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Old 10-02-2019, 02:28 PM   #1151
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I am personally enjoying the action and looking at all hands in general. I haven't found any bad plays at this point.

Nothing will be proven one way or the other from going over hands anyway. This is the type of thing that isn't ever proven at the poker table itself.

I see you only pay attention and make quality posts when the casino is paying you to pay attention in the threads I should have told you to stop sucking casino dick during that thread.
I kind of agree with you on everything so feel a bit double about posting this. But wtf would this be? https://youtu.be/AhjpQ2E17Ao?t=10326

Some kind of image donation? Or just a failure of his cheating?
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:28 PM   #1152
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make sure yall are saving the videos.

this POS will be sweating right now as will the casino owners
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:28 PM   #1153
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I need to hire some of you for my future investigation task force team

Nice ****ing work
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:32 PM   #1154
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I have seen a lot of the video evidence. and I may be the only one who thinks this, but I am not convinced that he is cheating.

This is one of those things that you don’t want to say in public because it shows your complete lack of logic and inability to understand statistics and probability in Poker.


Mike Postle has done the equivalent of someone winning the MegaBall on Friday then the PowerBall on Saturday.

Simply put, he cheated.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:33 PM   #1155
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It looks like Postle deleted his most recent tweets challenging a dude to HU and offering $10 a hand to go through streams and find hands where he shipped it to someone.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:34 PM   #1156
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Nope. That is a cheating/trick tool, but it's irrelevant here.
Nope. Similar devices have been used to cheat in chess. Not here.

Nope.

Nope.

That would be far too complicated when there is a blindingly obvious method of finding out the hole cards instead.

Again, possible, but unnecessary.

Video feed.

The reason why he takes a few seconds to decipher who has which hand is because he's literally watching the (secret) live stream on his phone, and basically has to memorize 7-8 players' hands quickly and decide on a post-flop plan. (That requires some skill, but I'm sure you can get quite good at it with practice).
It's my understanding that the hole-card graphics for the stream are displayed automatically on the PC used for broadcasting by software connected to the room's RFID system. The equities are also calculated by the software and updated on-the-fly.
The stream might be broadcast on Twitch half an hour later, but all the video footage and graphical overlays go into the broadcaster/director's computer, presumably in a room near the commentators, and is then uploaded to Twitch, right there at almost the same time as hands are being played. (When live streaming, you can set Twitch to only make it generally available later).

From the streaming/broadcast computer, it could also be beamed via Teamviewer (or similar) directly to Postle's phone. He could have set up a remote viewing app on the PC at some point in the past, or he has a co-conspirator in front of the computer monitor who films the screen with his phone for a live video-call direct to Postle's lap. Both these methods introduce a little bit of latency, but having the actual broadcast footage (with holecards displayed) sent to your phone is so much simpler than any other method.

If this is hard to get your head around, just imagine you're streaming online poker on twitch with a 10 minute delay, but there is someone behind you pointing his phone at your monitor while he's on skype with a friend on the other side of the world. That friend would know your holecards a few milliseconds after you do, and almost 10 minutes before Twitch viewers, without a single word being uttered. (This same principle is used by "superusers" for in-play betting on individual points in worldwide tennis matches.)

The scariest thing about this cheating method is that it could be (and probably has been) used by anyone with access to the broadcasting/uploading computer (or the technician monitoring it) at any event that is streamed with RFID holecards up, with or without a delay on the broadcast. It doesn't even matter if the commentators do voiceovers later. The actual live footage with holecards up can be seen by a computer technician (or a poker room manager), and/or sent to a "friend" immediately.

Cliffs: I think he's literally watching the stream (with holecards up) more or less live as it happens, half an hour before it's available to everyone else.

I agree, he probably just has a team viewer on the production PC and casts it to his phone. Thant would make the most sense.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:35 PM   #1157
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I think continuing to focus on individual hands as if they're the proof he's cheating is a mistake and sort of missing the forest for the trees. It opens the door for an easy and in arguable defense, which is that just about all of these hands, in isolation, are hands that can and have existed without cheating. We've seen someone fold kings pre, we've seen someone fold AK on K84xxy to a crai, we've seen someone bluff-catch with A hi, etc etc etc. It is important to stress what matters here isn't the individual hands, it is the juxtaposition of how these hands are played (putting in multiple bets/hundreds of BBs pre with 95o/54o, folding kings pre), and the unsustainable rate at which his seemingly random decisions are correct. The larger the sample size of these hands gets, the more likely it is he's receiving some assistance.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:36 PM   #1158
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To get a precise view on his success in a session one would need to know:

1. Number of hands Postle played to the turn or river
2. Number of hands Postle won that played to the turn or river
3. Number of hands where Postle’s last action was to check or fold when behind on the turn or river
4. Number of hands where his last action was to bet when ahead on the turn or river

These would show how clearly he was reading his opponent.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:37 PM   #1159
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Postle - Verb - Poker term - To make a play, on purpose or by accident, that is extremely unlikely to be profitable unless one's opponent has a particular narrow range of hands, and does.

syn. Hero-call/raise/fold, soul-read.

Origin - ...

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From the little I've seen, I'd say Brill's commentary is like Joey's, "I'm not sayin' he's cheating, he's just GOD". Like she's trying hard to point out that he must be cheating without actually saying it.

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God himself, on his sickest upswing, isn't doing half of what Postle did.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:38 PM   #1160
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Joey is simply amazing


I think it's harsh to start criticising people for allegedly not speaking up. No one would have gone through as many hands as Joey has. As Kasey said, who knows who you can and cannot trust? At least one person did raise their concerns to management, for all we know, others did too to varying degrees. The casino did a review. Those with suspicions have probably been second guessing themselves. Maybe people wanted more evidence, maybe people knew that they would cop criticism or be ostracised if they said or did anything. The only blame, if any, should be reserved for those that are involved in what looks to be cheating.
Yes I agree, I wasnt trying to criticise people for not speaking up. Apologies that it came across that way. My point was basically just well done to Veronica!
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:38 PM   #1161
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I think continuing to focus on individual hands as if they're the proof he's cheating is a mistake and sort of missing the forest for the trees. It opens the door for an easy and in arguable defense, which is that just about all of these hands, in isolation, are hands that can and have existed without cheating. We've seen someone fold kings pre, we've seen someone fold AK on K84xxy to a crai, we've seen someone bluff-catch with A hi, etc etc etc. It is important to stress what matters here isn't the individual hands, it is the juxtaposition of how these hands are played (putting in multiple bets/hundreds of BBs pre with 95o/54o, folding kings pre), and the unsustainable rate at which his seemingly random decisions are correct. The larger the sample size of these hands gets, the more likely it is he's receiving some assistance.
iF js84s numbers are correct just use variance calculator to show its next to impossible.. That should be more than enough even for a court. Lets say 4 dead bodies where found with sperm all over them. And the DNA Test says its Mike''s . The DNA Test being wrong is more likely than him not cheating
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:39 PM   #1162
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What would everyone consider an appropriate response if you were accused of cheating on stream, and you didn’t?
he should take the durrrr challenge
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:41 PM   #1163
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make sure yall are saving the videos.

this POS will be sweating right now as will the casino owners
if anyone has the room on their pc/mac to save the yt vids, i dont, you can use a program called youtubedl

completely free and legit and how youtubers dl vids, requires minimal use of terminal/command line but its so ez a baby could learn to use it.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:42 PM   #1164
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I couldn't help but burst out laughing when I saw this

https://youtu.be/_dFzke6mn0M?t=5302
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:43 PM   #1165
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If your numbers are correct and we play devils advocate... Lets say he has an absurd real high winrate of 50bb/100 .. Due to Straddles lets say the average big blind is 10. According to your spreadsheet he would have a winrate over those 277 hours (30hands/hour) of 300bb/100. Lets ask cashgame variance calculator how likely such a run would be....

For some reason Image posting doesnt work. So here is the link:

https://imgur.com/ygXiYny

So its defintely less likely than 1 in 4 Million(otherwise the last digit would have been rounded from 0 i suppose) even IF HES THE GOD SENT TO EARTH WHO PLAYED LIVE POKER.
In Particle Physics that would already meet the standards of a discovery. Dont know about DNA odds..
Based on the assumption that the stats Js provided are correct.
30 hands an hour is way too high for this stream. i was thinking more like 15
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:43 PM   #1166
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I think something in the teamviewer style would make the most sense.

a} he takes a long time looking at his 'cards'. the streams graphics are sometimes laggy.

b} he looks down multiple times on certain hands, maybe when he has forgotten holdings multi-way.

c) would also make it easier to just be a 2 man operation. All Justin had to do was set up the programme on the machine and let Mike do his thing. Maybe they weren't totally braindead to leave the programme on the computer all the time and installed/uninstalled every stream. Would explain why Mike couldn't superuser without Justin there as no 3rd man to fill in.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:46 PM   #1167
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30 hands an hour is way too high for this stream. i was thinking more like 15
True they play really slow. That would make even more of a case of him cheating since it would boost his winrate to double
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:46 PM   #1168
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WTF does that mean!!! Where is everybodys proof!!! Its like The life of Brian from Monty Python here IMO... screaming for screamings sake... put up or shut up!!! #liedetector!!!!!

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Old 10-02-2019, 02:47 PM   #1169
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Just contributing to the crotch thing

https://youtu.be/xUMt--bML6o?t=13744

3:49:05 - standard card check with two people standing behind (its 6d5d, not that hard to remember)
3:49:27 - going for the neck extreme tilt "card check" before the camera cuts away, noones behind
3:50:10 - neck extreme tilt "card check" again

Has anyone noted how frequently/what duration he checks his hole cards? Or is this approach just
Also looks several times to see if anyone is watching him.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:50 PM   #1170
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The 88 vs TT hand, he's stupid to not just chkfold the turn, wouldnt be the most OOL thing he did. Also he should play faster instead of do these stupid fake tanks since his winrate is like $1700/h in this game

Btw its now becoming somewhat clear that Justin is in on it, as I said earlier
the thing is while he's super greedy he will throw away very small amounts to try and look like he's not cheating. like the 40 dollar river call he makes that he tweeted about.
he throws 80 away on the turn here since it's pretty normal to bet this board again with 88.and he can say see if i was cheating why am i betting into top full. if he gets raised he folds. he's gonna check fold any river. but then to his shock he 2 out boats so he has to at least call the 200.as absurd as check calling is, check folding or bet folding would be way more absurd so he has no choice but to burn 200 more.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:50 PM   #1171
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Justin Kuraitis is either in on it or grossly incompetent. Defending Mike Postle after it's blatantly apparent there is cheating going on. Either way he should be fired and investigated by the authorities.

Do not let this man keep his job people!
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:51 PM   #1172
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Also looks several times to see if anyone is watching him.
You sre saying the Casino is not aware of this? Jesus, last time l was in one I had 5 guys surround me for scratching my ankle!! @fail

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Old 10-02-2019, 02:53 PM   #1173
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If Joey or Doug were willing to start a gofundme and overlook a civil lawsuit against Mike for the players involved, I would donate a bill or two.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:55 PM   #1174
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Shut it down
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:56 PM   #1175
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His attempts at defending himself on Twitter tell me that he's actually quite clueless about poker. "I just have good instincts! I am good at live tells! Here's a hand where I lose $40 so I must not be cheating!"
He is terrible at poker, its very clear from all the hands he was involved in, he is a clueless. Its very easy to see if you are a poker player that he knows nothing about poker or just completely ******ed and very low IQ.
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