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Old 03-06-2020, 03:02 PM   #10551
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Hold the phone.. this guy still plays???
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Old 03-06-2020, 03:22 PM   #10552
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Hold the phone.. this guy still plays???

Probably. Never heard that he’s actually banned from any properties. I do recall there being a sighting in Vegas some time ago (might have been in this thread or elsewhere).


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Old 03-06-2020, 03:35 PM   #10553
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Poker puns aside, the "prove it" card is the only hand Stones can really play here. As the adage goes, "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

For any of the lawyers who've been active in the thread, curious what burden of proof (for lack of a better word) would come into play here for the prosecution? Would the play be the statistical outlier showing MP never loses when playing on stream once the suspected cheating started? Would it be more meta in getting a "poker expert" to review hands showing that MP made the perfect play every time, some of which were plays where 99% of players would have gone bust on a hand unless they knew what their opponents were holding (so to speak)?

As poker players, we all know something was definitely going on and no one runs that hot and makes the plays he made time & time again on skill & instinct, but will that be easily proven to a jury of non poker players?
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Old 03-06-2020, 05:11 PM   #10554
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I am not a lawyer, but some of these posters don't understand the basics. It is totally standard to file a motion to dismiss claiming the suit has no merit.

Yeah, there may be issues proving it to a jury. Yes, it won't be as obvious to a jury as to poker players that it was cheating. The standard is a civil case in preponderance of evidence not proof. The case will almost certainly be settled and not go to a jury. Most cases are settled after discovery and depositions, but it could be settled earlier of later.
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Old 03-06-2020, 05:15 PM   #10555
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Aren’t most civil cases decided by a judge, not a jury? I wanna see Judge Judy on this case XD.
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Old 03-06-2020, 05:33 PM   #10556
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Aren’t most civil cases decided by a judge, not a jury? I wanna see Judge Judy on this case XD.
In the US, only very small cases are decided by a judge. It depends on the state or federal government. Only about 3% of civil cases and 5% of criminal cases go to trial though.
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Old 03-06-2020, 06:17 PM   #10557
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This isn't going to trial because the villains do not have the money to mount a defense.

Isn't Postle acting as his own attorney?
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:33 PM   #10558
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This isn't going to trial because the villains do not have the money to mount a defense.

Isn't Postle acting as his own attorney?


If he is, he’s a way bigger fish than I thought.


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Old 03-06-2020, 09:34 PM   #10559
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I would assumes Stones has lawyers representing them and they and/or any insurance company involved have plenty of money for lawyers.

I don't know if Postle can make a living at poker without cheating. In a way, it is strange he hasn't been seen playing, since I would think that is his job.
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Old 03-07-2020, 06:06 AM   #10560
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can you imagine if postle wins this case and tries to take action for defamation/lost earnings or something
I can't imagine that, but if I could, I'd fall back to the fact that poker players will know, for the rest of Postle's life, that he was a cheat.
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Old 03-07-2020, 06:08 AM   #10561
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In the US, only very small cases are decided by a judge. It depends on the state or federal government. Only about 3% of civil cases and 5% of criminal cases go to trial though.
Yep, It's mainly mediation and settlements.
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Old 03-07-2020, 02:44 PM   #10562
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Would the play be the statistical outlier showing MP never loses when playing on stream once the suspected cheating started? Would it be more meta in getting a "poker expert" to review hands showing that MP made the perfect play every time, some of which were plays where 99% of players would have gone bust on a hand unless they knew what their opponents were holding (so to speak)?
At the moment there is no evidence, that Postle results are statistical outlier.

There were losing sessions as well. It was not that he made correct decission every single time.

Only evidence comes from that some poker players feel, that his plays are not good. That's about it.

Then these players have very wishful though processes how juridical system works. Like it is automatic money if you file a lawsuit against any corporation just because you feel so.

Like there is only two possibilities. You get big money from your lawsuit 95%, or there is a trial and you get your big money (5%). And no possibility like you run out of money, or that everyone tells you to drop charges since probability to succeed is close to zero.

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Old 03-07-2020, 03:34 PM   #10563
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Geez, YOU again?

He cheated. The results Postle had are likely outside 6 sigma (need the full data set to be sure), which is effectively improbable in a game setting.

He’s guilty. No amount of trash posting you do in here is ever going to change anyone’s mind.


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Old 03-07-2020, 03:37 PM   #10564
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At the moment there is no evidence, that Postle results are statistical outlier.

There were losing sessions as well. It was not that he made correct decission every single time.

Only evidence comes from that some poker players feel, that his plays are not good. That's about it.

Then these players have very wishful though processes how juridical system works. Like it is automatic money if you file a lawsuit against any corporation just because you feel so.

Like there is only two possibilities. You get big money from your lawsuit 95%, or there is a trial and you get your big money (5%). And no possibility like you run out of money, or that everyone tells you to drop charges since probability to succeed is close to zero.

That will be your last post in this thread. You have 20 posts on 2+2 and all are in this thread defending Postle with ludicrous statements. Time to move on.
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Old 03-07-2020, 07:27 PM   #10565
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You only need preponderance of evidence for a guilty verdict in a civil suit. As long as the lawyer is able to properly explain to a lay jury all the crazy hands he's been playing, his lack of playing in any other casinos or games, the fact that he can't rationally explain his plays, his prior relationship with JFK, etc. it should be a very strong case.

I don't know how much or any evidence they have against Stones, other than the prior JFK/Postle relationship. So maybe they would get a guilty verdict against Postle but not Stones? And I doubt he has that much money. Maybe they will just OJ him and force him to give up all his assets and future income to cover the injunction but you want to go after the casino because they would have a lot more money.
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Old 03-07-2020, 10:11 PM   #10566
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I am not a lawyer, but some of these posters don't understand the basics. It is totally standard to file a motion to dismiss claiming the suit has no merit.

Yeah, there may be issues proving it to a jury. Yes, it won't be as obvious to a jury as to poker players that it was cheating. The standard is a civil case in preponderance of evidence not proof. The case will almost certainly be settled and not go to a jury. Most cases are settled after discovery and depositions, but it could be settled earlier of later.
This.

As I mentioned earlier even though its clear to us he/they cheated its tricky to explain it to a jury.
I fully expect Stones to settle but with no fault admitted on their part.
Its a big risk going to a jury where it would be easy for Lawyers to sow the seeds of doubt.
Stones also risks their reputation in a trial as it will be publicized even if they eventually win.
This just seems like a slam dunk case to settle.
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Old 03-07-2020, 10:59 PM   #10567
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

In civil cases, questions of fact are decided by a jury and issues of law are decided by the judge. Generally, when a motion to dismiss on the pleadings is filed, all of the facts of the pleadings is deemed true for the purposes of the motion practice. I don't see how the Plaintiffs will get knocked out at this point given the specifics of the allegations in the complaint. These motions don't knock out many complaints in their entirety but sometimes knock out a single cause of action.
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Old 03-08-2020, 12:12 AM   #10568
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Stones appears to have competent counsel.

Postle has no money or even a W2 to attach.

If there is a judgment, bankruptcy will clear his slate.

Every time a plaintiff has a background check, the lawsuit is going to show up. That may not be good for them.

If Postle has any game, once this is behind him his newfound celebrity will fill any table he plays and he will have a chance to make some money.
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Old 03-08-2020, 12:35 AM   #10569
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Stones appears to have competent counsel.

Postle has no money or even a W2 to attach.

If there is a judgment, bankruptcy will clear his slate.

Every time a plaintiff has a background check, the lawsuit is going to show up. That may not be good for them.

If Postle has any game, once this is behind him his newfound celebrity will fill any table he plays and he will have a chance to make some money.
If a casino was smart they would not let him play.

Cannot think of anything good that would come of it.
Bound to be lots of people **** talking at the table.
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Old 03-08-2020, 12:46 AM   #10570
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the best play for postle is probably to admit he cheated, get legally free and clear via bankruptcy (sounds like he's broke already) and then sell the rights to his story, there's at least a made for tv movie or a docudrama on history channel type stuff potential there
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Old 03-08-2020, 02:31 AM   #10571
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the best play for postle is probably to admit he cheated, get legally free and clear via bankruptcy (sounds like he's broke already) and then sell the rights to his story, there's at least a made for tv movie or a docudrama on history channel type stuff potential there

I think this is horrible advice. There may be legal implications for him if he admits that he cheated. Regardless not much is going to be gained from him because he probably has nothing.
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Old 03-08-2020, 03:28 AM   #10572
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

It cracks me up that Mike Postle's cheating chat is up to 10,500 posts and yet no one wants to talk about the truth. No one cares about the truth anymore.
I feel like I am literally the only human on earth who continues to fight for the integrity of poker, so just like Veronica and Joey before me I will continue to tell you like it is.

Mike Postle cheated but he didn't do it alone.

I believe this conversation at the Stones is probably the most significant conversation in the history of poker, the Lon McInYourEaren memorial hand.

If you are ever asked to defend the integrity of poker as the voice of poker, you may not want to specifically point to the most obvious example of superusing or probably the best laydown in the history of the great game of Pot Limit Omaha as your example of someone not cheating by listening to the announcer.

https://youtu.be/cRUn6xDb524

Once you learn that truth, you realize the Matrix is a system Nio and that system is our enemy.

https://youtu.be/NkZDVjS7GGQ
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Old 03-08-2020, 03:56 AM   #10573
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Stones appears to have competent counsel.

Postle has no money or even a W2 to attach.

If there is a judgment, bankruptcy will clear his slate.

Every time a plaintiff has a background check, the lawsuit is going to show up. That may not be good for them.

If Postle has any game, once this is behind him his newfound celebrity will fill any table he plays and he will have a chance to make some money.
I think it is more likely he will become a minor celebrity for a while and make his money that way.

The general public have a pretty dim view of poker, gambling, and professional poker players/gamblers and the whole scene that surrounds it, so to viewers of a TV chat show and readers of a newspaper/magazine article, the vast majority are IMO going to view Mike Postle as someone who beat the system by being clever and innovative, and won't view him as a criminal, even if he loses a civil and/or criminal case.

Professional poker players/gamblers in the eyes of the general public are probably rated as people above drug dealers and arms dealers but below virtually every other profession, so pro poker player on poker player crime will be viewed as "who cares" or "so what" by the general public, and may even be admired by many of them.

Most likely IMO is an out of court settlement in the civil case.

P.S. What Postle (and his possible accomplice(s)) did was definitely criminal/a crime, but only within the shady world of poker/gambling.
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Old 03-08-2020, 05:01 AM   #10574
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

the thing is this is how the general public already views poker players



cheating won't make him bad, if anything people assume we're all cheats anyway

he'll be like Archie Karas and all those other famous cheats who are still glorified to this day - we just don't see it that way because we're the one's being cheated but to the general public they assume it's happening anyway and he was just really good at it - much like everyone was using roids in the MLB, but Bonds just used HGH better than the other guys did

i honestly think the public will either be indifferent or even be drawn to him, even if they hate him he could have a career much like snookie
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Old 03-08-2020, 09:33 AM   #10575
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the best play for postle is probably to admit he cheated, get legally free and clear via bankruptcy (sounds like he's broke already) and then sell the rights to his story, there's at least a made for tv movie or a docudrama on history channel type stuff potential there
Dumb on multiple levels. Bankruptcy of a debt is not allowed for some intentional acts and there is supposedly a pending criminal investigation.
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