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Old 09-23-2020, 02:56 PM   #11676
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he went on mike the mouths podcast, he claimed he was the biggest winner on ub......
He was NioNio all along? That would be quite the twist.
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Old 09-23-2020, 02:57 PM   #11677
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Has anyone ever tried to contact this person? I guess if they had any amount of common sense they would do the opposite of JFK and stay quiet and under the radar.
I joined the lawsuit with the hope of being involved with, or at the very least being kept apprised of, the investigation. Unfortunately that ended up not being the case and we were steered towards settling very early on.

Whereas I thought it was more likely that Justin was incompetent rather than complicit, I've always thought that it's more likely than not that a tech was involved.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get "timecards" to be able to correlate who was working the during the sessions where Postle's physical mannerisms, playstyle, and results all look suspicious. Maybe if we did, we'd find that certain technicians weren't working on nights Postle was conspicuously absent from larger, more profitable $5/$10 streamed games against the same player pool.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get cell phone records and interview employees. Maybe if we did, we'd find that Postle was friends with a certain technician before the cheating began.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get bank statements. Maybe if we did, we'd find that a certain technician went from struggling to get by to somehow putting a downpayment on a house, despite the stream shutting down and no longer having that income.

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Old 09-23-2020, 03:21 PM   #11678
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“How do you prove you're not cheating at poker? You go play poker,” Ingram says. “You would imagine that one of the best players you've ever seen in your life would have no issues saying, Let's play then. I can't really figure out an answer to why he won't do that.” The livestream audience for God's return would surely be immense.
Yes as we can read here Postle everyone would like to play Postle in warmly, friendly homegame fashion. Don't pretend to be stupid Ingram.

Ingram is PLO expert. And now our new, messiah Phil Galfond is going to explain to us why the way he things about NL is the only way to heaven. Man who clearly have no clue about NL these days and have not been playing in 15 years. But have big time value to pretend that Run It Once is way to go for everyone, and 100$/month for him is how it should go.

It's beyond stupid, that still there is no actual numbers out how much Postle won and even if it's more than you can win by running good.

And then Postle somehow have been 15 years small /middle stakes live poker pro, but, as common wisdom here says is -200bb/100 loser. Where his money have come? Why is man so ******, that he plays daily 15 years losing poker?

Ingram = money whore. Galfond = money whore. There are your gods.


First post: 09-29-2019, 05:40 PM

Two years gone, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd still no progress at all in the only question that is relevant. Postle cheated: so how did he do that? Nothing beyond wild stupid speculations. Using names of course, bc those are not real human beings and making money accusing they are cheaters without evidense is, of couse, totally ok.

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Old 09-23-2020, 03:31 PM   #11679
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It can't be a coincidence that all the random new account Postle defending trolls are all illeterate right?
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:33 PM   #11680
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Yes as we can read here Postle everyone would like to play Postle in warmly, friendly homegame fashion. Don't pretend to be stupid Ingram.

Ingram is PLO expert. And now new home, messiah Phil Galfond is going to explain to us why the way he things about NL is the only way to heaven. Man who clearly have no clue about NL these days and have not been playing in 15 years. But have big time value to pretend that Run It Once is way to go for everyone, and 100$/month for him is how it should go.

It's beyond stupid, that still there is no actual numbers out how much Postle won and even if it's more than you can win by running good.

And then Postle somehow have been 15 years small /middle stakes live poker pro, but, as common wisdom here says is -200bb/100 loser. Where his money have come? Why is man so ******, that he plays daily 15 years losing poker?

Ingram = money whore. Galfond = money whore. There are your gods.
Explain this hand, please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZibOC0gmI
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:39 PM   #11681
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I joined the lawsuit with the hope of being involved with, or at the very least being kept apprised of, the investigation. Unfortunately that ended up not being the case and we were steered towards settling very early on.

Whereas I thought it was more likely that Justin was incompetent rather than complicit, I've always thought that it's more likely than not that a tech was involved.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get "timecards" to be able to correlate who was working the during the sessions where Postle's physical mannerisms, playstyle, and results all look suspicious. Maybe if we did, we'd find that certain technicians weren't working on nights Postle was conspicuously absent from larger, more profitable $5/$10 streamed games against the same player pool.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get cell phone records and interview employees. Maybe if we did, we'd find that Postle was friends with a certain technician before the cheating began.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get bank statements. Maybe if we did, we'd find that a certain technician went from struggling to get by to somehow putting a downpayment on a house, despite the stream shutting down and no longer having that income.
You would really need the tech to talk but with NDA's they probably can't. Without their cooperation they are of no value.
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:39 PM   #11682
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I joined the lawsuit with the hope of being involved with, or at the very least being kept apprised of, the investigation. Unfortunately that ended up not being the case and we were steered towards settling very early on.

Whereas I thought it was more likely that Justin was incompetent rather than complicit, I've always thought that it's more likely than not that a tech was involved.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get "timecards" to be able to correlate who was working the during the sessions where Postle's physical mannerisms, playstyle, and results all look suspicious. Maybe if we did, we'd find that certain technicians weren't working on nights Postle was conspicuously absent from larger, more profitable $5/$10 streamed games against the same player pool.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get cell phone records and interview employees. Maybe if we did, we'd find that Postle was friends with a certain technician before the cheating began.

I was hopeful we'd be able to get bank statements. Maybe if we did, we'd find that a certain technician went from struggling to get by to somehow putting a downpayment on a house, despite the stream shutting down and no longer having that income.
Did you accept the settlement payment offered from Stones ?

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Old 09-23-2020, 03:58 PM   #11683
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Yes as we can read here Postle everyone would like to play Postle in warmly, friendly homegame fashion. Don't pretend to be stupid Ingram.

Ingram is PLO expert. And now our new, messiah Phil Galfond is going to explain to us why the way he things about NL is the only way to heaven. Man who clearly have no clue about NL these days and have not been playing in 15 years. But have big time value to pretend that Run It Once is way to go for everyone, and 100$/month for him is how it should go.

It's beyond stupid, that still there is no actual numbers out how much Postle won and even if it's more than you can win by running good.

And then Postle somehow have been 15 years small /middle stakes live poker pro, but, as common wisdom here says is -200bb/100 loser. Where his money have come? Why is man so ******, that he plays daily 15 years losing poker?

Ingram = money whore. Galfond = money whore. There are your gods.


First post: 09-29-2019, 05:40 PM

Two years gone, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd still no progress at all in the only question that is relevant. Postle cheated: so how did he do that? Nothing beyond wild stupid speculations. Using names of course, bc those are not real human beings and making money accusing they are cheaters without evidense is, of couse, totally ok.
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:59 PM   #11684
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Did you accept the settlement payment offered from Stones ?
I did not.
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:03 PM   #11685
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On Bart Hanson's latest youtube video, he relates the Mike structured his cash outs in an illegal way. Maybe this is a way to get the IRS involved. Apparently JFK knew this was going on, and it would be easy to trace.
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:05 PM   #11686
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He had to have an accomplice during the hand where they changed the graphics. There was that hand where on the river, Postle and another guy both have 8 high and 9 high respectively and both missed gutshot draws. Postle bluffs on the river, the other guy bluff raises almost all in, then Postle shoves and the guy folds. The commentators are going crazy and then they get the news from someone that the graphics are wrong and apparently Postle's 86o for a missed straight was actually 89s for the nut straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJJeavp6RHo

Who changed the graphics? JFK? Or some other unknown person or people working in the tech booth?
To answer your question simply, it was someone in the tech booth. However, if you read my post on this issue this actual hand doesn't prove anything as their was a culture of this behavior before (tech changing the cards to something that made more "sense" without knowing the actual holdings) because their were so many complaints from players that their cards showed up wrong in big pots.

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Old 09-23-2020, 04:06 PM   #11687
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honestly the theory put forward in the Wired article seems like the most plausible at this point because its the only one that allows him to leave no tangible evidence if he has an accomplice.

he got access to the booth and planted a hidden camera aimed directly at the production monitor and then uses an app on his phone to access the feed.

its possible at some point later on he passes this risk off to someone else who feeds him the data instead of watching it live himself.

because stones is incompetent / negligent they do not keep logs or restrict access to the booth, and once accusations are made the camera is removed and the phone is wiped clean.
It was established long ago that the software has a feature that allows the graphic feed of the cards to be streamed to any windows media client that connects to the server running the software.
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:10 PM   #11688
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First post: 09-29-2019, 05:40 PM

Two years gone, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd still no progress at all in the only question that is relevant. Postle cheated: so how did he do that? Nothing beyond wild stupid speculations. Using names of course, bc those are not real human beings and making money accusing they are cheaters without evidense is, of couse, totally ok.
This idiot doesn't even realise what year it is.

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Old 09-23-2020, 04:12 PM   #11689
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On Bart Hanson's latest youtube video, he relates the Mike structured his cash outs in an illegal way. Maybe this is a way to get the IRS involved. Apparently JFK knew this was going on, and it would be easy to trace.
Timestamp for that? Why are they not going to tell that to IRS. And why not first tell them, before social media? To try second time mess it up so that there is no evidence bc information is out there before any authority knows it? How stupid is that.
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:15 PM   #11690
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFWkgH4bDWs

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Old 09-23-2020, 04:26 PM   #11691
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Thanks for posting. I've not seen that hand / hasn't been one of the big ones talked about, but well explained by Doug - 8 or a Q can turn it into a very profitable run out.

Or? Hit top pair and fold to a $50 bet? Come onnnnnnn.
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:26 PM   #11692
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Timestamp for that? Why are they not going to tell that to IRS. And why not first tell them, before social media? To try second time mess it up so that there is no evidence bc information is out there before any authority knows it? How stupid is that.
So no comment on the hand where he clearly cheated huh?

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Old 09-23-2020, 04:52 PM   #11693
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Either Mike is a cheating player or he is a fish just like me.
I agree with your analysis that he makes very very fishy plays. The issue is all of his fishy plays seem to work out. With the kinds of bad fundamental plays he makes, there should be countless examples of him bluffing into the nuts, hero calling against the nuts, etc. The whole argument against postle is in the entirety of his hands, not in any one specific play. I'm sure any hands in isolation, another fish has made a similar play. All of the analysis is in the context of him being one of the biggest winners of all time live (in terms of bb/100). If he was a losing player, nobody would think twice about these plays, because, as you stated, that's how fishy players play. For example, I've never won allin preflop with 54o for >100bb, and I'm sure lots of fish have. The issue: how is he winning overall while making these terrible plays, and how are all his terrible plays so well timed?
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Old 09-23-2020, 04:56 PM   #11694
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Yes as we can read here Postle everyone would like to play Postle in warmly, friendly homegame fashion. Don't pretend to be stupid Ingram.

Ingram is PLO expert. And now our new, messiah Phil Galfond is going to explain to us why the way he things about NL is the only way to heaven. Man who clearly have no clue about NL these days and have not been playing in 15 years. But have big time value to pretend that Run It Once is way to go for everyone, and 100$/month for him is how it should go.

It's beyond stupid, that still there is no actual numbers out how much Postle won and even if it's more than you can win by running good.

And then Postle somehow have been 15 years small /middle stakes live poker pro, but, as common wisdom here says is -200bb/100 loser. Where his money have come? Why is man so ******, that he plays daily 15 years losing poker?

Ingram = money whore. Galfond = money whore. There are your gods.


First post: 09-29-2019, 05:40 PM

Two years gone, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd still no progress at all in the only question that is relevant. Postle cheated: so how did he do that? Nothing beyond wild stupid speculations. Using names of course, bc those are not real human beings and making money accusing they are cheaters without evidense is, of couse, totally ok.
Congrats on an utterly stupid post. Truly.

Just the suggestion that Galfond or Ingram are money whores shows how clueless you are and suffering from an advanced case of the dumb, confirmed by the rest of the nonsense you wrote.
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:02 PM   #11695
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They have not disclosed the methods and details of their investigation with the public or with the plaintiffs. The only person that saw it was VerStandig, whom had to agree to an NDA in order to view it.
I am not saying this did not happen but it is nonsensical. I have never seen an NDA/confidentiality agreement on discovery during litigation (that was not a class action) that would preclude an attorney from sharing the information with his clients and experts.
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:08 PM   #11696
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EternalRaise. Can't wait for them to get blasted here and have another brand new account posting in this thread.

At the end of the day, anyone who knows poker, knows he cheated....Will it ever be proved? Unlikely unless someone comes forward and talks. Does going through all the streams to identify the exact money won matter? Not really, but maybe someone will catch something that was missed before in how he cheated. Justin will never fold in his stance no matter what Galfond and co analysis brings up win rate wise.

Still really hard to determine if Justin was in on it or is just really that incompetent of a human being....50/50.

Why isn't Postle out playing if he's innocent, it's his sole source of income and he's been at the top of the game for 15 years?
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:13 PM   #11697
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Still really hard to determine if Justin was in on it or is just really that incompetent of a human being....50/50.
Was Veronica incompetent human being, before her lightbulb moment? After lightbulb she is living superhero.

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Why they don't tell to IRS that they have 100% clear evidence of wrongdoing. As they state casinos are under a license, and there is no tolerance from goverment to cheat a taxman. How stupid it is to gossip in social media about wrongdoings instead of just contacting IRS.

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Old 09-23-2020, 05:44 PM   #11698
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Was Veronica incompetent human being, before her lightbulb moment? After lightbulb she is living superhero.



Why they don't tell to IRS that they have 100% clear evidence of wrongdoing. As they state casinos are under a license, and there is no tolerance from goverment to cheat a taxman. How stupid it is to gossip in social media about wrongdoings instead of just contacting IRS.
Veronica has nothing to do with me calling Justin (or now you) an incompetent human being....but hey, that's normally what people of a low IQ do.....deflect to someone/something else. Carry on with your day.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:51 PM   #11699
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Was Veronica incompetent human being, before her lightbulb moment? After lightbulb she is living superhero.



Why they don't tell to IRS that they have 100% clear evidence of wrongdoing. As they state casinos are under a license, and there is no tolerance from goverment to cheat a taxman. How stupid it is to gossip in social media about wrongdoings instead of just contacting IRS.
Mike, imagine if you were smart enough to lose once in a while when cheating and not make it so obvious? (and no I am not talking about -$30 here or -$200 there, I am talking about dropping 2Gs every few sessions) You're life would be a whole lot better right now.
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:13 PM   #11700
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I appreciate the warm words. The video took painstakingly long to produce and 95% of it was finding the hands and editing them together to be able to get a consumable length to cover 20 hands.
Thanks for your response. My words were probably not warm enough but I henpeck type on an iPad for most of my responses. I thought your video was the best of those on the internet that provide a condensed summary of the Postle cheating hands. I think your categorization of the hands by type made a most compelling argument.

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Jeff Boski gets dealt T4os from S1, and then S3 (who is away from the table) is dealt J4os. Those hands are folded in the first 10 seconds before there is even any significant action. Postle cant be looking at his phone all the time, there is no reason to until at least there is a decision to be made. Why would he stare at a bunch of garbage preflop hands. I would say there is a 99% chance that he would not have seen these hands folded.

Also when the actual decision needs to be made the graphics show him at 42% vs the other hands and I am assuming that it is not taking into account the folded. The equities I displayed don't account for dead cards because in reality we don't know what the dead cards are.
You may be correct. Watching the video again, he may have missed the early folds and simply saw the 3rd king folded by XX and gone for it. But I hate the proposition that he must have missed or not been paying attention to hole card information on garbage preflight hands then claiming he only called because he had the other hole card information. And, he actually did have incentive to watch the early discards as he was straddling the pot to 45.00.

I just think from a evidentiary standpoint, you should attribute knowledge of all the hole cards if you hold this hand up as evidence of cheating. It looks like the equities still favor him even with the two mucked 4s because of the mucked k.

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I tweeted this in that thread just now but with all the dead cards considered not just the two 4’s, the 45 has 42.7% equity per poker cruncher.
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Yeah, I saw the k folded too.
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