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Old 10-03-2020, 09:11 PM   #11951
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I think Postle is actually a favorite to get some settlement from some of the parties after what Mac Verstandig settled for.

To think that the general lay public is going to know any poker or gambling related statistical probability argument is just not going to happen.

Then they see that a similar case was settled in basically Postle/Kings favor and that there was no wrongdoing from Stones (where the person running the stream setting up live feed for Postle is by far most likely scenario), this is hugely in Postle's favor.

I'd suggest not donating to the Veronica fund as this will only lead to more heartache for the poker world.
I wonder if we got 10k poker players to donate $100, if a million dollars would be enough to beat postle in court
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Old 10-03-2020, 09:28 PM   #11952
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PM me if you want to bet that Postle gets less than $1.
I don't gamble. I don't consider playing poker gambling.

I doubt Negreanu, Polk, Ingram, Veronica, etc. will settle with him. Maybe ESPN will give him a little.
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Old 10-03-2020, 10:26 PM   #11953
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I think Postle is actually a favorite to get some settlement from some of the parties after what Mac Verstandig settled for.
I think he’s a substantial dog in doing this.

The whole just looks retaliatory and courts that are overburdened already don’t like these kinds of games and have been known the punish people that pull these kind of things.

And who is bankrolling Postle’s lawsuit? What’s his income stream these days?
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Old 10-03-2020, 10:31 PM   #11954
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And who is bankrolling Postle’s lawsuit? What’s his income stream these days?
the stream that he ripped off for like 250k? lol
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Old 10-03-2020, 10:42 PM   #11955
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I am a lawyer. My practice is mainly commercial civil litigation in Texas (not California). She needs to raise the limit of her gofundme goal. Alternatively, we need to donate more even if it exceeds her goal. $20k isn't going to get it. Donate if you believe in her cause, even if it's just $10. I doubt she's ever been through litigation like this. If she had, she would know she's going to need more. When litigation truly gets rolling, the fee statements will take your breath away.

Moreover, I'm imagining she's not up against Postle as much as she is his lawyers who have agreed to take this case on a contingent fee basis. If he's as broke as all current information suggests he is, that's what his deal is with his lawyers.

She's just caught in the middle between Postle and the deeper pockets like ESPN who may or may not be likely to settle to avoid the nuisance.

Give it up if you think this guy is the person you think he is. The rest of the defendants can probably handle the fees. I don't think she can.

Edit: I do not know Veronica, I have never talked to her, or any other defendant. I do not have a monetary interest in this case. Just observations/guesses from a person who has been following this story since it first came to light.

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Old 10-03-2020, 11:27 PM   #11956
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the stream that he ripped off for like 250k? lol

Do you really think he has much of that 250k laying around? I’d be willing to bet most or all of it is gone.

So it leads me back to who is footing the bill?
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:35 PM   #11957
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Do you really think he has much of that 250k laying around? I’d be willing to bet most or all of it is gone.

So it leads me back to who is footing the bill?
haha I was jk man, we all know that number was greatly exaggerated!!
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Old 10-04-2020, 01:07 AM   #11958
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Old 10-04-2020, 01:23 AM   #11959
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Dumbest move ever by Postle.

He had avoided the one thing he has to avoid: sitting for a deposition. Now he and every one of his alleged accomplices have to sit for depositions.

It's popcorn time.
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Old 10-04-2020, 01:40 AM   #11960
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I assume the $330 million is to scare ESPN, Poker News, and relatively wealthy big name poker players into settling.

I guess Negreanu got sued just for saying "he cheated".

I can't imagine that Negreanu, Polk, and Galfond will settle this, at least without going through deposition and discovery. Wouldn't it be a lot of fun to grill Postle under oath? At least now they will have a chance to present evidence that wasn't presented in the case that was dismissed. I can't imagine that Postle will find it easy being questioned about this.

Oscar Wilde sued the Marquess of Queensbury for slander calling him a "sodomite" (Wilde was involved with Queensbury's son). Queensbury presented evidence of Wilde being involved with and paying 14-year-old boys. Wilde was prosecuted for this and sent to prison.
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Old 10-04-2020, 04:52 AM   #11961
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Bill Perkins should go in the poker HOF if he bankrolls the lawsuit that finally nails Postle

Chipped in to the Veronica fund, everyone in the poker community should, she's the hero in this story and shouldn't have to worry about anything financially for telling the truth.

I would enjoy very much if Postle is forced to declare bankruptcy as a result of this and even more so if he goes to jail the sheer nerve of a scumbag suing the people that exposed his cheating
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Old 10-04-2020, 05:10 AM   #11962
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Dumbest move ever by Postle.

He had avoided the one thing he has to avoid: sitting for a deposition. Now he and every one of his alleged accomplices have to sit for depositions.

It's popcorn time.
I hear you. But don't you think he'd know that? He's innocent. He doesn't sue if he did it.
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Old 10-04-2020, 05:21 AM   #11963
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If I was one of the players that was robbed by this massive **** and now had to deal with a defamation lawsuit, whilst knowing where he hangs around, I'd make a strong gesture that symbolizes what I think about him. Let's leave it at that.
A clearer threat to Postle I've never seen but the mods don't care.
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Old 10-04-2020, 06:09 AM   #11964
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Why would any professional gambler use structuring, if not for cheating in taxes?
Buying drugs. Selling drugs. Buying illegal items of other sorts. Donating to terrorists.
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Old 10-04-2020, 06:10 AM   #11965
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So baller of Bill perkins, it really is the point of having money to help people like veronica and Joey especially and punish people like postle. Could play some 500-1k or whatever he does, or spend 1 buyin on helping poker community and be remembered and revered for a long time for being a good guy in a crap situation and save the day
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Old 10-04-2020, 06:13 AM   #11966
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1000 john does? Uh oh ...
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Old 10-04-2020, 06:43 AM   #11967
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I know I'm beating a dead horse by now but just straight up laughed when I saw this. So baller.





Shoutout to everyone else who donated to the GoFund me, by the way. The poker community can be amazing. A lot of interesting names in the donor list, gj all!
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Old 10-04-2020, 07:01 AM   #11968
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Love seeing all these big poker players making grand statements on twitter to Veronica about her request for donations. When you check what they donated its often $20-$50

I think ultimately this will work out bad for Postle even if he wins compared to if he just shut up and did nothing... The community is large and this is more offensive to most of them than the actual cheating. Bill Perkins can become #1 poker superstar if he funds this


Also. Veronica if you are reading this. Please increase your goal to like 50k or something... I guarantee your average person will see the current goal was met and may decide they dont need to donate...

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Old 10-04-2020, 07:19 AM   #11969
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Postle is basically freerolling here. Suing everyone can't lower his standing in the poker community because most anyone with a brain thinks he's a cheater. A counter suit for legal fees goes nowhere because how is anyone going to collect blood from a stone? But even people settling for pennies on the dollar is more $ than he had before.

It's an ******* piece of **** move to do, but unfortunately there are lots of financial advantages to a lack of ethics or shame.
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Old 10-04-2020, 07:32 AM   #11970
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I know I'm beating a dead horse by now but just straight up laughed when I saw this. So baller.





Shoutout to everyone else who donated to the GoFund me, by the way. The poker community can be amazing. A lot of interesting names in the donor list, gj all!
Hahahaha, I wonder what Postle is thinking when he see's this on twitter....

The only way this could be any more baller by Perkins is if he offered up his own attorney. (I imagine he has some hot shots on retainer)
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Old 10-04-2020, 07:49 AM   #11971
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Postle is basically freerolling here.
He can be made responsible for defendent attorney fees. Beyond that, his position in the court of public opinion can sink even lower, given the additional notoriety and publicity his countersuit would generate.
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Old 10-04-2020, 10:35 AM   #11972
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Postle has the burden of proving that the defendants made the statements he's accusing them of making. He also has to show he suffered damages (was fired, has a bad reputation in the poker world and can't get a game, etc.). He doesn't have to prove the statements are false. If he proves the defendants made the statements and that he suffered damages, then the burden of proof switches to the defendants to demonstrate the statements are true. The standard of proof in a civil case is a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt, nor clear and convincing. That's the lowest standard of proof used in the courts. And in civil cases, the jury verdict doesn't have to be unanimous. California law might vary somewhat.

I don't think Postle can sue those Nevada corporations and individuals living in other states in the California court. The case probably has to be moved to the Federal Court. That's the first attack the defendants will probably make. Also, they can counter-sue for legal expenses. Additionally, any of the defendants who lost money to him in the poker games can counter-sue for the money they lost. Postle probably doesn't want to go to court if he cheated because he could lose. This suit is probably intended as a shot across the bow of those accused, with Postle hoping to back everybody off and get some money in settlements, maybe 5K - 10K from some defendants who will spend more than that in legal expenses if the case moves forward.
The defendants own attorney made a statement of no wrong doing found and no evidence to support their claims. Its already been stated and accepted in court by the named defendants attorney that they couldnt prove it.

Before during and after this settlement the court of public opinion slandered and defamed Postle as a cheater etc etc. even after judgement the named defendants still slandered his name. This is as clear cut as it gets after their own attorney stated no proof was found. Theyre drawing dead at winning this.

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Postle still is not famous or much of a public figure, but he was known in the pokerverse and the negative talk came from the poker community. Known by peers and judged by peers....maybe one of the lawyers in this thread can comment on that.

The real mystery to me is how he is walking without crutches and doesn't need a straw for feedings.
Lol no one in the poker world ever does anything because theyre all soft and just internet warriors. Seriously this thought process in the poker world is hilarious. The same people that are suing over losing at the tables are going to start jumping people in the street? cmon gtfo. all you little boys with your egos are way out of line saying stuff like this online mostly cause you all know youre soft and wouldnt do anythinng.

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Here is the first definition I located providing the elements of the claim and a cite to the Restatement of Torts. Do you have anything showing the Plaintiff does not have to prove the statements were false?

Elements

In order to establish a prima facie case of defamation, a plaintiff must prove:

a false and defamatory statement by defendant concerning the plaintiff;
an unprivileged publication to a third person;
fault, amounting to at least negligence; and
actual or presumed damages.
Chowdhry v. NLVH, Inc., 109 Nev. 478, 483, 851 P.2d 459 (1993)(citing Restatement (Second) of Torts, § 558 (1977)).

If the defamation tends to injure the plaintiff in his or her business or profession, it is deemed defamation per se, and damages will be presumed.

Chowdhry v. NLVH, Inc., 109 Nev. 478, 483-84, 851 P.2d 459 (1993).

Example Cases

Proof

Whether a statement could be construed as defamatory is a question of law
Whether a statement is capable of a defamatory construction is a question of law. Branda v. Sanford, 97 Nev. 643, 646, 637 P.2d 1223, 1225 (1981). A jury question arises when the statement is susceptible of different meanings, one of which is defamatory. Id.

Chowdhry v. NLVH, Inc., 109 Nev. 478, 483-84, 851 P.2d 459 (1993).

Whether a statement is true/false is a question of fact
Accordingly, a jury must be allowed to determine whether the statement has any “basis in truth,” Wellman, 108 Nev. at 88, 825 P.2d at 211, since the truth or falsity of an allegedly defamatory statement is an issue of fact properly left to the jury for resolution. Nevada Ind. Broadcasting v. Allen, 99 Nev. 404, 413, 664 P.2d 337, 343 (1983).

Posadas v. City of Reno, 109 Nev. 448, 453, 851 P.2d 438, 442 (1993)
The defendants own lawyer in a prior criminal case exonerated Postle by stating they had no proof or evidence of wrong doing. There is no way postle loses this case because of that.

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I am a lawyer. My practice is mainly commercial civil litigation in Texas (not California). She needs to raise the limit of her gofundme goal. Alternatively, we need to donate more even if it exceeds her goal. $20k isn't going to get it. Donate if you believe in her cause, even if it's just $10. I doubt she's ever been through litigation like this. If she had, she would know she's going to need more. When litigation truly gets rolling, the fee statements will take your breath away.

Moreover, I'm imagining she's not up against Postle as much as she is his lawyers who have agreed to take this case on a contingent fee basis. If he's as broke as all current information suggests he is, that's what his deal is with his lawyers.

She's just caught in the middle between Postle and the deeper pockets like ESPN who may or may not be likely to settle to avoid the nuisance.

Give it up if you think this guy is the person you think he is. The rest of the defendants can probably handle the fees. I don't think she can.

Edit: I do not know Veronica, I have never talked to her, or any other defendant. I do not have a monetary interest in this case. Just observations/guesses from a person who has been following this story since it first came to light.
Im a lawyer also. Veronica and Joey Ingram did about everything wrong that they could do wrong here, given they had no physical proof. They cant prove the claims they can only make assumptions..

Id like to paraphrase a judgement on a california case based on an exploit in a video poker machine:

A group of players found an exploit (edge) on certain video poker machines. Kept it to themselves, over the course of a few months make over 500k from said machines spread across california. The casinos and manufacturers sued the players criminally and in civil court. Both times case was thrown out when their lawyers defense was... "your honor all my clients did was press a button in a certain sequence in which they were legally entitled to press"

Case dismissed and they were able to recover all funds that were seized and sue operators for defamation after the fact.

Postles going to walk away from this with potentially 7 figures because poker players dont know **** about the real world or how it actually works.

Also no one has said it yet but Joey Ingram is going to get destroyed through this. He was broadcasting his videos to 10s of thousands of people EVERY DAY for weeks, calling postle a cheater, a scammer, etc etc... all the while holding up bottle of adderall talking about his drug induced sessions of grinding this to uncover the truth!!! Hes going to get destroyed in court, its why hes gone silent on social media.

GG poker world.
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Old 10-04-2020, 10:35 AM   #11973
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Yeh, this is worse for his reputation and will make it harder for him if he goes to poker rooms.

I got sued in a chain reaction auto accident, and it was settled after depositions and discovery. My impression is that is when most suits are settled. I had to answer questions from the plaintiff's attorney and my insurance company asked the plaintiff questions about her BS medical problems (she drove away from the accident and I wasn't hurt).

I would assume that even although it might be more cost effective to give him a few thousand to go away, the Polk, etc. will at least not settle before their lawyers get a chance to grill Postle, JFK, etc., and present whatever evidence they have, which may be a lot more than is available publicly now.
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Old 10-04-2020, 10:43 AM   #11974
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The defendants own attorney made a statement of no wrong doing found and no evidence to support their claims. Its already been stated and accepted in court by the named defendants attorney that they couldnt prove it.

Before during and after this settlement the court of public opinion slandered and defamed Postle as a cheater etc etc. even after judgement the named defendants still slandered his name. This is as clear cut as it gets after their own attorney stated no proof was found. Theyre drawing dead at winning this.

None of the people being sued signed the statement saying there wasn't evidence of cheating or whatever.

Truth is a defense, and the defendants in the libel case can provide evidence that Postle cheated.

This also shows how the plaintiff's attorney in the original case screwed things up by agreeing to that statement in exchange for $40K.
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Old 10-04-2020, 11:24 AM   #11975
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Now that Mike is filing lawsuit against all these people. Can they not now demand his phone gets looked at for evidence of cheating?
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