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Old 12-02-2019, 05:22 PM   #9976
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Be careful. You are called a troll if you interfere with the narrative that he was a massive cheat.
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Please educate us on the facts that prove clearly and convincingly (a middle of the road standard of proof) that Postle is "guilty" of cheating so that we can all agree with your worthwhile opinion.
Nearly 10k posts ITT and yet we still get these gems. Amazing.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:09 PM   #9977
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He took a risk playing this style ?



Did I miss something ? He played this style because he knew what cards everyone had and knew when they missed a flop he could bet them off. Or if had kk and a flopped could bet them off.



Are you trying to say he should of played tighter even though he knew what cards everyone had ?


Yes, he played far from optimal. He, of course, should play looser, but no where near the level he did. He got himself into bad position where he did have to make hero folds on the river. That wasn’t free.

There were a lot of sessions where he basically broke-even, even with ‘God-mode’. My guess that was the deal he made with someone to draw more viewers.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:18 PM   #9978
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Please educate us on the facts that prove clearly and convincingly (a middle of the road standard of proof) that Postle is "guilty" of cheating so that we can all agree with your worthwhile opinion.
If you still need to be educated that it is not possible to play perfect poker session after session after session, I am sure someone with more free time to feed trolls than me will educate you.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:33 PM   #9979
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Yes, he played far from optimal. He, of course, should play looser, but no where near the level he did. He got himself into bad position where he did have to make hero folds on the river. That wasn’t free.

There were a lot of sessions where he basically broke-even, even with ‘God-mode’. My guess that was the deal he made with someone to draw more viewers.
At no times did he ever have to make a hero fold because he knew what his opponents had, however there were some hands when he folded second nuts because his opponents had nuts( like hand he had ace high flush and folded to straight flush)

Also he never got stacked off, I didn’t watch all the hands but never saw him do this.....

So your whole argument isn’t that he cheated or not, just he didn’t do it optimally because he only made 250K playing 1/3 lol ok man
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:10 PM   #9980
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At no times did he ever have to make a hero fold because he knew what his opponents had, however there were some hands when he folded second nuts because his opponents had nuts( like hand he had ace high flush and folded to straight flush)



Also he never got stacked off, I didn’t watch all the hands but never saw him do this.....



So your whole argument isn’t that he cheated or not, just he didn’t do it optimally because he only made 250K playing 1/3 lol ok man


This game being 1/3 and trying to calculate it off BB/100 or BB/hr is total BS. It should be calculated off of buy-ins (~$2k). He averaged a buy-in per session. It wasn’t at the outrageous level being bandied around here.

He cheated and manipulated the outcome. I have no doubt about it. The penalty is probably still the same regardless if he only took 25% of the max.

It is a tough case though. You can throw a lot of dirt on it. You start going hand by hand and it could be flipped around that he would never play cards like he did if he had hole card info. Maybe that is the reason he played the way he did...
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:23 PM   #9981
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This game being 1/3 and trying to calculate it off BB/100 or BB/hr is total BS. It should be calculated off of buy-ins (~$2k). He averaged a buy-in per session. It wasn’t at the outrageous level being bandied around here.

He cheated and manipulated the outcome. I have no doubt about it. The penalty is probably still the same regardless if he only took 25% of the max.

It is a tough case though. You can throw a lot of dirt on it. You start going hand by hand and it could be flipped around that he would never play cards like he did if he had hole card info. Maybe that is the reason he played the way he did...
The whole point of cheating is to not make it too obvious your cheating which he did a terrible job doing considering he never call with a losing hand and it’s on stream so everyone can see
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:42 PM   #9982
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The amazing thing about his God-like powers is he achieved an impossible win rate with donkish preflop that. Didn't he see the flop like 60% of the time. Also, did he ever 3-bet a premium hand? He flat called with AK and KK.

However strong the case will be to a jury and however much damages the plaintiffs could get, Stones has some incentive to settle this quickly to avoid bad publicity and possible additional relevations.
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Old 12-02-2019, 11:21 PM   #9983
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If you still need to be educated that it is not possible to play perfect poker session after session after session, I am sure someone with more free time to feed trolls than me will educate you.
I think there is little evidence developed to date that proves he was viewing the live stream in real time and had one or two staff member feeding it to him. I think there is confirmation bias in the hand/session reviews, the statistical analysis is awful and bb win rate calculations are obviously flawed. Perhaps you also believe the twitter feed was used to confirm payment of 50k to the announcers and that there are 8-10 cohorts.

Who knows why you believe he cheate based upon the information you have articulated. IMO, your opinion is pretty worthless without backing up the facts you are relying on for your conclusion. Of course, I did not expect you would be able to show your work.

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Nearly 10k posts ITT and yet we still get these gems. Amazing.
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9k of which are crap, 1k have merit.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:20 AM   #9984
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I think there is little evidence developed to date that proves he was viewing the live stream in real time and had one or two staff member feeding it to him. I think there is confirmation bias in the hand/session reviews, the statistical analysis is awful and bb win rate calculations are obviously flawed. Perhaps you also believe the twitter feed was used to confirm payment of 50k to the announcers and that there are 8-10 cohorts.

Who knows why you believe he cheate based upon the information you have articulated. IMO, your opinion is pretty worthless without backing up the facts you are relying on for your conclusion. Of course, I did not expect you would be able to show your work.

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9k of which are crap, 1k have merit.
Do you really believe this, are you trolling because you like causing trouble, or are you working with the cheaters?
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:43 AM   #9985
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There were a lot of sessions where he basically broke-even, even with ‘God-mode’.
This is because he was fishing about till the river with weird draws when his opponents had hands he knew he would stack if he hit - obviously you don’t always hit so doing this costs money some sessions.... Do this with god mode off and you end up missing + bluffing into the nuts or hitting + not getting paid.... he never bluffed into the nuts and he always got paid.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:00 AM   #9986
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Do you really believe this, are you trolling because you like causing trouble, or are you working with the cheaters?
Perfect example of the 9,001 crap posts in this thread. I have come to the conclusion he was cheating too but I am not sitting on a jury where there is a standard of proof and a party's burden of proof. There is currently nothing, nada, zip proving the hole card information was transmitted to Postle via his phone. No screenshots, no evidence the stream was accessed by Postle, no communications known of or intercepted with JFK or that the stream was not encrypted and/or he had the key code. I asked JW to articulate his analysis and get no response but look at the 10,000 posts like they are evidence a judge will admit in court.

But I must be working with the cheaters (so now there are 9-11 or am I one of the original 8-10?) because I think that there are problems with the evidence and analysis. Just lol.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:05 AM   #9987
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

guys... the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them... they just want a response, seriously, just stfu and stop engaging with them, if they are here posting in his defense they are either trolling or autistic, in which case a rational discussion is impossible and just pollutes the thread
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:56 AM   #9988
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guys... the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them... they just want a response, seriously, just stfu and stop engaging with them, if they are here posting in his defense they are either trolling or autistic, in which case a rational discussion is impossible and just pollutes the thread
THIS !
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:45 PM   #9989
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This is because he was fishing about till the river with weird draws when his opponents had hands he knew he would stack if he hit - obviously you don’t always hit so doing this costs money some sessions.... Do this with god mode off and you end up missing + bluffing into the nuts or hitting + not getting paid.... he never bluffed into the nuts and he always got paid.


I 100% agree. I just don’t think this was an optimal playing style to maximize his earnings.

He cheated. It doesn’t really matter why. He seriously messed with the integrity of the game.

Just like many others, I don’t think there is a preponderance of evidence...yet. Too much conjecture. Too much play that is debatable. Too much plausible deniability. Not enough specifics. Too many theories.

There was though more than enough suspicion to conduct an investigation and catch it in progress. Sadly that didn’t happen.
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:48 PM   #9990
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My guess that was the deal he made with someone to draw more viewers.
i heard after postle signed his exclusivity deal with stones their viewership rocketed into the double digits
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Old 12-03-2019, 12:54 PM   #9991
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Perfect example of the 9,001 crap posts in this thread. I have come to the conclusion he was cheating too but I am not sitting on a jury where there is a standard of proof and a party's burden of proof. There is currently nothing, nada, zip proving the hole card information was transmitted to Postle via his phone. No screenshots, no evidence the stream was accessed by Postle, no communications known of or intercepted with JFK or that the stream was not encrypted and/or he had the key code. I asked JW to articulate his analysis and get no response but look at the 10,000 posts like they are evidence a judge will admit in court.

But I must be working with the cheaters (so now there are 9-11 or am I one of the original 8-10?) because I think that there are problems with the evidence and analysis. Just lol.
Bloody hell, what a convincing argument.

You think he did it, but you can see no proof.

Like you are TOO BLOODY STUPID to look at the way he played HAND AFTER HAND. SESSION AFTER SESSION.

Sorry, this will have gone WAAAAAAAAAY over your head.

So of course you can't see any evidence.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:36 PM   #9992
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i heard after postle signed his exclusivity deal with stones their viewership rocketed into the double digits
When I said this people were jumping on my throat.

Of course it was fishy the whole "Postle show" resulting in more viewership attention and finally Cheating.

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Old 12-03-2019, 04:46 PM   #9993
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I 100% agree. I just don’t think this was an optimal playing style to maximize his earnings.

He cheated. It doesn’t really matter why. He seriously messed with the integrity of the game.

Just like many others, I don’t think there is a preponderance of evidence...yet. Too much conjecture. Too much play that is debatable. Too much plausible deniability. Not enough specifics. Too many theories.

There was though more than enough suspicion to conduct an investigation and catch it in progress. Sadly that didn’t happen.
I said this too, and people were jumping on my throat.

Should have cought him before setting off the alarm and allowing him to pack all things up that would have been evidence. I critized veronica for a poor judgmemt call to not set him up. People were jumping on my throat! But now you have that mess.

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Old 12-03-2019, 04:49 PM   #9994
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In defence to veronica, that was maybe the only thing she could have done, but it was not very smart in retrospect. And at least she did "something"

I dont actually want to say Joey should have been smarter in the proceedings because I love his content.

But Joey this is not how you catch a thief like this!!

Next time keep it confidential and set him up.

And for people asking how: just take the phone off him.if you are so sure he was cheating. Where is the f problem in that? Don't go on the internet yelling he is cheating because you CANNOT prove anything afterwards!

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Old 12-03-2019, 05:18 PM   #9995
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Lawyer here. The civil case is 99.9% likely to result in a confidential settlement agreement. Not a question of if, but when that will happen. I would expect Stones to pay most of it, mainly to protect its reputation. Sadly, that means we will never learn much if anything that is uncovered in discovery.
"Protect [Stones'] reputation"??? Stones has no reputation at this point. Until and unless they put Justin Kuraitis' head on a pike on their walls, no sane player will set foot in the place.

Who would want to gamble in a place where the managers conspire to cheat you?
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:43 PM   #9996
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So, in the last thousand posts, what have we learned?
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:50 PM   #9997
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"Protect [Stones'] reputation"??? Stones has no reputation at this point. Until and unless they put Justin Kuraitis' head on a pike on their walls, no sane player will set foot in the place.

Who would want to gamble in a place where the managers conspire to cheat you?
You don't know what else will come out at discovery about how the cheating was accomplished technically, how the original investigation was handled, etc. There may be a lot things Stones doesn't want made public.

JFK hasn't been seen at Stones. Maybe he is taking a really long vacation. Your suggestion might get them in more legal trouble.
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:42 PM   #9998
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If we only take into account his playing on Stones then how much did Mike win? I think that would be a pretty important piece of information and I can't seem to find a total of his winnings.
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OK. Thanks. I don't know why it took me this long to confirm to myself that you should not be taken at all seriously, but this does it.

To make clear to others: golfnutt has concluded that Mike Postle did in fact cheat but he would have won an amount in the same range even if he did not see the hole cards of the other players.

I won't be reading your posts anymore. Carry on.
golf and jj are some of the absolute worst posters over the years in other forums, not shocked to see them bring the same level of quality to nvg.
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In defence to veronica, that was maybe the only thing she could have done, but it was not very smart in retrospect. And at least she did "something"

I dont actually want to say Joey should have been smarter in the proceedings because I love his content.

But Joey this is not how you catch a thief like this!!

Next time keep it confidential and set him up.

And for people asking how: just take the phone off him.if you are so sure he was cheating. Where is the f problem in that? Don't go on the internet yelling he is cheating because you CANNOT prove anything afterwards!

I don’t know what else you expect. She was screaming about irregularities during the broadcast. She reported it to the casino and they investigated and closed it. She tweeted about it.

The casino failed to investigate properly. They certainly didn’t give a single person any confidence that he wasn’t up to something — the only question is what he did and how much he cheated. Even one hand is one hand too many. He has some background with the business.

The cover-up (as usual) is worse than the crime. They are going to get slaughtered. The only question is how much they pay and how it is allocated.

Postle may escape. Legally. Nobody is going to forget this and he will forever be tagged a cheater.
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