The American legal system is a sh**t show, but you are welcome to stop following our follies.

Well, my understanding of the opinion is that there is no law allowing people to sue in civil court to settle gambling disputes. I don't know how state courts work, but the federal courts only have the jurisdiction granted them by the constitution and/or congress.

So it's not like these disputes are excluded due to antiquated values dating to the prelegal gambling days.

It is more like society, today's society, does not think the court system is an appropriate venue to settle gambling disputes, especially in situations where the amount of the money being disputed is in dispute.

Courts aren't very good venues to settle these sorts of claims, and would likely come to the wrong decision as often as not.

I'm actually glad there's an area where the government says less government is better. There should be more areas with less government.

Your statement that there is zero recourse is wrong. If the action is a crime, and you have evidence, the police will prosecute. Sadly here, there is no evidence of what happened, just a video recording of it happening. Somehow, that's not enough.

Maybe if the police weren't busy beating protestors ....

This goes far beyond a gambling dispute. This is in the same exact category as stealing from a casino.

You would be crushed on the spot if you tampered with an electronic device to gain an advantage over the casino. Arrested and jailed.

Why is it any different with players? Power.

This was a terrible ruling. My faith in our country to do what is ‘right’ has been damaged. That’s not a good thing. We all lose.

Did the lawyer mess up and should he have got the marle case running first to get that discovery which would then have have brought new evidence to the California case which could have changed the basis of the lawsuit from a dispute between players to one between players and the casino with postle as an accomplice in effectively a fraud.
Or was the case time limited and had to be filed explaining why postle was ducking all attempts at being served.

I actually laughed out loud at this. With all that’s going on in this country right now, this is what hurts your faith in America. Priceless!

She'd have to answer that herself. I have not read the complaint.

The Stones stream was a decent albeit small stream until they got into the "Postle is a God" rabbithole. Became completely unwatchable after that.

A lot of those games were really good. But their player pool must be a good bit smaller now that the 80-90 who sued will almost definitely not play there again, and Mike has been 86'ed from the place (as per Veronica on Jamie K/Marle's podcast).

you beat me to it

The point is there is a regulatory authority through which player disputes are resolved. The court is not going to step in because they have enough on their plate. Gambling disputes go through separate channels.

If you have a complaint about cheating at poker you take it up with the venue. If you're not satisfied with their answer there is a gambling control board and instructions for filing a complaint. you've probably also agreed to go through arbitration or other alternative dispute resolution channels by using these establishments.

Will the GCB award $30 million?

Gives you some insight into how small a world some people live in.

I didn't say they can't sue, there is just slim to none chance of getting anywhere with it. Postle, representing himself apparently, had no trouble "beating the rap."

Would you mind telling me what your username is supposed to look like? I'm baffled

I'm pretty sure he wasn't serious. I highly doubt that even any of the victims in this case feel that way.

Where is this regulatory authority?

This isn’t a gambling dispute like Armenian Mike when he tried to take back his chips after being called.

This is tapping into casino electronics.

As it stands, it seems that he got away with it and there is literally nothing players can do (besides taking extra-judicial measures).

And yes, this makes me lose faith in our system.

Nothing in this ruling prevents Postle from being arrested and jailed.

If you think our country does what is right, you are naive. Since 1973, for every nine people that have been executed, one has been exonerated.

There was a kid accused of stealing a backpack (he denied it) who was locked up on Rikers' Island for 3 years because he refused to take a plea. The government refused to release him even after he served more time that the sentence would have been. They offered him deals to get out by pleading guilty and he refused. So they kept him locked up.

That is injustice. This is inconveniece. All poker players are on notice that these tables are subject to hacking.

NO **** SHERLOCK.

The government shouldn't be protecting you from such obvious scams. Sorry man. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/d...1591881221.pdf

I found this that said since 1972 just 1.6% of death row inmates in the US have been exonerated. Of course this doesn't mean only 1.6% of them are innocent, and you distinguished executed inmates rather than just anyone on death row, but 1/9 seems a little high given this figure.

I thought so too, but the explanation is likely that so few are actually executed the math works out.

169 people have been exonerated and released from death row since 1973

1518 people have been executed in the U.S. since 1973

https://eji.org/issues/death-penalty/

How did he tamper with an electronic device? I thought the theory was he was given access by an employee of the casino. If that's what happened, I'm not even sure what crime he committed. I guess it could be fraud, but I've never seen fraud defined as obtaining knowledge of other players cards without permission or disclosure. It's not theft. It's against the rules of poker, but breaking the rules of poker is not a criminal offense.

If he hacked the wireless network to get access (pretty unlikely, that's fairly sophisticated, assuming Stone's used, you know, a password) then it's a crime of course.

RFID can’t misidentify cards. During one hand they changed postles cards mid hand. How would they even know the cards were wrong unless he signaled them? It doesn’t make any sense unless they were cheating.

This post is nonsensical

I just read something from the ACLU that says there are approx 2660 people on death row, and that there were 22 people executed and 34 death penalties imposed last year.

Unless Mike was one of them, why is that relevant to this thread ?

(.... and this from the guy who posts in the Covid thread about snow outs and baseball opening day in Chicago.)

Unfortunately, I don’t think they know exactly what he did and who/if he was working with anybody else. Or what information he received. And how.

Which makes a criminal case impossible and makes it look like a gambling dispute to civil courts.

No regulatory agency seems to care either.

Absolutely pathetic.

This is the covid thread? My bad, I get confused so easily these daze.

We got off on a "implications of Michael Postle on the death penalty's efficacy" track and that was entirely my fault.

I apologize.

made perfect sense to me. Mike has esp.