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Old 09-16-2020, 04:15 PM   #11426
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My personal thoughts are that this is all in anticipation to the Wired Mag article coming out this week. Mike and Justin refused to cooperate and talk to the investigative reporter who was trying to get as objective of a story as possible. Mike has been lol threatening to sue wired magazine.

Now you all have had a glimpse of what it was like working with this narcissist Justin who refused to look at anything when i went to him and just gas-lite Kasey and me. All of the evidence is out there and he still refuses to believe it...why? because he's working with mike.

I picture Justin writing that letter for a few days and smiling ear to ear just thinking of the response that he would get (just like the time he brought mike into the booth for an interview...see...he thought...this will show everyone who complained about Mike cheating that he is actually just the best player in the world) how much praise he will receive for his honest and deep reflection. I think he honestly thought he would sway anyone still on the fence about him towards his side. I am sure that the response he got shocked him.
His inability to get off his hilltop was amusing at best. Arguing with poker professionals who understand the game 100x more than he does and adamantly refusing to budge on his understanding of evidence and poker in general..... there is only one explanation. he's involved.

And Mike in all of his big headed wonder, more promises of blowing our minds with the evidence that he swears he will release.... he should take this time to study poker.

it's interesting to say the least that suddenly stones, Mike, and Justin are all wanting to shoot this documentary. the propaganda machine continues.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:20 PM   #11427
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What is it with people who lie even after they're caught red handed? I don't get what would be the benefit. We already know what you did.
Always doubling down works pretty well for some people. For others it doesn’t. I think Justin is most likely in the latter category.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:38 PM   #11428
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My personal thoughts are that this is all in anticipation to the Wired Mag article coming out this week. Mike and Justin refused to cooperate and talk to the investigative reporter who was trying to get as objective of a story as possible. Mike has been lol threatening to sue wired magazine.

Now you all have had a glimpse of what it was like working with this narcissist Justin who refused to look at anything when i went to him and just gas-lite Kasey and me. All of the evidence is out there and he still refuses to believe it...why? because he's working with mike.

I picture Justin writing that letter for a few days and smiling ear to ear just thinking of the response that he would get (just like the time he brought mike into the booth for an interview...see...he thought...this will show everyone who complained about Mike cheating that he is actually just the best player in the world) how much praise he will receive for his honest and deep reflection. I think he honestly thought he would sway anyone still on the fence about him towards his side. I am sure that the response he got shocked him.
His inability to get off his hilltop was amusing at best. Arguing with poker professionals who understand the game 100x more than he does and adamantly refusing to budge on his understanding of evidence and poker in general..... there is only one explanation. he's involved.

And Mike in all of his big headed wonder, more promises of blowing our minds with the evidence that he swears he will release.... he should take this time to study poker.

it's interesting to say the least that suddenly stones, Mike, and Justin are all wanting to shoot this documentary. the propaganda machine continues.
I don't understand this whole doc/bio pic discussion. Broome is a legit producer, The Biggest Loser as an example. It does not seem legit. I'm in the industry. You shoot a project and then have to sell it. I just do not see the market for something like this outside the poker industry. Why would a painter in the midwest or mechanic in Tennessee care? The audience is too limited.

The only thing that makes any sense to me is David is being paid to produce it. The project has not even been officially announced, let alone in pre-production. Would Stones have a need/benefit to getting this out? Benefit being the cost to produce would be less than the revenue they would expect to make converting the minds of players? Getting it on Netflix is pretty easy, if profit is not the draw.

Did Stones take a big hit in attendance out of this? I'm lost as to the whole business decision to produce this
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:57 PM   #11429
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I don't understand this whole doc/bio pic discussion. Broome is a legit producer, The Biggest Loser as an example. It does not seem legit. I'm in the industry. You shoot a project and then have to sell it. I just do not see the market for something like this outside the poker industry. Why would a painter in the midwest or mechanic in Tennessee care? The audience is too limited.

The only thing that makes any sense to me is David is being paid to produce it. The project has not even been officially announced, let alone in pre-production. Would Stones have a need/benefit to getting this out? Benefit being the cost to produce would be less than the revenue they would expect to make converting the minds of players? Getting it on Netflix is pretty easy, if profit is not the draw.

Did Stones take a big hit in attendance out of this? I'm lost as to the whole business decision to produce this
The only thing that makes any sense to me is David is being paid to produce it
BINGO!!!!!
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:09 PM   #11430
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The only thing that makes any sense to me is David is being paid to produce it

BINGO!!!!!
And if that is the case, you want to make sure you have advice to have your likeness or to be interviewed for it. David has done some less than cinematic masterpieces, but this seems way way too small of a market. If the opposing side to you is paying for it to be done, the editing of anything you record for them will be to make you look bad. You definitely want final say as to how that would be used.

I'm a poker player, pure capitalist, and could produce this but cannot see any interest generated outside of the playing community. To me, that means the person/s behind it are looking for damage control. Mac's comment certainly does not read well either. It definitely reeks of damage control. If I see it formally announced or go into pre-production I'll let you know.
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:58 PM   #11431
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And if that is the case, you want to make sure you have advice to have your likeness or to be interviewed for it. David has done some less than cinematic masterpieces, but this seems way way too small of a market. If the opposing side to you is paying for it to be done, the editing of anything you record for them will be to make you look bad. You definitely want final say as to how that would be used.

I'm a poker player, pure capitalist, and could produce this but cannot see any interest generated outside of the playing community. To me, that means the person/s behind it are looking for damage control. Mac's comment certainly does not read well either. It definitely reeks of damage control. If I see it formally announced or go into pre-production I'll let you know.
I've been told that a crisis management team (that stones hired) thought of this. but i am sent so much information daily that it's hard to tell what's true and what isn't.

Todd is trying to find out https://twitter.com/ToddWitteles/sta...519728642?s=20
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:12 PM   #11432
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Yes, his rep is completely trashed - it'll be interesting to see how people react if he sits down at their table. WWYD?
Slow roll him at every opportunity, which id never do to other people.

If i owned a casino ban him from all properties (and make up a stupid excuse why - "he insulted my wife in a conversation")

And finally.. Youd have to have it arranged that say if he joined a 9 handed table. you can instantly all leave and start an 8 handed table. (im just thinking so he cant start a law suit for discrimination) but equally, playing 8 handed means he wont be able to play

But over all.. this is why hes just a POS, regardless of the money. He will spend the rest of his life people despising him. And would it all be worth it for money? I dont know
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:16 PM   #11433
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I've been told that a crisis management team (that stones hired) thought of this. but i am sent so much information daily that it's hard to tell what's true and what isn't.



Todd is trying to find out https://twitter.com/ToddWitteles/sta...519728642?s=20
It reeks of crisis mgmt. If someone at Stones or the defendants were connected to the industry, I'd bet heavy on it. I replied that to Justin's tweet with his silly statement. Absolutely smells like this was an conjured up in some PR agent's office. Broome is no heavyweight, but is respected enough when he puts his name to something.

Understand, a producer's job is to produce a profit. Outside of the poker community, who cares what Postle did? Many people despise the businesses and players. Why would they care about any of this? I cannot find a route to profitability unless I'm handed a check to produce it upfront. Even then, credible reputation comes into play for future projects.

No clue about the person Postle, but a comment suggesting this is some big deal or story that everyone will want to know is foolish and most likely self-serving.

I'd be surprised if this is anything but damage control and almost as surprised if it is actually completed. Just an FYI, a producer gets a percent of the overall budget. I have to believe Broome is paid upfront and that means the budget is at and covered. Makes sense that it would be the casino as I doubt Justin and Postle have that kind of money to interest David. Then there is a period of time, 3 yrs is common, to create and develop the project. Fun fact, the producer does not have to give any money back if they never produce a thing.

This is his IMDB page

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1545599/

He is an executive producer which usually means they also secure the budget. They also are the head producer, or boss, of all the other levels of producer. It will be interesting to see his title if and when it is announced. Maybe he has family in the business or something, I just cannot understand how he would have interest in this. It would be like your level of interest in a movie on an auto parts distributor that overcharged their buyers.

Whomever suggested it was crisis management I think nailed it. Occam's Razor and all that stuff....

I just saw him post that Stones is not funding it. Very odd.
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:24 PM   #11434
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I don't understand this whole doc/bio pic discussion. Broome is a legit producer, The Biggest Loser as an example. It does not seem legit. I'm in the industry. You shoot a project and then have to sell it. I just do not see the market for something like this outside the poker industry. Why would a painter in the midwest or mechanic in Tennessee care? The audience is too limited.

The only thing that makes any sense to me is David is being paid to produce it. The project has not even been officially announced, let alone in pre-production. Would Stones have a need/benefit to getting this out? Benefit being the cost to produce would be less than the revenue they would expect to make converting the minds of players? Getting it on Netflix is pretty easy, if profit is not the draw.

Did Stones take a big hit in attendance out of this? I'm lost as to the whole business decision to produce this
I was thinking this as well. A poker doco on Postle:

a) Is only interesting to poker players - Max 10%% of viewers unless glammed up like Molly's Game.
b) Is only interesting if it's about the "greatest cheat story of the decade and how he did it / (somewhat) got away with it" with guilty parties talking about their stories, the technology, planning, etc.
c) Is of very little interest (to even poker players) if it's Mike Postle / Justin talking about what a great player he is and how amazing he was on Hand XYZ, etc... It's boring. And it's inaccurate.

The PR chat of "Just wait 'til you see the Mike Postle documentary" is a weak attempt so we just wait. Just wait. Just wait. And kind of forget the whole thing. I doubt it will be made.
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:38 PM   #11435
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I was thinking this as well. A poker doco on Postle:



a) Is only interesting to poker players - Max 10%% of viewers unless glammed up like Molly's Game.

b) Is only interesting if it's about the "greatest cheat story of the decade and how he did it / (somewhat) got away with it" with guilty parties talking about their stories, the technology, planning, etc.

c) Is of very little interest (to even poker players) if it's Mike Postle / Justin talking about what a great player he is and how amazing he was on Hand XYZ, etc... It's boring. And it's inaccurate.



The PR chat of "Just wait 'til you see the Mike Postle documentary" is a weak attempt so we just wait. Just wait. Just wait. And kind of forget the whole thing. I doubt it will be made.
It's very strange. Docs are usually funded from donations from those sympathetic to the subject or self funded out of personal interest. When personal interest, there is no expectation of profit. Does Broome have a personal interest in the poker world? He is almost a neighbor of mine and his name has neither come up in discussion going back years or have I seen him at a local room. Doesn't mean both has not happened.

Its not even a high enough dollar value scam to get general interest. Have to wait for filings and when the Chain of Title is done, the money flow will be transparent.
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:52 PM   #11436
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Inb4 funded by massive mainstream corporation as epic story intermixing delusions of a psycopath, cheating, gambling-related litigation, and a community in uproar

Postle the villain
Kuraitis the loony bystander manipulated by the mastermind
Stones as the casino giant trying to cover their ass
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Old 09-17-2020, 12:03 AM   #11437
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Slow roll him at every opportunity, which id never do to other people.

If i owned a casino ban him from all properties (and make up a stupid excuse why - "he insulted my wife in a conversation")

And finally.. Youd have to have it arranged that say if he joined a 9 handed table. you can instantly all leave and start an 8 handed table. (im just thinking so he cant start a law suit for discrimination) but equally, playing 8 handed means he wont be able to play

But over all.. this is why hes just a POS, regardless of the money. He will spend the rest of his life people despising him. And would it all be worth it for money? I dont know
So true. And given his behavior now, seems like he is so self-absorbed that he may not even care how people view him.
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:17 AM   #11438
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I just saw him post that Stones is not funding it. Very odd.
Maybe King's Casino Management Corp or King's Casino LLC, then? Funny that those are listed as two different entities, although I'm not totally sure what the distinction is.

Hell, anything or anyone with a financial interest in Stones could pick up the tab, right? Then Broome could honestly say Stones is not funding the film, and be truthful in doing so. Besides, how much would/should it cost? 25/7's Two Days In April, a doc about a bunch of NFL Draft hopefuls, is listed as a budget of $550K. (Can't find a clue on the budget for Fearless, the company's doc on Brazilian bull riders.)

A funny aside, I was trying to find some connection between David Broome and the casino. I DID find the name Curtis Broome, who along with his wife were/are Tribal Key Employees as licensed by the California Gambling Control Commission. Curtis worked IT at Thunder Valley.

Thought it might be a relative to the TV producer until I saw what the late Curtis Broome looked like. Whooops. Suffice it to say, he was a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity in his younger days. (Unless David was adopted.)
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:26 AM   #11439
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It's very strange. Docs are usually funded from donations from those sympathetic to the subject or self funded out of personal interest. When personal interest, there is no expectation of profit.
Respectfully, I see documentaries about all kinds of random off-beat subjects on Netflix and big streaming services. And they don't all seem particularly expensive to make. It's plausible that someone like Broome, a successful producer, could be taking this project on by himself with a reasonable expectation of selling it to Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.

It may also be the case that he's giving Postle and Kuraitis false reassurances to get their cooperation. This is also a common trope in documentaries like Tiger King and The Jinx. The subjects think they're the hero of the story when they're anything but.
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:47 AM   #11440
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Is the documentary crew that's going to clear Mike Postle's name also doing a documentary about OJ's hunt for the real killers?
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Old 09-17-2020, 06:40 AM   #11441
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Respectfully, I see documentaries about all kinds of random off-beat subjects on Netflix and big streaming services. And they don't all seem particularly expensive to make. It's plausible that someone like Broome, a successful producer, could be taking this project on by himself with a reasonable expectation of selling it to Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.

It may also be the case that he's giving Postle and Kuraitis false reassurances to get their cooperation. This is also a common trope in documentaries like Tiger King and The Jinx. The subjects think they're the hero of the story when they're anything but.
Just to add to this: I don't know the inside of the tv/movie business like some seem to in this thread, but a scam story (whether its poker or something else) seems like it could work if done well whether someone has an interest in poker or not. People have interest in scams, documentaries, and crime stories debating whether someone is innocent or not.

I end up watching all kinds of documentaries about things I don't have knowledge of if the preview looks interesting or its catching some hype.

Maybe I'm just naive. The producer might not realize at this point how clear cut it is and think it will make a compelling, talked about documentary, like the true crime docs that recieve so much attention lately.
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Any documentary of any kind on this whole thing, which gets Postle/Kuraitis/whomever talking, is bound to be pretty great viewing tbh. Because either it attempts to exonerate Postle, which would make for some hilariously tv of the "Postle just is god and no one gets it"-kind. Or it attempts to show a balanced/realistic portraya of the events, in which case it's also pretty fun viewing due to the ridiculousness of what Postle or Kuraitis will say
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:17 AM   #11443
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Normally, a documentary is something near and dear to you, a big news story, or a trainwreck of disaster like Tiger Joe. I don't find any connection between poker and Broome, doesn't mean there isn't any. It doesnt seem like it would command wide attention due to the small niche demographic of interest and not a big enough scam. It does seem like damage control, to me.

Documentaries are typically cheap to film, true, and can be sold relatively easy to streaming networks but not for a big payday. A small unknown ProCo would make more sense to me because couple hundred grand payday is a lot of money to them. It just seems to be such a small deal for 257 to take on. This is 100% assumptive by me, but it makes sense that it was conjured up in some PR company's office as damage control and that often ends up as a hit piece on the accusers/whistleblowers. Given the smug and cocky manner of Postle, can easily see this being the case. Still very strange that someone with real credits would take in a piece like this, seems like it would be beneath their watermark. I'm also looking at this through a somewhat narrow view in that I'm trying to figure out how this is profitable enough for someone like 257 to produce and not take a hit to their credibility. Don't mean to derail....
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:16 AM   #11445
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:30 AM   #11446
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This documentary would be great. I absolutely love crime/scam stories that present both sides and try to leave the viewer to decide what happened. I don't really care if they lean to give off the impression that Postle was innocent. It'd be fun to hear Mike's side regardless of if he's just saying b.s. And let's be real, it's not 100% he cheated, probably like 99.99%, so I'm interested to hear his take, especially since I'll be able to more easily spot fact from fiction being a part of the industry, as opposed to just going along with whatever the doc crew wants me to think like I usually do in these crime/scam stories.

In terms of profitability, they're cheap to shoot, and tons of people love scam stories. This story made espn, so there's clearly some interest.

Also, someone else said getting it on netflix is pretty easy, but I don't think that's the case. If it was, they'd probably have like 10s of thousands of indie docs on there, as it's really common for an indie filmmaker to basically just want exposure as opposed to a fat check. So all these deals aren't being lost simply because of a failure for netflix to pay enough. I'm pretty confident they just are passing on things that basically nobody will want to watch.

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Old 09-17-2020, 11:44 AM   #11447
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The PR team for Stones should be fired... I have to assume they do not have one and some fool thinks its a good idea to be arguing on twitter with people under Stones account...

They will never make a single poker player believe them so their best bet is to shut up and hope people forget about it...
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:55 AM   #11448
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Justin Kuraitis might be the biggest idiot I have ever seen.
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Yeah it's pretty clear they've learned nothing from this whole thing.
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