I kept thinking about this post ... i would bet a reasonable amount of money that this is Justin and here is why:
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What does it matter? Are you trying to Columbo this whole thing? I'd be careful with how much you say and do.
Your words are really strong and I've actually lost focus of who you "hate" or are "mad" at. If you are mad that MP cheated there are some interesting courses of actions here.
When I first spoke to Justin about Mike cheating one of his defenses was his accusation that everyone is Jealous or mad. Rather than focusing on the issue I brought up he would try to focus my attention to people's emotional states. I'm sure he learned this method after years of being a pastor.
Also, my words only carry weight because i have evidence to support my claim. Had there not been any cheating I would have been shunned by the community like i was for the first two days. The only reason people realized that I was right was because the evidence was overwhelmingly in my favor.
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Your basis was he couldn't be that lucky. So with the help of internet trolls you introduce the CTO.
Justin never knew enough about poker to realize how egregious Mike's actions were to poker players. This isn't anything that I created or introduced..MIKE DID!! Mike was looking at his crotch ALL OF THE TIME.
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My math is consistant with the the math by this Evert character.
you spelled consistent wrong
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Saying things like MP is heartless for taking $$ from Kevin in his final days. I find it convenient that you left out or omit the fact that Kevin took over $10k from MP the week before.
I remember after talking to Justin about Mike's potential cheating (in March) i did commentary and walked out of the booth flabbergasted after watching Mike play in God-Mode. I remember saying to Justin "Mike won a ton of money tonight" and he quickly defended Mike's winnings with "well he was just on a 20k (it was a number around there..25k) downswing"
this was Justin's rational, he is really good at trying to draw your attention away from the problem as though Kevin taking money off of mike the week before makes Mike cheating with Kevin in the game ok or not possible. this logic is the way Justin rationalizes things and this is the main reason i think this is Justin's writing.
Mike is winning and it looks like he's cheating
Justin's rebuttal - well mike loses too so he can't be cheating
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Originally Posted by PayDatBotItsMeoney
So who are you mad at? Who really did you wrong? Is it MP? Or JK?
again this is the typical propaganda machine...the man who doesn't understand poker, the man who thinks telling someone that no one understands Mike's poker and thinking that is an explanation that we should all be happy with. This is Justin's brain thinking that i am mad about something, mad enough to try to take down two "innocent" men for revenge. This is exactly your blind spot. I am not angry; both your and MP actions show obvious cheating, this is obvious to anyone who understands poker. You can't see that, you can't see how objective that is.
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Stones will drag this on so long that if the collective agrees on a $1000 each type deal they will take it. They won't have to admit any wrong doing, and the only thing you may take joy in is JK will no longer be a TD there or possibly anywhere in North America again.
Again, Justin has a terrible problem of being results oriented. He thinks, from our perspective, that because no one will end up in jail and stones will pay out pennies that all of this was a fruitless endeavor and we all should have probably shut up and let it continue.
This is the results orientated thinking of Justin not being able to see that justice, in many ways has happened, we got a cheater off of a stream, we exposed the two of you and neither one of you should be allowed to work in poker anywhere again (mike used to deal). Mike shouldn't be allowed to play poker anywhere again. He can move to Nevada and play poker there on-line and crush since he has claimed to be the very best.
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Finally, take this with school of thought. I worked production for SLP. Those "graphic" mistakes everyone gravitates too happened ALL the time. Even before MP little run. The readers there suck. The software there is Home Poker game worthy, not full production worthy. People around me in the production fought hard with JK to improve the stream's infrastructure.
I remember in the early days of the stream the cards would read incorrectly or wouldn't read at all. I remember they would continue to read then incorrectly consistently throughout many hands. i remember there being days where we had to stop the game to re-calibrate the table and cards because a card kept misreading consistently. it would never be just for one person constantly and then back to normal.
you saying that it was a home game quality is a lie. I know Justin told me how much money stones was putting into the stream. he had a new booth put in and new cameras, improved the tech equipment and microphones.
there were occasional problems like when you guys forgot to switch it to an omaha game and mike grew frustrated that only 2 cards were reading and he couldn't properly cheat, telling his opponent to keep putting their cards on the reader and kept rubbing his own cards over the reader.
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For the record and neither for or against whether he cheated, but i think it is messed up when something you started has people making threats and comments about his daughter or accusations that MP is a heartless person to takes 1000s from terminally ill people.
first, i would never condone people threatening anyone, let alone a child but to blame this on me is terrible.
second, this is exactly what justin would do, make this into an emotional topic rather than focusing on the facts. YOU CHEATED!! that's what's wrong here, that is what has caused bad things to happen to you and MIKE!!
also, mike has largely been secluded, how do you know that his daughter is being threatened? I have not heard this at all. probably because you and Mike are still in constant contact.
Here is what i believe to be a timeline of Mike and Justin.
the accusations came out, they were overwhelmed and defended themselves for a while and retreated still in contact with each other.
they mostly remained silent for fear of criminal charges.
once the dust settled, and they didn't get arrested, they realized that they might criminally get away with this, Justin even more so because he gets off when stones settles the civil case. So they decided to come up with a propaganda plan (which was probably thought up by Justin because in his mind this stuff works) which consists of:
Creating an "updated" version of the numbers (as though changes in numbers, even if true, would equate to not cheating..again this is Justin's thought process).
shopping around to different media outlets with their new "math" and i wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to post that article that they probably wrote.
they have created multiple twitter accounts that are defending Mike hard (and it's obviously Mike and/or Justin based off of things they have tweeted)
They have created several Youtube accounts to troll
and now they have created 2+2 accounts.
they are trying to fight objective numbers with emotional confusion and it's not going to work