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You were, then you flipped a switch or something and went the total other way. As a matter of fact I believe you were exiled from that thread for that very reason.

No, i was exiled for being a Trooper hater.

A better example would have been the NVG Coronavirus thread where I was kicked out for being the only person to question whether shutting down the entire country was the correct move. That was a radical idea at the time but isn't looking so radical today.

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06-15-2020 , 08:05 PM

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prairiebreeze

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

No, i was exiled for being a Trooper hater.

By Rapini Jr or Rapini III?

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06-15-2020 , 08:20 PM

#11253

whosnext

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

I simply stated that it has not been proven that he cheated.

This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.

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06-15-2020 , 09:00 PM

#11254

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by whosnext

This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.

We hear this line over and over that any mathematician/statistician could easily prove that Postle was cheating. If that's the case then someone should post the proof. Is that too much to ask? Isn't that what was done with the Ultimate Bet Scandal?

It's not like this thread is just a few weeks old. This thread has been going for over 8 months and yet still no statistician/mathematician has published this proof.

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06-15-2020 , 11:51 PM

#11255

bpb

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

That's like saying I need a mathematical proof that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer hurts.

There's a hand where he says "Uh oh" on the most innocuous turn card even when he's all in against an opponent who turns a gutshot. The hold cards weren't flipped. That one hand is a smoking gun. Add in the other 100 hands where he's never wrong.

I know you're trolling, I'm not actually responding to you, I'm responding to other people who might not realize how damning the evidence is.

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06-16-2020 , 12:18 AM

#11256

Tuma

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Originally Posted by persianpunisher

More data? What do you think he's gonna say?

Put it this way - it's better than if he were hiding in a cave.

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06-16-2020 , 12:19 AM

#11257

persianpunisher

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My favorite is the Omaha hand where he starts mixing up his cards because he knows the reader hasn't picked them up.

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06-16-2020 , 12:28 AM

#11258

feel wrath

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Originally Posted by whosnext

This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.

are you allowed to ban people because they're annoying, even if they're factually correct?

We all think Postle cheated and we think we know he cheated, but it hasn't been proven

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06-16-2020 , 12:32 AM

#11259

feel wrath

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Originally Posted by bpb

I know you're trolling, I'm not actually responding to you, I'm responding to other people who might not realize how damning the evidence is.

and yet the case was dismissed?

I hope you're never accused of something in the court of public opinion and found guilty without access to due process

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06-16-2020 , 12:44 AM

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persianpunisher

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Being a smar@$$ involves being technically true.

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06-16-2020 , 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

and yet the case was dismissed?

I hope you're never accused of something in the court of public opinion and found guilty without access to due process

The case was dismissed on legal technical reasons that are not related to the facts. It had to do with the courts not getting involved in disputes between gamblers and it being impossible to determine accurately the amount of damages.

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06-16-2020 , 01:27 AM

#11262

feel wrath

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

Yep. But he’s never been found guilty

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06-16-2020 , 01:35 AM

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persianpunisher

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feel wrath witnesses a murder in broad daylight.

feel wrath at the trial "I think I saw him murder the victim, but he hasn't been found guilty yet, so I'm not sure."

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06-16-2020 , 01:51 AM

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Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Yep. But he’s never been found guilty

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06-16-2020 , 01:57 AM

#11265

deuceblocker

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Yep. But he’s never been found guilty

He is not going to be found guilty. It is unlikely there will be any criminal charges. The civil case has been dismissed. The police and courts won't get involved. That has nothing to do with whether he cheated.

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06-16-2020 , 03:07 AM

#11266

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I really hope matusow doesn't do another interview. His first one was pathetic and he does the poker community a disservice by providing postle a friendly avenue to try and clean his reputation, when he should be talking to an experienced interviewer who makes him answer tough questions.

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06-16-2020 , 04:25 AM

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GreatBigRedOne

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Originally Posted by deuceblocker

Untrue, it was dismissed because of the facts (or lack of them) in some instances and the reasons you listed in others.

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06-16-2020 , 04:36 AM

#11268

GreatBigRedOne

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Originally Posted by bpb

While it makes me at risk of sounding like a Postle defender, which I am not as I do believe he is guilty. This NVG community outrage culture has always misrepresented the facts regarding how much evidence there is of his guilt. Winrate (add ons and rebuys not accurately counted) and standard deviation (variance not input properly and counting wins at higher stakes even 25/50 as wins at 1/3) were never fairly calculated. In the end both mathematical and actual evidence were lacking and even many of the hh can be explained so all your left with is he stares at his phone inexplicably.

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06-16-2020 , 07:53 AM

#11269

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Originally Posted by bpb

There's a hand where he says "Uh oh" on the most innocuous turn card even when he's all in against an opponent who turns a gutshot. The hold cards weren't flipped. That one hand is a smoking gun. Add in the other 100 hands where he's never wrong.

Is there a link to this?

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06-16-2020 , 08:17 AM

#11270

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Originally Posted by The_Snook

Is there a link to this?

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...36317395914752

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06-16-2020 , 08:43 AM

#11271

deuceblocker

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Originally Posted by GreatBigRedOne

Untrue, it was dismissed because of the facts (or lack of them) in some instances and the reasons you listed in others.

The court's discussion doesn't discuss the facts of the cheating. The judge didn't allow it to get to the point where evidence of cheating was presented.

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06-16-2020 , 10:38 AM

#11272

R*R

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

are you allowed to ban people because they're annoying, even if they're factually correct?

We all think Postle cheated and we think we know he cheated, but it hasn't been proven

Allowed is probably the wrong word. But no, not in most cases. But Dream Crusher was not banned solely for his terrible posting in this thread.

End of discussion here. I just thought I would clarify that. Any other comments on his banning can go in the NVG Moderation thread.

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06-16-2020 , 02:45 PM

#11273

zica

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

I don't know why anyone would claim that math or stats could prove anything 100%.

Who determines what proof is. If it's only a court of law then yeah, it's not been proven. If you determine what proof is, just watch the stream and let us know. To me, the stream is the proof that he cheated. I know that he cheated from watching the stream. The stream removes far more than a reasonable doubt.

It's like having a video of a shooting where you see one person point a firearm at another person 20 feet away and pull the trigger. Maybe it was an accident.

Edit: more like pulling the trigger 10 times and every one a hit, by accident.

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06-16-2020 , 07:27 PM

#11274

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Originally Posted by zica

I don't know why anyone would claim that math or stats could prove anything 100%.

Who determines what proof is. If it's only a court of law then yeah, it's not been proven. If you determine what proof is, just watch the stream and let us know. To me, the stream is the proof that he cheated. I know that he cheated from watching the stream. The stream removes far more than a reasonable doubt.

It's like having a video of a shooting where you see one person point a firearm at another person 20 feet away and pull the trigger. Maybe it was an accident.

Edit: more like pulling the trigger 10 times and every one a hit, by accident.

The number of living people over the age of 145 pretty likely proves that human life expectancy is < 145 years.

.... and beyond a reasonable doubt standard allows for less than 100% certainty (criminal), while a "preponderance of the evidence" allows for much greater uncertainty, just "more likely than not, according to the evidence.

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06-16-2020 , 07:58 PM

#11275

zica

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Originally Posted by Gzesh

The number of living people over the age of 145 pretty likely proves that human life expectancy is < 145 years.

If you took my statement as meaning that math can't prove 2+2=4 instead of math can't prove someone guilty in this case, Mike Postle wants you on his jury.

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