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Old 11-06-2019, 10:35 AM   #9676
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Yeah I'm sure casinos wouldn't care that Mike Postle cheated players and circumvented casino security to do so. They welcome such players! They want to be sued for millions! I'm sure they would love the publicity allowing a known cheater to play at their casino would bring.

I've only been playing poker since 2003. Did the Ultimate Bet cheating scandal get national coverage? Or Michael Borovetz? No. Full Tilt's insolvency and inability to pay players was part of the larger black friday situation.

You couldn't be more wrong.
I was once at a 20/40 limit table at a local cardroom when the player in seat 9 spit on the player in seat 8 after seat 8 invoked IWTSTH.

Seat 9 was barred for a year. He served out that time and then came back, and now is back to being a regular player in the room.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that the liability issues there are serious. If seat 9 ever assaults another player again, there's a plausible lawsuit against the casino. And yet, they let him play.

Cardrooms, in my experience, do not care nearly as much as they should about liability concerns arising from known dangerous players. My guess is managers operate from the premise that poker is full of scummy people and they aren't going to start kicking all of them out.
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:50 AM   #9677
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Was Russ Hamilton on video cheating for hundreds of hours? No. Did Russ Hamilton have one of the biggest threads about him on 2p2 discussing his cheating? No. Was there a segment on ESPN Sportscenter discussing Russ Hamilton's cheating? No. Did Russ Hamilton's cheating scandal recieve even 1/1000th of the attention that Mike Postle's cheating scandal has? No.

It's also why I suggested talking to the floor about 86ing him instead of how one player dealt with Russ Hamilton at his table which was to yell and berate him and make himself look like the bad guy. Don't do that. Just calmly talk to the floor and persuade other players to do so as well. Then if they allow him to continue to play, leave and let the floor know you are going to spread the word on social media that that establishment allows known cheaters to play there.
60 minutes did a section on him
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:13 AM   #9678
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Did the Ultimate Bet cheating scandal get national coverage?
Does 60 Minutes count? Let it go already....

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You couldn't be more wrong.
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:18 AM   #9679
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Or Michael Borovetz?
Borovetz, NY Post:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/poker-...ers-for-years/

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Old 11-06-2019, 11:22 AM   #9680
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What happened with Russ Hamilton etc. on UB was on a bigger scale than this. That effected all games on a major online card room. This is just one table of effectively mid stakes. This is incredibly brazen to do such blatant cheating on TV, but it isn't a bigger scandal than UB.
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:27 AM   #9681
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Remember the Bellagio kicking Howard Lederer out of the poker room when he showed up to play?
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:45 AM   #9682
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No. I only remember them letting him play and people didn't like it. Link?
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Old 11-06-2019, 02:55 PM   #9683
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What happened with Russ Hamilton etc. on UB was on a bigger scale than this. That effected all games on a major online card room. This is just one table of effectively mid stakes. This is incredibly brazen to do such blatant cheating on TV, but it isn't a bigger scandal than UB.
Yup, Mike's scam is no more than a few hundred thousand. UB refunded $22 million.

And Russ cheated for almost 4 years.
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:07 AM   #9684
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Have there been any Postle sightings lately?
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:59 PM   #9685
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Hella grunching this, any bro do me a solid and quick update me what's happening to date, to the Stone, etc...I guess it's a legit casino? Anyone else implicated besides Postle for sure? Man, that guy is LOL playing so obviously lmao, and those commentators, CRINGE CITY. Never heard of the guy till now.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:04 PM   #9686
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So I assume we should also refer to criminals as "a rob", "a murder", "an embezzle", "a forge" and so on. Very British to derail things about using the proper term.
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This thread has been train wrecked.
Is someone or something who derails trains or threads then a derailer? Yes, but when i google it I get: "Did you mean: derailleur"? But that's a bicycle part. And the second link is this: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

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I am on a one-man campaign to replace the foreign spelling "dérailleur" with the English spelling and pronunciation "derailer." I have been using this spelling in all of my writing for some time, and urge others to do the same.

The word "derailer" (or "dérailleur") is actually a metaphor, relating the gear change to what happens when a railroad train goes off the tracks. In English, we call this a "derailment," not a "déraillement."

In fact, in the railroad industry, there is an obscure device designed to deliberately derail a runaway rail car. This device has always been called a "derailer" in English, and a "dérailleur" in French.
Though the thread has now been fully derailed, I'm sure it will get back on track when some new information comes out.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:14 PM   #9687
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What I don't get as I'm just catching his videos, is why didn't anyone bring up him staring down at his "manmeat" lol? Surely ppl are looking for tells and he's been doing that constantly, surprised it went for so long, he won over a 1/4 of a mil? Sorry if this was probably asked b4.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:35 PM   #9688
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What I don't get as I'm just catching his videos, is why didn't anyone bring up him staring down at his "manmeat" lol? Surely ppl are looking for tells and he's been doing that constantly, surprised it went for so long, he won over a 1/4 of a mil? Sorry if this was probably asked b4.
He attempts to disguise it by pretending he's looking at his hole cards, and I believe also sometimes rubbing his neck as if he needs to give it a good stretch. Having the bill of his hat pulled down low helps because you can't actually see that his eyes aren't actually looking in the direction of his cards. Apparently, it worked. Are there any examples where he is just blatantly looking at his crotch without any pretense?
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:43 PM   #9689
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He attempts to disguise it by pretending he's looking at his hole cards, and I believe also sometimes rubbing his neck as if he needs to give it a good stretch. Having the bill of his hat pulled down low helps because you can't actually see that his eyes aren't actually looking in the direction of his cards. Apparently, it worked. Are there any examples where he is just blatantly looking at his crotch without any pretense?
Thanks, I can see that, but what I'm wondering is players are quite observant, given so many hours he's playing and the angle he's looking down, especially to his nearest neighbors, just weird no one outted him sooner. Unfortunately I have benefit of hindsight and am looking at it. Maybe they even kinda knew but didn't think much of it...I think they could even use the phone during hands so didn't believe it's possible someone was getting an actual livefeed?

So how was he finally busted?
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:29 PM   #9690
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the players could legally watch the livestream delayed while they were playing. that is what they thought he was doing.
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:54 AM   #9691
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So how was he finally busted?
See the FAQ in the first post of this thread.
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:22 AM   #9692
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Minor derail thread clean up done

Thank y'all for da grammar lessons but take it somewhere else.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:55 AM   #9693
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Thanks, I can see that, but what I'm wondering is players are quite observant, given so many hours he's playing and the angle he's looking down, especially to his nearest neighbors, just weird no one outted him sooner. Unfortunately I have benefit of hindsight and am looking at it
With hindsight, his crotch stares look obvious to us, but most of the time when he checks his phone, the action is not on him. People generally only look for tells when someone is about to bet/check/fold etc, so I would guess that most of Mike's weird behaviours only appeared in the other players' peripheral vision. I mean, it's not as if the dealer said "The action is on seat two" and then Mike had a good stare while people waited for him to check his phone. He usually found out the cards before he had a significant decision to make.
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:02 PM   #9694
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Old 11-09-2019, 12:47 AM   #9695
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I think the whole poker community know Of Mike Postle by now as a cheat.
How exactly he did it is being investigated but during god mode I watched Mike Stand up on several occasions & no sign of the phone so I think he used a Bone Conductor & later updated to Whole Cards on His Mobile Phone.

I would not want to be in Postles shoes but Chris Ferguson of the old full tilt is back in Action.
The 'whole poker community' does NOT know about this incident. A recent survey of about 20 people at Encore/Boston revealed 15 who never heard of the incident, 4 who had 'heard something about some guy cheating' but couldn't tell me any details (Who, where, how, etc...) and *1* person who basically was tuned in.

As much as the super-inner-hardcore people know, the casual/rec player is ignorant of the event.
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:50 PM   #9696
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The 'whole poker community' does NOT know about this incident.
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I doubt more than 5% of the global poker playing population know anything about this story.

I spoken to quite a few regs/recs over the years who have never heard of 2+2 or who are aware of it, but have never subscribed.

In our little internet bubble we constantly delude ourselves that everybody who is anybody is tuned in...it just isn't so.
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Old 11-09-2019, 06:33 PM   #9697
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In our little internet bubble we constantly delude ourselves that everybody who is anybody is tuned in...it just isn't so.
This.

One (or even three or four) news stories is hardly even a blip these days. Major news events that affect huge amounts of people go unnoticed by large portions of the population; a story like this isn't getting huge traction.

A decent number of tuned in poker players will know about it, but definitely not the "whole poker community".
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Old 11-09-2019, 07:02 PM   #9698
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Mike is a terrible human being, but he is not that bad a player. It's not like he has no chance to win or something.
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:16 PM   #9699
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:07 AM   #9700
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I’ve actually heard quite a few recs talking about it and have seen a number of others watching Doug Polk videos about it on their phones but the rec regs at the hard rock in Tampa are super tryhard.
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