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Old 09-23-2020, 08:10 PM   #11701
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Was Veronica incompetent human being, before her lightbulb moment? After lightbulb she is living superhero.



Why they don't tell to IRS that they have 100% clear evidence of wrongdoing. As they state casinos are under a license, and there is no tolerance from goverment to cheat a taxman. How stupid it is to gossip in social media about wrongdoings instead of just contacting IRS.
People "gossiped" on social media about Postle cheating and now he can't cheat anymore. Doesn't seem so stupid.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:18 PM   #11702
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I agree with your analysis that he makes very very fishy plays. The issue is all of his fishy plays seem to work out. With the kinds of bad fundamental plays he makes, there should be countless examples of him bluffing into the nuts, hero calling against the nuts, etc. The whole argument against postle is in the entirety of his hands, not in any one specific play. I'm sure any hands in isolation, another fish has made a similar play. All of the analysis is in the context of him being one of the biggest winners of all time live (in terms of bb/100). If he was a losing player, nobody would think twice about these plays, because, as you stated, that's how fishy players play. For example, I've never won allin preflop with 54o for >100bb, and I'm sure lots of fish have. The issue: how is he winning overall while making these terrible plays, and how are all his terrible plays so well timed?
Thank you. I had the same response reading that long post, and knew someone would sum it up well (and more succinctly than I would have). Did not disappoint.

I've bolded one part because I find it so vexing that Postle's defenders continue to fire claims of "cherry picking." Clearly, they don't seem to get that these suspect hands are examples, not exceptions.

One little project that might be worth pursuing: as Galfond's team pores through Postle hands yet again, they will assemble statistics such as street-by-street aggression factor, etc. (I know, duh, that's the whole point of doing it.) But I would also love to see how these compare to a top-level player, like Galfond himself. It would almost be a control case, with Postle being the experimental case.

The big takes I would enjoy – in a quantitative manner – are how often an elite player suffers the business end of a cooler, or runs a bluff into a monster hand. Because the oft-repeated point is that this never happened to Postle. So much so, in fact, that he was offering a reward to people who could find hands in which he DID do this, and apparently got no takers.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:28 PM   #11703
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Thank you. I had the same response reading that long post, and knew someone would sum it up well (and more succinctly than I would have). Did not disappoint.

I've bolded one part because I find it so vexing that Postle's defenders continue to fire claims of "cherry picking." Clearly, they don't seem to get that these suspect hands are examples, not exceptions.

One little project that might be worth pursuing: as Galfond's team pores through Postle hands yet again, they will assemble statistics such as street-by-street aggression factor, etc. (I know, duh, that's the whole point of doing it.) But I would also love to see how these compare to a top-level player, like Galfond himself. It would almost be a control case, with Postle being the experimental case.

The big takes I would enjoy – in a quantitative manner – are how often an elite player suffers the business end of a cooler, or runs a bluff into a monster hand. Because the oft-repeated point is that this never happened to Postle. So much so, in fact, that he was offering a reward to people who could find hands in which he DID do this, and apparently got no takers.
One common thing about the Postle defenders is when you ask them to explain hands and reasoning directly related to cheating they totally ignore it without fail everytime. They refer attention back to frivolous things like "he lost more in that one session" or "hey he played this one hand like a normal person."

It's like if they can pick out a few hands where he didn't cheat that refutes everything else that clearly shows he did.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:55 PM   #11704
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I don't see how anyone who played professionally for 15 years could get allin with 54o with 100xBB if he wasn't cheating.
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:02 PM   #11705
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Still really hard to determine if Justin was in on it or is just really that incompetent of a human being....50/50.
Oh man, I'm sure I'm the 371st person in the last hour to say some version of this, but every time he Tweets (or responds to Tweets), my suspicion over his involvement rises. Like you, I have been on the fence since this story broke.

Let's pretend for a minute that he flat-out didn't have anything to do with it, that he was among the duped all that time just like Veronica and Chris Glasgow and Kasey Mills and everyone in the booth. Shouldn't that also mean he's still unsure whether or not Postle cheated?

Of course, he could simply be digging in so he doesn't have to walk back his initial "we found no evidence" claim from September (which remains the strongest strike against him in my mind).

Even O.J. had enough sense to say he intended to "track down the real killers." He DIDN'T suddenly go on a two-week tirade about how Ron and Nicole were actually killed by rabid wolves, and anyone who thinks otherwise are a bunch of brainwashed assclowns.
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:23 PM   #11706
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Yeh, it doesn't make sense. If Justin wasn't involved, why would he be making such as issue that Postle didn't cheat? As the director of the live stream, he should just say that he found no evidence of cheating.
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:58 PM   #11707
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Why they don't tell to IRS that they have 100% clear evidence of wrongdoing. As they state casinos are under a license, and there is no tolerance from goverment to cheat a taxman. How stupid it is to gossip in social media about wrongdoings instead of just contacting IRS.
i hope you're not this dumb and are just trolling but i don't think anyone is claiming he cheated his tax returns?
i mean he probably does but...........
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:36 PM   #11708
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i hope you're not this dumb and are just trolling but i don't think anyone is claiming he cheated his tax returns?
i mean he probably does but...........
Why would any professional gambler use structuring, if not for cheating in taxes?

https://www.goldinglawyers.com/struc...aud-blueprint/

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These guys should contact to law enforcement. They say there is wrong doing and care enough to discuss about it in Youtube. No way to leave it here.

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Old 09-24-2020, 01:38 AM   #11709
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Justin told Veronica Stones had done an investigation of Postle and found him innocent, is there any evidence that such an investigation was ever done? If not, his failing to act on a concern about a player should surely be a disciplinary matter, as you can't have casino managers ignoring cheating allegations against a player and it is amazing he is still employed by Stones, all it needs now is for Postle go start playing there again and Stones will have completed the circle of acting as though nothing bad ever happened there.
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Old 09-24-2020, 07:54 AM   #11710
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I still want to know why Veronica continued to invite him to play in her game many, many times AFTER she suspected him of cheating her and her friends.
Did she have a crush on him?
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Old 09-24-2020, 09:48 AM   #11711
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OFC, you keep Kuritas on the payroll if you own Stones. Stones was also paying for the lawyer to defend him. He is the guy that can create liability for Stones. You pay his wages to keep him in your tent. On her last podcast, Brill did not seem to understand that an unpaid leave of absence is just a pr phrase for being fired.

Once the SOL expires and the non-settling Plaintiffs don’t timely appeal/amend the complaint, Kuritas will “agree to terminate his employment” with Stones.
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:09 AM   #11712
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I still want to know why Veronica continued to invite him to play in her game many, many times AFTER she suspected him of cheating her and her friends.
Did she have a crush on him?
As far as in the context of whether MP cheated or not, this is irrelevant.
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:17 AM   #11713
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I still want to know why Veronica continued to invite him to play in her game many, many times AFTER she suspected him of cheating her and her friends.
Did she have a crush on him?
Did you see him play with out the cheating device, the dude was fish out of water heck i would invite him to my game anytime, even right now, the problem is no one in they right mind would play with him after this.
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:36 AM   #11714
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I still want to know why Veronica continued to invite him to play in her game many, many times AFTER she suspected him of cheating her and her friends.
Did she have a crush on him?
Pro tip: You can also breathe through your nose.

General comment on Justin: Right now, my money is on the theory that he was too dumb to see that cheating was going on.

On Twitter he wrote 'If Mike cheated **** him! If he didn't **** all of you!'

His letter was mostly about how his own life is ruined, not about Postle. Out the outset of all this, I think Justin was too dumb to understand the odds of a lagfish play winning any substantial amount over a high sample size.

No idea how anyone can view the Marle Cordeiro hand and think aggro lagfish Postle isn't cheating. He folds the turn with top pair and straight draw, to a small bet. Of course, he does this because he knows Marle already flopped the nut straight, so he only has 3 outs.

Here's the direct link to the hand:
https://youtu.be/6w4TguWyUH0?t=18698

edit: Is YouTube embedding broken on 2p2?
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:54 AM   #11715
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As far as in the context of whether MP cheated or not, this is irrelevant.
So she suspects him of cheating, of essentially stealing money from people, and invites him to steal more money from her and her friends and this is irrelvant?
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:58 AM   #11716
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Pro tip: You can also breathe through your nose.

General comment on Justin: Right now, my money is on the theory that he was too dumb to see that cheating was going on.

On Twitter he wrote 'If Mike cheated **** him! If he didn't **** all of you!'

His letter was mostly about how his own life is ruined, not about Postle. Out the outset of all this, I think Justin was too dumb to understand the odds of a lagfish play winning any substantial amount over a high sample size.

No idea how anyone can view the Marle Cordeiro hand and think aggro lagfish Postle isn't cheating. He folds the turn with top pair and straight draw, to a small bet. Of course, he does this because he knows Marle already flopped the nut straight, so he only has 3 outs.

Here's the direct link to the hand:
https://youtu.be/6w4TguWyUH0?t=18698

edit: Is YouTube embedding broken on 2p2?
Pro tip: When you think someone is cheating and stealilng from you, you don't make it easier for them to keep doing it.
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:05 AM   #11717
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Pro tip: When you think someone is cheating and stealilng from you, you don't make it easier for them to keep doing it.
She's explained that she didn't have hard evidence at that time. She's also explained numerous times that she questioned herself after talking with Justin... she started to doubt her own judgement. After the Marle hand, she felt completely certain, and she stopped working for Stones. Seems pretty clear to me.

Also, since this probably isn't clear to you, I was calling you a mouthbreather. Wtf is up with 'she's female, she did something I don't understand, so she must have wanted to get on his jock.'?
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:21 AM   #11718
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She's explained that she didn't have hard evidence at that time. She's also explained numerous times that she questioned herself after talking with Justin... she started to doubt her own judgement. After the Marle hand, she felt completely certain, and she stopped working for Stones. Seems pretty clear to me.

Also, since this probably isn't clear to you, I was calling you a mouthbreather. Wtf is up with 'she's female, she did something I don't understand, so she must have wanted to get on his jock.'?
Don’t get sucked in, he’s just a troll.
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:26 AM   #11719
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Don’t get sucked in, he’s just a troll.
Do you just follow me from thread to thread calling me names? Do you not have anything better to do than stalk me?
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:27 AM   #11720
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She's explained that she didn't have hard evidence at that time. She's also explained numerous times that she questioned herself after talking with Justin... she started to doubt her own judgement. After the Marle hand, she felt completely certain, and she stopped working for Stones. Seems pretty clear to me.

Also, since this probably isn't clear to you, I was calling you a mouthbreather. Wtf is up with 'she's female, she did something I don't understand, so she must have wanted to get on his jock.'?
1. English is not my first language.
2. She continued to invite him long after she not only suspected, but believed he was cheating.
3. Do we know for sure she quit and wasn't fired?
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:32 AM   #11721
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Do you just follow me from thread to thread calling me names? Do you not have anything better to do than stalk me?
Follow you? I was in this thread before you and have posted a lot more in here. If anything you followed me and have contributed nothing but your asinine psycho babble.

As evidenced by every response you have received from others itt. Are we all wrong?
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:34 AM   #11722
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No idea how anyone can view the Marle Cordeiro hand and think aggro lagfish Postle isn't cheating. He folds the turn with top pair and straight draw, to a small bet. Of course, he does this because he knows Marle already flopped the nut straight, so he only has 3 outs.
$600 into a pot of $760 is a small bet? What would have been a big bet?
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:46 AM   #11723
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I still want to know why Veronica continued to invite him to play in her game many, many times AFTER she suspected him of cheating her and her friends.
Did she have a crush on him?
Article posted a few pages back

He also talked about you still inviting Mike to your personal games…

Justin assured me that a company was coming in to check the servers and to make sure that the security was good. But I saw no evidence of that. He kept reassuring me that there was absolutely no cheating going on and I trusted him.

He also spent a lot of his free time gaslighting me, swearing that there is nothing going on. Saying that if there is cheating he would quit. Telling me how good of a guy Mike is, and how I am wrong.

I believed him! So did Kasey! Justin wanted me to put Mike in my game. Do you know how much I doubted myself after talking to him? And how much I trusted him? I would never in a million years have believed that he could be helping Mike.

But I was wrong.

He was helping him the entire time. It’s why he kicked out Roger Bailey from managing it, it’s why he had the head of I.T. kicked out of managing the tech booth. He wanted full control.
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:56 AM   #11724
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Everyone by now seems to know he was cheating, so there's not *much* point in posting this, but it's a hand I haven't seen discussed anywhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eYbMfvswe4 3:04:50 of this video.

$5/5 NLHE but it's a BOMB POT. All 7 players put in $50 blind, the dealer puts out the flop of T27 (pot $350)

Check, check, and AJ (UTG, stack $500) leads out for $100. Everyone folds to Mike (on the button, stack $3000) who calls.

Turn: 4 (pot $550)

AJ checks. Mike bets $100. AJ calls.

River: K (pot $750)

AJ checks. Mike bets $250 to put AJ all-in. AJ calls.

Results: AJ tables 99. Mike tables JT and wins the pot of $1,250.

Nice value shove on the river!!!
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Old 09-24-2020, 12:07 PM   #11725
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Everyone by now seems to know he was cheating, so there's not *much* point in posting this, but it's a hand I haven't seen discussed anywhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eYbMfvswe4 3:04:50 of this video.

$5/5 NLHE but it's a BOMB POT. All 7 players put in $50 blind, the dealer puts out the flop of T27 (pot $350)

Check, check, and AJ (UTG, stack $500) leads out for $100. Everyone folds to Mike (on the button, stack $3000) who calls.

Turn: 4 (pot $550)

AJ checks. Mike bets $100. AJ calls.

River: K (pot $750)

AJ checks. Mike bets $250 to put AJ all-in. AJ calls.

Results: AJ tables 99. Mike tables JT and wins the pot of $1,250.

Nice value shove on the river!!!
I see a dozen hands like this every night in my home game...now, if MP were to fold in this situation every time his opponent spiked a winner on the river, then we would have something to talk about.

Which of course he did!
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