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Old 06-15-2020, 08:01 PM   #11251
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You were, then you flipped a switch or something and went the total other way. As a matter of fact I believe you were exiled from that thread for that very reason.
No, i was exiled for being a Trooper hater.

A better example would have been the NVG Coronavirus thread where I was kicked out for being the only person to question whether shutting down the entire country was the correct move. That was a radical idea at the time but isn't looking so radical today.
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Old 06-15-2020, 08:05 PM   #11252
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Old 06-15-2020, 08:20 PM   #11253
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I simply stated that it has not been proven that he cheated.
This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.
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Old 06-15-2020, 09:00 PM   #11254
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This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.
We hear this line over and over that any mathematician/statistician could easily prove that Postle was cheating. If that's the case then someone should post the proof. Is that too much to ask? Isn't that what was done with the Ultimate Bet Scandal?

It's not like this thread is just a few weeks old. This thread has been going for over 8 months and yet still no statistician/mathematician has published this proof.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:51 PM   #11255
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We hear this line over and over that any mathematician/statistician could easily prove that Postle was cheating. If that's the case then someone should post the proof. Is that too much to ask? Isn't that what was done with the Ultimate Bet Scandal?

It's not like this thread is just a few weeks old. This thread has been going for over 8 months and yet still no statistician/mathematician has published this proof.
That's like saying I need a mathematical proof that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer hurts.

There's a hand where he says "Uh oh" on the most innocuous turn card even when he's all in against an opponent who turns a gutshot. The hold cards weren't flipped. That one hand is a smoking gun. Add in the other 100 hands where he's never wrong.

I know you're trolling, I'm not actually responding to you, I'm responding to other people who might not realize how damning the evidence is.
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:18 AM   #11256
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More data? What do you think he's gonna say?
Put it this way - it's better than if he were hiding in a cave.
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:19 AM   #11257
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My favorite is the Omaha hand where he starts mixing up his cards because he knows the reader hasn't picked them up.
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:28 AM   #11258
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This is annoying and borderline trolling at this point.

Please stop.
are you allowed to ban people because they're annoying, even if they're factually correct?

We all think Postle cheated and we think we know he cheated, but it hasn't been proven
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:32 AM   #11259
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I know you're trolling, I'm not actually responding to you, I'm responding to other people who might not realize how damning the evidence is.
and yet the case was dismissed?

I hope you're never accused of something in the court of public opinion and found guilty without access to due process
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:44 AM   #11260
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Being a smar@$$ involves being technically true.
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Old 06-16-2020, 12:45 AM   #11261
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and yet the case was dismissed?

I hope you're never accused of something in the court of public opinion and found guilty without access to due process
The case was dismissed on legal technical reasons that are not related to the facts. It had to do with the courts not getting involved in disputes between gamblers and it being impossible to determine accurately the amount of damages.
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Old 06-16-2020, 01:27 AM   #11262
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The case was dismissed on legal technical reasons that are not related to the facts. It had to do with the courts not getting involved in disputes between gamblers and it being impossible to determine accurately the amount of damages.

Yep. But he’s never been found guilty
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Old 06-16-2020, 01:35 AM   #11263
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feel wrath witnesses a murder in broad daylight.

feel wrath at the trial "I think I saw him murder the victim, but he hasn't been found guilty yet, so I'm not sure."
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Old 06-16-2020, 01:51 AM   #11264
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Yep. But he’s never been found guilty
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Old 06-16-2020, 01:57 AM   #11265
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Yep. But he’s never been found guilty
He is not going to be found guilty. It is unlikely there will be any criminal charges. The civil case has been dismissed. The police and courts won't get involved. That has nothing to do with whether he cheated.
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Old 06-16-2020, 03:07 AM   #11266
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I really hope matusow doesn't do another interview. His first one was pathetic and he does the poker community a disservice by providing postle a friendly avenue to try and clean his reputation, when he should be talking to an experienced interviewer who makes him answer tough questions.
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Old 06-16-2020, 04:25 AM   #11267
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The case was dismissed on legal technical reasons that are not related to the facts. It had to do with the courts not getting involved in disputes between gamblers and it being impossible to determine accurately the amount of damages.
Untrue, it was dismissed because of the facts (or lack of them) in some instances and the reasons you listed in others.
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Old 06-16-2020, 04:36 AM   #11268
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That's like saying I need a mathematical proof that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer hurts.

There's a hand where he says "Uh oh" on the most innocuous turn card even when he's all in against an opponent who turns a gutshot. The hold cards weren't flipped. That one hand is a smoking gun. Add in the other 100 hands where he's never wrong.

I know you're trolling, I'm not actually responding to you, I'm responding to other people who might not realize how damning the evidence is.
While it makes me at risk of sounding like a Postle defender, which I am not as I do believe he is guilty. This NVG community outrage culture has always misrepresented the facts regarding how much evidence there is of his guilt. Winrate (add ons and rebuys not accurately counted) and standard deviation (variance not input properly and counting wins at higher stakes even 25/50 as wins at 1/3) were never fairly calculated. In the end both mathematical and actual evidence were lacking and even many of the hh can be explained so all your left with is he stares at his phone inexplicably.
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:53 AM   #11269
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There's a hand where he says "Uh oh" on the most innocuous turn card even when he's all in against an opponent who turns a gutshot. The hold cards weren't flipped. That one hand is a smoking gun. Add in the other 100 hands where he's never wrong.
Is there a link to this?
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Old 06-16-2020, 08:17 AM   #11270
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Is there a link to this?
https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...36317395914752
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Old 06-16-2020, 08:43 AM   #11271
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Untrue, it was dismissed because of the facts (or lack of them) in some instances and the reasons you listed in others.
The court's discussion doesn't discuss the facts of the cheating. The judge didn't allow it to get to the point where evidence of cheating was presented.
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Old 06-16-2020, 10:38 AM   #11272
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are you allowed to ban people because they're annoying, even if they're factually correct?

We all think Postle cheated and we think we know he cheated, but it hasn't been proven
Allowed is probably the wrong word. But no, not in most cases. But Dream Crusher was not banned solely for his terrible posting in this thread.

End of discussion here. I just thought I would clarify that. Any other comments on his banning can go in the NVG Moderation thread.
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Old 06-16-2020, 02:45 PM   #11273
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We hear this line over and over that any mathematician/statistician could easily prove that Postle was cheating. If that's the case then someone should post the proof. Is that too much to ask? Isn't that what was done with the Ultimate Bet Scandal?

It's not like this thread is just a few weeks old. This thread has been going for over 8 months and yet still no statistician/mathematician has published this proof.
I don't know why anyone would claim that math or stats could prove anything 100%.

Who determines what proof is. If it's only a court of law then yeah, it's not been proven. If you determine what proof is, just watch the stream and let us know. To me, the stream is the proof that he cheated. I know that he cheated from watching the stream. The stream removes far more than a reasonable doubt.

It's like having a video of a shooting where you see one person point a firearm at another person 20 feet away and pull the trigger. Maybe it was an accident.

Edit: more like pulling the trigger 10 times and every one a hit, by accident.
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:27 PM   #11274
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I don't know why anyone would claim that math or stats could prove anything 100%.

Who determines what proof is. If it's only a court of law then yeah, it's not been proven. If you determine what proof is, just watch the stream and let us know. To me, the stream is the proof that he cheated. I know that he cheated from watching the stream. The stream removes far more than a reasonable doubt.

It's like having a video of a shooting where you see one person point a firearm at another person 20 feet away and pull the trigger. Maybe it was an accident.

Edit: more like pulling the trigger 10 times and every one a hit, by accident.
The number of living people over the age of 145 pretty likely proves that human life expectancy is < 145 years.

.... and beyond a reasonable doubt standard allows for less than 100% certainty (criminal), while a "preponderance of the evidence" allows for much greater uncertainty, just "more likely than not, according to the evidence.
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:58 PM   #11275
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The number of living people over the age of 145 pretty likely proves that human life expectancy is < 145 years.
If you took my statement as meaning that math can't prove 2+2=4 instead of math can't prove someone guilty in this case, Mike Postle wants you on his jury.
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