it is interesting background information that Stones Casino is described in a tweet as "owned by a shadowy but powerful Jewish family" ?

Anyone have a link to any suit actually having been filed or a complaint served on any of the named defendants ?
Jewish or no, I don't care. But did you read the entire tweet thread about the power grab by the owners of Stones? And the shady things they've done before?
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:06 PM   #12072
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FWIW
https://www.wired.com/story/poker-pr...ar330m-damages
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:24 PM   #12073
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It have been well known long time, that numbers how much Postle won are fabricated. 1-0 to Postle from it.
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:37 PM   #12074
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“Not only did defendants, and each of them, have no reasonable basis to believe these statements,” the complaint says, “but they also had no belief in the truth of these statements, and in fact knew the statements to be false.”
He's saying that everyone who said Postle was cheating knew he wasn't cheating and were lying in order to defame him. How can you prove intent like that? Seems like he's just looking for a settlement. Or would the court consider the statement "Postle did not cheat" to be true because it has not been proven that he did? And since he hasn't been proven to be a cheater then calling him a cheater would be untrue and thus defamation. But it's quite obvious that everyone involved legitimately believes him to be a cheater so I don't see how he can prove they "knew the statements to be false."
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:47 PM   #12075
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I wonder if Postle has convinced himself he is in the right here.
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