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Old 09-30-2020, 08:04 PM   #11876
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A murder case is very different from a financial crime case. Laci Peterson was a pretty pregnant woman who was found dead. There's an in-built sympathy factor there that had people screaming for justice. The public needed to find who brutally killed her and Scott Peterson was acting a little weird and the prosecutors built a convincing enough circumstantial case against him. In the Postle case, there is no in-built sympathy factor. The victims of his cheating are poker players and nobody outside the poker world cares about bringing him to justice. I'd be willing to bet that much of the public low-key thinks that poker players are degenerate gamblers anyway and, hey: Stupid games; stupid prizes.
The irony is strong in this one.
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Old 09-30-2020, 08:27 PM   #11877
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The irony is strong in this one.

Great catch.

People hate casinos more than players. If Postle stole from the casino, he would be in prison. So, it isn’t about sympathy or liking. It’s about political muscle.
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Old 09-30-2020, 09:51 PM   #11878
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Just a hypothetical .... If Postle admitted guilt today (or next week, or next month, etc.) could the plantiffs who already settled, sue again?

And, couldn't he actually get with the plantiffs and ask for a % of their settlement with stones, in return for him admitting guilt?
I believe the settlement was with Stones/JFK and specifically left out Postle.
The Bart Hanson/Jaman Burton youtube vlog talks about that in detail.
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Old 09-30-2020, 11:41 PM   #11879
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What I really don't understand is why people continue to patronize Stones. It seems to me that most people who understand poker also understand that Postle cheated and that someone who works for Stones or an affiliated company had to 1) be in on it or 2) run such a shoddy operation that they are liable based on gross negligence. How is that place not shut down from lack of business?
First of all, great post. Welcome to the thread.

To this quoted portion, I'll speak only for myself on this one. In fairness, I haven't been to any card room in a while, plus it's hard to answer the question right now in the current situation with COVID, etc. That does affect things. For example, Stones has reopened with outdoor seating, but it could mean they do not have their full bar/food facilities in gear, which lessens the draw for me.

In a non-COVID world, Stones is by far my No. 1 choice for this area: friendly staff, friendlier clientele, plus kick-ass food and drink. So from a purely practical standpoint, I wouldn't/don't have any reservations about playing at Stones.

In terms of game integrity, I also wouldn't be worried because all of the cheating happened on the video stream; in fact, it happened because of the video stream. Oddly, part of the reason I started visiting Stones is that the play of one of its area competitors (Capitol Casino) seemed shady during the few times I went.

However...

In terms of principles, yes, I can 100 percent get behind people wanting to boycott the room just to make a statement. It's not usually my kind of thing to do, but if I was a more frequent visitor to live poker overall, even I would consider taking my business to Thunder Valley for a while. It would be a nominal little F-you, vote-with-your-wallet move, since my minuscule contribution to the rake and my $50 bar tab would not be missed on Stones' bottom line.

Keep in mind, this is my take, and even I have given two reasons why I would still play there, and only one reason why I might not. Now imagine all of the players who simply don't know or don't care about this controversy. Then think how many people (like Lon McEachern) are on the side that there was no wrongdoing at all. After that, think how many people acknowledge there were likely shenanigans at one point, but that Stones and/or its staff did zero wrong. After all, this was the official statement given by the opposing attorney. (Plus, this was announced in the newspaper... it must be right!)

Add that up, and ta da... there's your steady stream of business.

For what it's worth, if I did play there, and if I did ship a tournament, you better believe my tip is going directly into the dealers' hands and won't be handed to the TD.
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:25 AM   #11880
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Postle is suing lots of people for defamation.

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Old 10-02-2020, 02:33 AM   #11881
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Am I reading that last part correctly that he's suing 1000 other unnamed parties as well? That's a lot of defendants. At least one of them must have $330 mil somewhere.
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:50 AM   #11882
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Can anonymous 2+2 posters in this thread be sued?
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Old 10-02-2020, 02:53 AM   #11883
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Postle is suing lots of people for defamation.


Well, well, how the turntables.
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Old 10-02-2020, 03:10 AM   #11884
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This is amazing. I'm hoping for maximum bloodbath.
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Old 10-02-2020, 03:29 AM   #11885
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Can anonymous 2+2 posters in this thread be sued?
Yes. You subpoena 2p2 , get their IP address and then subpoena their ISP for their info.

This is an interesting strategy. I imagine he is trying to get some settlement money without going to court. Will probably work
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Old 10-02-2020, 03:31 AM   #11886
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he's got to sue if he's continuing the innocent charade
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:11 AM   #11887
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Does this not open himself up to be subpoenaed himself? Will he have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't cheating in order to win? Isn't this what the poker world wanted?

Will chip in a hundred towards Veronica's legal bills. I'm sure a lot of 2+2ers will?
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:14 AM   #11888
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Am I reading that last part correctly that he's suing 1000 other unnamed parties as well? That's a lot of defendants. At least one of them must have $330 mil somewhere.
It's standard to add John Does to a suit in case you want to add other people later on.

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Does this not open himself up to be subpoenaed himself? Will he have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't cheating in order to win? Isn't this what the poker world wanted?

Will chip in a hundred towards Veronica's legal bills. I'm sure a lot of 2+2ers will?

Yeah, seems really risky? Don't get why'd he do this
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:16 AM   #11889
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Yes. You subpoena 2p2 , get their IP address and then subpoena their ISP for their info.

This is an interesting strategy. I imagine he is trying to get some settlement money without going to court. Will probably work

I think it will work too.

Do these guys want to spend $50k proving they’re right vs $5k to make it go away?
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:22 AM   #11890
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Yeah, seems really risky? Don't get why'd he do this
Greed?
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:28 AM   #11891
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Does this not open himself up to be subpoenaed himself? Will he have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't cheating in order to win? Isn't this what the poker world wanted?

Will chip in a hundred towards Veronica's legal bills. I'm sure a lot of 2+2ers will?
He can try for summary judgement where he presents all the evidence of the case and tells the judge hey let’s just end this right now if possible. Judge can decide without jury etc.

But he’s if he sues then he opens himself up for being subpoenaed and all that, but civil court doesn’t have the reasonable doubt requirement.

Tbh unless these people are getting paid on a contingency plan I don’t see him being able to afford attorneys for long
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Old 10-02-2020, 06:05 AM   #11892
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Todd Witteles posted on Twitter that he was also getting sued.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:15 AM   #11893
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Will he have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't cheating in order to win?
No.

If you accuse publicly that someone is a murderer then you have to prove it. Otherwise you make a criminal act. Could end up being very costly.

Mistake Postle is making here, is that you should sue your main targets not everyone. Brill, Ingram, Polk, ESPN is more like it. But then probably just first phase, where every possible name is named.

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Old 10-02-2020, 07:23 AM   #11894
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what a **** I hope he ends up bankrupting whatever $ he gets from the documentary

Also I hope he reads about how unliked he is and how irredeemable his position in the poker world, cheating scum Mike Postle
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:26 AM   #11895
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Also I hope he reads about how unliked he is and how irredeemable his position in the poker world, cheating scum Mike Postle
This is exactly why Postle have good possibility to make big money from this.

Ingram, Polk and ESPN are businesses. You can not ruin reputations without clear good evidence. Or you can, but then it can easily make a very big payday for your victim.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:34 AM   #11896
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This is exactly why Postle have good possibility to make big money from this.

Ingram, Polk and ESPN are businesses. You can not ruin reputations without clear good evidence. Or you can, but then it can easily make a very big payday for your victim.
Everyone involved in the poker world knows he cheated and galfond/berkey team are putting together their investigation 2.0 to put to bed any reasonable doubt some random recs have. Hope it becomes relevant if this joke of a lawsuit even makes it to court and isn't immediately dismissed.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:34 AM   #11897
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Postle will be ruled a limited-purpose public figure (Stones celebrity status, Matusow interview, Wired statements, documentary participation) or an involuntary public figure, be unable to prove the resultant heightened standard of actual malice, and the case will get dismissed.

Postle could have just slunk away after the civil suit and tried to put his life back together (barring further actions against him), but instead he has decided to try to take a drink from a fire hose. He just directly incentivized a whole lot of people who have significantly more money than him and who previously didn't care too much either way, to take action.

This is not going to go well for him, and he'll have no one to blame but himself when it's over and done with.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:39 AM   #11898
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Everyone involved in the poker world knows he cheated and galfond/berkey team are putting together their investigation 2.0 to put to bed any reasonable doubt some random recs have. Hope it becomes relevant if this joke of a lawsuit even makes it to court and isn't immediately dismissed.
Everyone knows that O.J. Simpson is a murderer. Does not mean a ****. If ESPN would say it they would be a big time legal trouble.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:49 AM   #11899
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This is exactly why Postle have good possibility to make big money from this.

Ingram, Polk and ESPN are businesses. You can not ruin reputations without clear good evidence. Or you can, but then it can easily make a very big payday for your victim.
This is actually a ridiculous case for him to make. They can't prove he cheated. He can't prove their accusations were false and he can't prove that he didn't cheat and that their allegations were false and malicious.

Postle clearly has a loose grip on reality/ is a liar, all that nonsense in his interview with Matusow about his past poker successes.

But this is clearly tactical, attack is the best form of defence, so by doing this he is trying to shut public discussion of his cheating on the streamed shows from Stones casino.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:54 AM   #11900
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He can't prove their accusations were false and he can't prove that he didn't cheat and that their allegations were false and malicious.
It just does not work like that.

Postle DOES NOT need to prove their accusations were false. It's not how it goes in court. They are not at all intrested about that.

Everyone knows that O.J. Simpson is a murderer is not enough of proof.
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