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Old 06-04-2020, 11:36 AM   #11001
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Can't quite believe anyone is giving @Angry_Polak grief, especially given how infuriating this must be.

Veronica, from what I have seem you have been a class act and displayed great courage to do what was right in the first instance. You then went on to demonstrate this strength of character throughout this sad episode.

I, like many, many others who have followed this, wish you all the best.
+1. Who knows how much longer this would have gone on if she hadn’t come forward.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:43 AM   #11002
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Just for reference, there's a local that cheated a home game for like 6 months... Admitted it, tried to "Make things right", but pocked tons of money.

This person laid low for like 4-6 months, then started showing up at the casinos to play, WITH a lot of the same people they cheated.
The people mumble under their breath "F*ck you, you cheater" or tell other people at the table that they cheated a home game, etc.

But at the end of the day, cards are dealt and nothing happens.

If Postle moved to like Chicago/Indy/Hammond or FLA there would be like 10% of the room that would think "Is that POSTLE!?!" and like that's it.

He'll be out there grinding in no time
Mclovin? lol this also happened in the DC area and legitimately it was the exact same reaction, guy offered pennies on the dollar to "make it right" (with NDA attached) players declined and after like 6 months he was back playing in pretty much the same games, he even got a player banned from a casino property for threatening him....casinos just want the rake.

As others have said, if it wasn't for Angry Polak this would have gone on for longer than it did.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:59 AM   #11003
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

All the people who are coming out saying so-and-so did this and so-and-so did that and is still in poker are bringing up high profile examples that are different to what has happened here unless im missing something.

Mike Postle (allegedly) cheated whilst playing. He didnt run a ponzi scheme (Federer/Ferguson etc), he didnt beg, borrow, scum %'s (Chino/Eli etc). He directly at a table cheated players.

Casinos have complete discretion to turn away players for any reason. Why would cardroom managers open themselves up to the possibility that their games are compromised?

How could players honestly sit at a table with him, knowing who he is, and play without fear of the game being dodgy. Everytime he makes a slightly out there call that pays off, he will be under suspicion.

If he walked into my local tomorrow and wanted to join the game the regs would kick up such a fuss he'd never be allowed back.

Maybe im wrong and an idealist, or maybe time changes things, maybe, but for me he is out of live poker for the foreseeable future at least.
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:00 PM   #11004
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You can plead the fifth in civil cases it just doesn’t look great. It would leave the entire burden of proof on the defendants and if they can’t prove he cheated then he will probably win.
So you are suggesting he file a lawsuit where he has the sole burden of proof and then plead the Fifth and not testify?
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:10 PM   #11005
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:10 PM   #11006
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So you are suggesting he file a lawsuit where he has the sole burden of proof and then plead the Fifth and not testify?
He can't prove that he didn't cheat. They would need to prove that he did cheat, which is the claim they've made in several videos. It is interesting.
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:12 PM   #11007
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So you are suggesting he file a lawsuit where he has the sole burden of proof and then plead the Fifth and not testify?
Represented by Jackie Chiles ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcEietIoxk
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:19 PM   #11008
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I'd hope everyone who has heard of this case avoids Stones Casino like the plague.
Sucks because stones has amazing food and used to be my favorite place to play when I came back to california Definitely won't be playing there anymore though
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:21 PM   #11009
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You can plead the fifth in civil cases it just doesn’t look great. It would leave the entire burden of proof on the defendants and if they can’t prove he cheated then he will probably win.
I hope to god you are not his lawyer. Actually let me think about that again, I do hope you are his lawyer.
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:22 PM   #11010
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ChicagoJoey better ask some damn difficult questions in this podcast if Mike comes on as stated in that tweet.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:08 PM   #11011
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this, only a few people would recognize him in the room tops outside of stones. Little care is one thing, but people paying attention to global poker news is a lot smaller part of the overall poker world than some people here think.
He’d probably be welcome in most non-Stones-stream games.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:28 PM   #11012
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The case is dead when it comes to Mike Postle being involved. ALL five items dismissed. Plaintiffs can amend their claims for negligence and fraud against Stones and JK, but it has to follow guideline laid out by judge.
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Going to be interesting to see what happens next. Even if they file amended return MP is free and clear.
Postle not completely out of the woods...there is STILL a pending federal case in Nevada that was filed in April and where alternate service was perfected by FedEx delivery on May 19 after Postle continued to duck service.

The Motion for the alternate service was actually one of the most thorough I have ever seen, either at the State or federal level. There is no valid argument that could be advanced that multiple efforts were not made- it even included emails to Postle's mom asking for assistance.

Would guess Postle will try to claim somewhere down the road that he never actually received the materials since they were just left at the door without signature.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:40 PM   #11013
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Postle not completely out of the woods...there is STILL a pending federal case in Nevada that was filed in April and where alternate service was perfected by FedEx delivery on May 19 after Postle continued to duck service.


Who is suing him? How in Nevada and not California?
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:42 PM   #11014
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Postle not completely out of the woods...there is STILL a pending federal case in Nevada that was filed in April and where alternate service was perfected by FedEx delivery on May 19 after Postle continued to duck service.

The Motion for the alternate service was actually one of the most thorough I have ever seen, either at the State or federal level. There is no valid argument that could be advanced that multiple efforts were not made- it even included emails to Postle's mom asking for assistance.

Would guess Postle will try to claim somewhere down the road that he never actually received the materials since they were just left at the door without signature.
1. What federal lawsuit ? Name did not pop up in case records search.

2. Collateral estoppel, etc ?
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:43 PM   #11015
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So you are suggesting he file a lawsuit where he has the sole burden of proof and then plead the Fifth and not testify?
You can present evidence and not testify. I hope he loses and is exposed as a cheat. I do not support Postle in anyway.

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Old 06-04-2020, 01:58 PM   #11016
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Postle making a profit on being busted for cheating would be very 2020.

He should organize a cash game with his biggest victims over like 30 nights and by the time it’s over and his win rate pretty well matches that of the disputed time frame, everyone will know he really is Jesus.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:03 PM   #11017
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Gamble at your own risk. If you are cheated, there is no legal recourse.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:14 PM   #11018
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Man, I used to love cards. I grew up playing cribbage, 500, Euchre, every card game you can think of. I learned that the worst thing you could be was a card cheat. It still is. Cheat at cards......what are you? That goes for all the angle shooters, ghosters and bot runners too.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:34 PM   #11019
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Postle should be able to play anywhere but Stones. Lol, no one is going to put him on a live stream. Lol, Postle can't sue anyone. The case was not dismissed because the allegations were false.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:39 PM   #11020
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The biggest public cheating scandal happens over recorded livestream and the community can't get a judge to hear both sides of the case - great.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:47 PM   #11021
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The biggest public cheating scandal happens over recorded livestream and the community can't get a judge to hear both sides of the case - great.
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ChicagoJoey better ask some damn difficult questions in this podcast if Mike comes on as stated in that tweet.


I may have mis-read the tweet. I hope he wants to tell his story on your pod...
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:50 PM   #11022
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The biggest public cheating scandal happens over recorded livestream and the community can't get a judge to hear both sides of the case - great.

Well, in California, that is the Law.


Or maybe you thought that everywhere Justice and Law were the same thing.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:53 PM   #11023
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In Kelly, there was no question of the cheating.


From the ruling in the Postle case:






I read this to mean that the suit was doomed from the start.
Agreed. And this is specific to California. If Postle cheated in a Reno cardroom the lawsuit would be alive.

There's still the "will a jury be able to understand probability" and "there's no smoking gun" and all that stuff that's been thrown around here and elsewhere, but at the end of the day, none of it mattered.

In California, a victim of cheating can't sue the cheaters for money lost if it was in a gambling game/activity.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:55 PM   #11024
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Have poker players ever successfully sued a casino or card room?
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Old 06-04-2020, 03:01 PM   #11025
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1. What federal lawsuit ? Name did not pop up in case records search.

2. Collateral estoppel, etc ?
Both of the suits against Postle were viewable for me in PACER.

Time will tell on CE...since he refused service, it remains to be seen if he finds shadow counsel to prepare his Original Answer and/or Motion to Dismiss.

The Nevada case is SOLELY Cordeiro v Postle 20-CV-00640

Same counsel for plaintiff as in California.
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