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Old 03-20-2020, 03:04 PM   #10601
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It's pretty disheartening that law enforcement has taken this long and is so seemingly carefree that this hasn't been solved yet. If you talk to this officer for 2 minutes, its pretty apparent he doesn't know how to solve this case, isn't making much of an effort and doesn't have any plan... I know the civil case is ongoing and might bring some justice, but the criminal case from my perspective is a mess and the officer behind it doesn't care.
Even more disheartening has there been any response, or even an acknowledgement, from the State Agency that is supposed to, you know, regulate casinos in CA?
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:39 PM   #10602
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It's pretty disheartening that law enforcement has taken this long and is so seemingly carefree that this hasn't been solved yet. If you talk to this officer for 2 minutes, its pretty apparent he doesn't know how to solve this case, isn't making much of an effort and doesn't have any plan... I know the civil case is ongoing and might bring some justice, but the criminal case from my perspective is a mess and the officer behind it doesn't care.
Most people don't have a lot of respect for professional poker players. They see them as gamblers, who are either cheating, lucky, or stealing from nice fathers when drunk. Sure, it's popular among the kiddies but older people I talk to aren't fans.

I think the attitude of most Americans is, "you played poker in a casino and got ripped off, and you want the courts to solve it for you? guess what, just don't play poker and you won't lose money."

Keep in mind, in this respect people think about poker the same way they think about buying coffee at McDonalds. It doesn't matter that McD's had 700 reports of coffee foreseeably being spilled among the 100s of thousands of cups it was serving though a window, into a car, in the days before all cars had cup holders, at near boiling temperatures resulting in serious burns on many people of all ages, they just think if you buy hot coffee, you should be ready to get burned.
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:42 PM   #10603
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Even more disheartening has there been any response, or even an acknowledgement, from the State Agency that is supposed to, you know, regulate casinos in CA?
Not that I have seen. I believe the officer works with the California bureau of gambling control. I reached out to them today but no answer. If/when I get in contact with the California bureau of gambling control, I'm going to try to convey the ridiculous stance stones gambling hall has taken and ask how they haven't suspended their gambling license yet.

I have a pretty big problem around stones saying, "This lawsuit reflects the oldest complaint of gamblers – that their lack of success means they were cheated."

I'd hope the California bureau of gambling control does too. I'll keep you all updated...
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Old 03-20-2020, 04:01 PM   #10604
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Most people don't have a lot of respect for professional poker players. They see them as gamblers, who are either cheating, lucky, or stealing from nice fathers when drunk. Sure, it's popular among the kiddies but older people I talk to aren't fans.

I think the attitude of most Americans is, "you played poker in a casino and got ripped off, and you want the courts to solve it for you? guess what, just don't play poker and you won't lose money."

Keep in mind, in this respect people think about poker the same way they think about buying coffee at McDonalds. It doesn't matter that McD's had 700 reports of coffee foreseeably being spilled among the 100s of thousands of cups it was serving though a window, into a car, in the days before all cars had cup holders, at near boiling temperatures resulting in serious burns on many people of all ages, they just think if you buy hot coffee, you should be ready to get burned.
Couldn't agree more, the officer has no respect for me or what I could present to the case and probably doesn't respect me as a person because I am a professional poker player (why would anyone respect a poker player when 3 of the most famous poker players are Hellmuth, Ferguson and Matasow).

He probably doesn't understand why I have any interest in the case. Maybe I'm trying to help justice be served when I have a skill that can help (applying GTO to see how this guy cheated). Or maybe because I was sicken watching countless hours of this guy (and an employed accomplice(s)) steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from innocent casino goers and no ones been arrested and the casino is lying to the public.
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Old 03-20-2020, 04:15 PM   #10605
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Maybe I'm trying to help justice be served when I have a skill that can help (applying GTO to see how this guy cheated).
How would you do that?
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Old 03-20-2020, 05:09 PM   #10606
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How would you do that?
good question, it would be difficult, but this whole time, IMO there is enough evidence in just his play/lines/betting patterns for a criminal conviction. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I wrote 20 pages of strategy and cited 25-30 of the most blatant hands that he played while he was cheating, I think I could say with 100% certainty he was cheating even if there isn't another form of proof of him having access to the opponents hole cards. The gray area is if I could convince a jury/judge that he was 100% cheating by just his play... if the jury was a bunch of high stakes pros it would be easy, but I'd basically have to teach advanced strategy and explain how he could only make the moves he makes if he has access to his opponents cards.

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Old 03-20-2020, 05:41 PM   #10607
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good question, it would be difficult, but this whole time, IMO there is enough evidence in just his play/lines/betting patterns for a criminal conviction.
Dream on.

And how can you be in contact with the officer and not know who he works for?

Sacto Sheriff, Citrus Heights PD, Cal DOJ?
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Old 03-20-2020, 05:46 PM   #10608
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good question, it would be difficult, but this whole time, IMO there is enough evidence in just his play/lines/betting patterns for a criminal conviction. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I wrote 20 pages of strategy and cited 25-30 of the most blatant hands that he played while he was cheating, I think I could say with 100% certainty he was cheating even if there isn't another form of proof of him having access to the opponents hole cards. The gray area is if I could convince a jury/judge that he was 100% cheating by just his play... if the jury was a bunch of high stakes pros it would be easy, but I'd basically have to teach advanced strategy and explain how he could only make the moves he makes if he has access to his opponents cards.
But I don’t see where GTO comes into this. No one expects his play to be representative of GTO play whether he was cheating or not. It was clearly exploitative in either scenario, so how would you apply GTO here? Would you actually show the GTO line and explain the deviation from it because exploitative play is more profitable? That is going far afield from what is necessary to show that there is no way he can be making those plays consistently without knowing the hole cards.
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Old 03-20-2020, 06:00 PM   #10609
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Dream on.

And how can you be in contact with the officer and not know who he works for?

Sacto Sheriff, Citrus Heights PD, Cal DOJ?
Sorry I've been learning about the different departments... under the cal DOJ, in the bureau of gambling control, enforcement division. Just one person I've been on the phone with, I know he has other assignments.


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Old 03-20-2020, 06:18 PM   #10610
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But I don’t see where GTO comes into this. No one expects his play to be representative of GTO play whether he was cheating or not. It was clearly exploitative in either scenario, so how would you apply GTO here? Would you actually show the GTO line and explain the deviation from it because exploitative play is more profitable? That is going far afield from what is necessary to show that there is no way he can be making those plays consistently without knowing the hole cards.
That would be a large part of it. I watched all the hands 5-6 months ago so I'd obviously have to go back and watch a lot of it, and I said it would be 20 pages so don't expect me to explain it all here. But yes, there would be several hands depicting the concept of "how could you make that play unless you knew what the other player had". There are several examples, some of the ones from memory are the river over bets when it was AK v AK (and i think another one of AT v AT). Obviously these 2 hands aren't enough for a criminal conviction, but put together 20 pages of evidence supporting you can't make these plays unless you know your opponents hole cards, tie it together with different concepts, him folding in similar spots when the opponent had the top of their range... there are thousands of hands sitting on youtube to sort through again to use as evidence.

Even if he wasn't staring at his crotch the whole time, its obvious he's cheating by the way he's exploiting his opponents... just have to prove that... to a jury of non poker players.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:28 PM   #10611
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I would be really surprised by a criminal prosecution. There haven't been many prosecutions for cheating at poker. Poker games have traditionally been illegal or informal private games and there was no legal protection from cheating. The casino doesn't want it. It would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecutors are probably busy with what they regard as more serious crimes.

As far as regulation is concerned, it doesn't look good that staff was involved in running a crooked game, but I doubt they will do much about it either.

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Old 03-20-2020, 08:08 PM   #10612
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I don't know how many people are still reading this but...

The officer in charge of this criminal case cares so little about this it's hard to wrap my head around. I don't know if I should provide his contact info so more people get on him, but he has been doing pathetic work over the last 6 months. I've been in contact with him regularly, offering assistance in every way a poker player can and he is far from finishing this case and doesn't seem to care much as he has other cases to handle and the coronavirus is going on. Coronavirus was his excuse when I asked why this hasn't been solved yet, and he is very quick to point out that stones is currently shut down so he doesn't feel an injustice there (not like he did the previous 5 months).

It's pretty disheartening that law enforcement has taken this long and is so seemingly carefree that this hasn't been solved yet. If you talk to this officer for 2 minutes, its pretty apparent he doesn't know how to solve this case, isn't making much of an effort and doesn't have any plan... I know the civil case is ongoing and might bring some justice, but the criminal case from my perspective is a mess and the officer behind it doesn't care.
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:48 PM   #10613
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I would be really surprised by a criminal prosecution. There haven't been many prosecutions for cheating at poker. Poker games have traditionally been illegal or informal private games and there was no legal protection from cheating. The casino doesn't want it. It would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecutors are probably busy with what they regard as more serious crimes.

As far as regulation is concerned, it doesn't look good that staff was involved in running a crooked game, but I doubt they will do much about it either.
I'm not 100% sure what the charges would be, I'm guessing theft or fraud. In this case the casino is involved too. I'd have to assume most casinos want to protect players from being cheated if that's what you were saying. I agree with the low level of care from law enforcement. Call me crazy, but I think that's the problem. I'm trying (hoping) to have law enforcement handle this so this doesn't happen again. Perhaps there are more important things to handle in the world, but I think this deserves enforcement too.
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:59 PM   #10614
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The officer in charge of this criminal case cares so little about this it's hard to wrap my head around. I don't know if I should provide his contact info so more people get on him.
By all means post this public servant's info. He needs to hear from the concerned poker community.
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Old 03-20-2020, 10:07 PM   #10615
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By all means post this public servant's info. He needs to hear from the concerned poker community.
Agreed, I'll hold off on giving his cell phone number out for now, but here's his email:

adrian.retiz@doj.ca.gov

even just pressuring him into thinking this is an important matter helps, or how obvious it is that he's cheating, or just asking where he is in the case. gl
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Old 03-21-2020, 02:33 PM   #10616
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Has Mike gone postal yet?
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Old 03-21-2020, 06:56 PM   #10617
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No chance law enforcement will take an active interest.

V should have accused him of grabbing her ass = front page news.
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Old 03-21-2020, 06:59 PM   #10618
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Agreed, I'll hold off on giving his cell phone number out for now, but here's his email:

adrian.retiz@doj.ca.gov

even just pressuring him into thinking this is an important matter helps, or how obvious it is that he's cheating, or just asking where he is in the case. gl
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:19 PM   #10619
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Agreed, I'll hold off on giving his cell phone number out for now, but here's his email:

even just pressuring him into thinking this is an important matter helps, or how obvious it is that he's cheating, or just asking where he is in the case. gl
Holy crap, dude - WTF are you thinking? Do you really think that when he finds out you are the reason he's getting a barrage of harassing emails, he's going to be MORE inclined to help you?!

I understand you're frustrated, but seriously, you should probably delete your post ASAP.

And if you actually post his cell phone #, you're a stone-cold idiot.
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:29 PM   #10620
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Agreed, I'll hold off on giving his cell phone number out for now, but here's his email:

adrian.retiz@doj.ca.gov

even just pressuring him into thinking this is an important matter helps, or how obvious it is that he's cheating, or just asking where he is in the case. gl
Like that's going to help lots of random emails from poker players telling him how to do his job.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:13 PM   #10621
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I don't know if you can access through discovery but I would love to see the villains IRS transcript for the last 5 years.
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:02 AM   #10622
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By all means post this public servant's info. He needs to hear from the concerned poker community.

Speaking as a UK DPO (Data Protection Officer), which I am, in Europe 2+2 would have infringed GDPR for allowing that dudes email address to be posted online (and if cell phone was here...lol)

Now I think US DP law is enacted at state level (not an expert in the US field) but did California not recently introduce CCPA?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hat-does-it-do

I have heard that CCPA measures up to GDPR pretty well.

So I'm going to suggest that 2+2 might want to opt on the side of safety and redact that public servants personal data from this site before he gets to hear about and puts 2+2 in a world of pain.
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Old 03-22-2020, 02:59 AM   #10623
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I am going to second (or third) this response. I also work in the IT sector, Cal's recent data protection act is very similar to Europe's. The fact that I could take a screen shot of this already exposes 2+2 to a $2500 fine from the California Attorney Generals office.

Moderators might want to pay more attention to this kind of stuff and less attention to people's opinions.
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:31 AM   #10624
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You guys are idiots. A government employee's work email is not protected private information. Freedom of Information Act mother****ers, look it up!

USA! USA! USA!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califo...er_Privacy_Act

Read "CONSUMER".
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:33 AM   #10625
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I am going to second (or third) this response. I also work in the IT sector, Cal's recent data protection act is very similar to Europe's. The fact that I could take a screen shot of this already exposes 2+2 to a $2500 fine from the California Attorney Generals office.

Moderators might want to pay more attention to this kind of stuff and less attention to people's opinions.
You funny.

I didn't know contacting the police was a crime.

You should just email the Governor's office.

I'm sure they'll care.
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