didnt see this posted (forgive if I am wrong)-

Kasey Mills changed her statement from a few days ago and now admits she's been wary of cheating for some time now and said something as well

https://twitter.com/pokermommaa/stat...75306970025984

Nope. That is a cheating/trick tool, but it's irrelevant here.
Nope. Similar devices have been used to cheat in chess. Not here.
Nope.
Nope.
That would be far too complicated when there is a blindingly obvious method of finding out the hole cards instead.
Again, possible, but unnecessary.
Video feed.

The reason why he takes a few seconds to decipher who has which hand is because he's literally watching the (secret) live stream on his phone, and basically has to memorize 7-8 players' hands quickly and decide on a post-flop plan. (That requires some skill, but I'm sure you can get quite good at it with practice).
It's my understanding that the hole-card graphics for the stream are displayed automatically on the PC used for broadcasting by software connected to the room's RFID system. The equities are also calculated by the software and updated on-the-fly.
The stream might be broadcast on Twitch half an hour later, but all the video footage and graphical overlays go into the broadcaster/director's computer, presumably in a room near the commentators, and is then uploaded to Twitch, right there at almost the same time as hands are being played. (When live streaming, you can set Twitch to only make it generally available later).

From the streaming/broadcast computer, it could also be beamed via Teamviewer (or similar) directly to Postle's phone. He could have set up a remote viewing app on the PC at some point in the past, or he has a co-conspirator in front of the computer monitor who films the screen with his phone for a live video-call direct to Postle's lap. Both these methods introduce a little bit of latency, but having the actual broadcast footage (with holecards displayed) sent to your phone is so much simpler than any other method.

If this is hard to get your head around, just imagine you're streaming online poker on twitch with a 10 minute delay, but there is someone behind you pointing his phone at your monitor while he's on skype with a friend on the other side of the world. That friend would know your holecards a few milliseconds after you do, and almost 10 minutes before Twitch viewers, without a single word being uttered. (This same principle is used by "superusers" for in-play betting on individual points in worldwide tennis matches.)

The scariest thing about this cheating method is that it could be (and probably has been) used by anyone with access to the broadcasting/uploading computer (or the technician monitoring it) at any event that is streamed with RFID holecards up, with or without a delay on the broadcast. It doesn't even matter if the commentators do voiceovers later. The actual live footage with holecards up can be seen by a computer technician (or a poker room manager), and/or sent to a "friend" immediately.

Cliffs: I think he's literally watching the stream (with holecards up) more or less live as it happens, half an hour before it's available to everyone else.

can anyone who's been on these streams or plays in the surrounding games verify the immediate rack ups after the streams? No winning player would immediately rack up every time in these games...especially when they have the stacks that Apostle so frequently has by the end of these streams. What sort of emergency would it take for a live low-stakes grinder to leave a game he's winning 500$+/hr from!?

To add to this timeline, Veronica actually came to Joey before releasing the tweets to ask if he would cover it honestly bc she feared what did happen, would happen, which was getting hate and auto dismissed for whistleblowing. Joey spent some 20+ hours before his first stream analyzing Mikes play on Stones Live. Joey was accused of cherry picking on his stream, which he wasn't really imo, he was just fast forwarding and occasionally looking at hands that viewers brought up from time to time. so he did a second stream looking at all the hands and then did a back to back third stream. he has vowed to cover most if not all of Mike Postles streams bc hes a ****ing boss who doesnt **** around.

Great post pretty much solves it. Surprise surprise two perfect decisions. What a dickhead

This would make a lot fo sense. Especially if it's a direct feed, it would be a great cover if someone actually got a glimpse of his phone. It would just look like he's watching the normal stream and likely nobody would get longer than a glimpse to decipher that it's displaying in real time.

Without Joey this thing probably wouldn’t have got off the ground.
People would say inconclusive evidence.
Thank you Joey.

We know that Postle used to work with setting up customized phone apps, exactly relating to sending live updates of information to the app. He also helped set up the damn livestream for the casino, and knows the people/person in charge of running the whole thing.

Obv helped a monumental amount, but props to Veronica for making the initial tweet. Seems like a lot of other people were suspicious and didn't speak up

This makes a lot of sense. Also would explain why if they did have an outside audit it would come back clean (simply remove the hidden camera from the room lol). Would also mean more than one person involved and that other person would have to be an employee with access.

Might never be able to 100% prove it tho.

Maybe he can get hired for security for livestreams after this. Like card counters and casino cheats sometimes get hired by casinos.

Yes big ups to Veronica as well.

Patiently waiting for the DP vid to drop..

What makes you sure an outside audit took place?

Not sure at all, would probably lean that it didn’t happen.

Just saying if it came back clean then this could be a good explanation as to why.

Normally I don't enter myself into these sort of things, and I don't have any sort of social media to post this on, but this one bothered me. I have several friends that have played (and lost) on Stones in Postle games. I hadn't watched many Stones live streams before this - the few I watched were when a friend was playing. I had heard the jokes/rumors about Postle, but I always just brushed them off as he was just some whale/maniac/luck box. I had no idea how often he won big until this.

The chart below is work from me (2019) and a friend (who did the 2018 totals at the bottom). The bottom line?

+$253,300 in 277 hours of play, winning in 62/69 sessions. This was over roughly a year of streams (not sure exactly where they started in 2018).

https://ibb.co/kmVwv8t
Sorry, it wouldn't load the picture in the forum properly.

This does not include any mixed games, sit-n-gos, tournaments, etc. There is a possibility I missed a stream or two - if I did it was certainly not intentional.

How did we do this? I won't speak for my friend, but I think we used a similar strategy. Essentially I would open a stream, see if Postle was playing, and look for his earliest listed/visible chip stack. That is his buy-in column. From there, I would fast forward a few minutes at a time.

Any time Postle was in a hand, or his chip stack deviated more than a few hundred dollars, I would look to see why. Sometimes he would win pots. Sometimes he would lose. Sometimes he would add-on - these add-ons were the hardest part, as the camera didn't always show when the chip runner delivering the chips. The match-the-stack element of the game allowed the game to become big quickly. Looking for swings in chip stacks - either Postle's or another players - was reason to look deeper.

In some cases (like the 1/12/2019 game, the one Joey Ingram was livestreaming and commenting on last night) Postle has such a huge chip lead, it was easy to just skip ahead in the stream and watch his chip stack grow. He couldn't add-on (no need to, and he was the stack), and no one was attempting to match him. His chip stack would just keep climbing.

Some streams (like the one above) didn't take long for the reasons I mentioned above - maybe 15 minutes. Others took longer since he was up and down in chips, he added on, or his chip stack jumped but no obvious pot won was found. This was simply a task of looking for deviations in chip stacks and seeing if it was from winning/losing or from something else. After getting the hang of it a few streams in, the process was usually very quick.

Discrepancies: Is this 100% accurate? No, I know this isn't 100% correct. Am I confident it's 95% accurate? Yes. Many streams there was little doubt what was going on. He would buy-in for an amount, win some pots with no major loses, and his final streamed chip stack was recorded. Not much room for error in at least half of these streams, probably more like 2/3 of all streams.

Hours played: This is a rough guess, but I imagine it is still fairly accurate. Basically if the YouTube stream was 4:XX, I listed it as a 4 hour session. Stones has anywhere from 0-20 minute intro, as well as a several minute marbles outro. So a 4:05 stream is probably something like 3:30-3:45, while a 4:55 stream is more like 4:25-4:40. I figure this averaged out in the long run. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, add a half hour for each session, but I imagine 277 hours played is pretty close to reality.

Blind Structure: This may be off. I generally used whatever the stream listed. I don't think this is super important because the 1/2/3 (listed as 1/3) usually played more like a 5/5, plus the match-the-stack element of the game made most of them play big. Once I entered this I generally ignored it, so I imagine it's not 100%.

There are several sessions in which strange things happened with the chip stacks (some highlighted in yellow, I started doing this closer to the end of this project). Basically, something odd happened and I never knew 100% what was going on. This could be inconsistent chip counts on screen, money being added-on but not caught on stream, or something like that. A few cases, he would stack a player whose chip stack was listed at $1,000, but the stack on the table was clearly more by several hundred. In these cases, if I was unsure, I always made these out to be chip add-ons. I ALWAYS ERRED ON THE HIGH SIDE, the side that looks better for Postle. If anything, I think his total buy-ins are less than what I have listed. But if you want to give him more benefit of the doubt, add $10-15k to his buy-ins (as well as 30 hours to his play time).

Take this information however you want to. I'm just adding information for those out there looking, and I know people have asked/guessed to his winnings over the past year or so. I'll try to read and answer questions people have.

while it doesnt mean an outside audit was actually done, Kasey Mills tweeted that she was told there was one

https://twitter.com/pokermommaa/stat...75306970025984

https://twitter.com/haralabob/status...84366066884608

Reupping this.

Members of the poker community: call the California Gaming Commission. Call the FBI. Call local police forces/DA offices. What Mike Postle did is illegal, what his co-conspirator(s) did is illegal, and if they played a part in aiding Mike or covering this up, the operators of Stones Live and/or Stones Gambling Hall should face the full weight of law enforcement.

I would like to nominee Michael Postle to be inducted into Cheaters Hall of Fame.

i think the simplest way for Mike to be cheating is that he has a buddy who has the holecard info, mb that person has access to the undelayed live stream, mb he doesnt, and is somehow telling Mike exactly what to do, most likey through txt message since hes always looking at his crotch.

Mb there are 3 ppl involved,
1. Mike the guy at the table
2. a buddy, in charge of holecards and telling what actions to take
3. floorman, the guy getting Mike into the games and clearance for the buddy to be where he needs to be for to get holecard data.

Why is Mike the perfect candidate to be at the table? hes an action player whos built up an image that could pass for crazy exploitative plays which is a great cover for superuser abilities. I could imagine this floorman and Mike have been friends for years and cooked up this plan together.

This is all speculation at this point, but its how id imagine it went down.

That 54o vs Ak vs AK is so blatant! If you guys are on the fence about him cheating just find that hand.

Great work! A casual $914/hr win rate over 277 hours. Absolutely nothing to see here folks.

Talking through this with some tech savvy friends and based on an ideal of how hard it would be to get constant texts or signals.

What if he is actually watching the live stream with the live rfid. So if he set up the equipment, and has RFID access and stones allows players to watch the stream(Delayed) What if old Mikey actually set it up to feed to his phone live. Meaning he is watching his bozo opponents on his phone with the Live stream, not the delayed stream. This would explain if someone briefly noticed him sweating the stream they actually saw him watching the stream which from the perspective of an opponent he is watching it like anyone else. Reality is its f**king real time...

Joey is simply amazing

I think it's harsh to start criticising people for allegedly not speaking up. No one would have gone through as many hands as Joey has. As Kasey said, who knows who you can and cannot trust? At least one person did raise their concerns to management, for all we know, others did too to varying degrees. The casino did a review. Those with suspicions have probably been second guessing themselves. Maybe people wanted more evidence, maybe people knew that they would cop criticism or be ostracised if they said or did anything. The only blame, if any, should be reserved for those that are involved in what looks to be cheating.

The 88 vs TT hand, he's stupid to not just chkfold the turn, wouldnt be the most OOL thing he did. Also he should play faster instead of do these stupid fake tanks since his winrate is like $1700/h in this game

Btw its now becoming somewhat clear that Justin is in on it, as I said earlier