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Old 11-04-2019, 05:21 PM   #9626
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I think he's more greedy than dumb.
Did you hear the interview with Mike Matasow? Seriously some of the dumbest things I've heard spoken in a lifetime and I hear myself talk all the time, so that's saying something.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:04 PM   #9627
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Did you hear the interview with Mike Matasow? Seriously some of the dumbest things I've heard spoken in a lifetime and I hear myself talk all the time, so that's saying something.
Yes. He did seem very dumb.

But he came off as extremely greedy with some of the **** he pulled.

He's a lot of both.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:25 PM   #9628
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How about we ask him to explain his thinking process on these hands beyond "URRRRR I WANTED TO BEAT MONEYMAKER WITH THE MONEYMAKER" and I think that'll sufficiently prove he isn't the player he wants us to believe he is.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:35 PM   #9629
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How about we ask him to explain his thinking process on these hands beyond "URRRRR I WANTED TO BEAT MONEYMAKER WITH THE MONEYMAKER"
tbh this was actually the most reasonable explanation he provided of all. They did the same **** with T2 on HSP against Doyle.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:48 PM   #9630
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+1

I don't think you go straight from idea to full blown implementation

I haven't reviewed the videos but one of the more surprising revelations was that it was just full on from the start, I'd have always imagined he spent months (if not longer) only bringing it out for a bit pot or two before he just started embracing it every hand but from my understanding it's somewhat clear that there weren't any piecemeal cheating before going full on
Actually there are a handful of sessions where he seemingly had God mode off and then turned it on. Even one where he set his cell phone into his crotch mid-session.

And one other thing- it's possible he tested it at some point without actually cheating. Indeed, that would seem like the sensible thing for anyone to do. Just play normally and check on your cell phone at some point and see if it is displaying the hole card information or something. Or record it and compare it later to the youtube video of the session.

There's all sorts of ways to do a test without going into God mode play.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:52 PM   #9631
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tbh this was actually the most reasonable explanation he provided of all. They did the same **** with T2 on HSP against Doyle.
The inconsistency is between that sort of strategizing and calling yourself a great player with amazing soul reads.

Obviously the actual results make any explanation ridiculous, but if you were going to try and explain it, there'd only be two plausible stories:

1. I decided to play like a complete donk because it was a televised stream and I wanted to entertain viewers, and at some point I started running like God and there's nothing quite like a fish on a heater.

OR

2. I am a world class player who is picking up advanced level tells. I spot things like a player wiggling his eyes or a change in the way she plays with her chips, and I can just tell if they are strong or weak.

But the thing is, you have to pick one. Postle didn't. On the one hand, when he says stuff like "beat Moneymaker with the Moneymaker", he's posing as a (1). But when he says "I'm a great player with great reads", he's posing as a (2). You aren't both at the same time.
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Old 11-04-2019, 07:01 PM   #9632
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But the thing is, you have to pick one. Postle didn't. On the one hand, when he says stuff like "beat Moneymaker with the Moneymaker", he's posing as a (1). But when he says "I'm a great player with great reads", he's posing as a (2). You aren't both at the same time.
But I provided you a clear counterexample of situations where you are, in fact, 1 and 2 (T2 on HSP). You see contemporary examples of this on LATB all the time where otherwise good, winning players want to act cute with 72. What kind of rationalization are you hoping to hear? The guy claims he has live reads. He wouldn't frame any explanation for his play in foundational poker because his winrate demands extreme exploitation.
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Old 11-04-2019, 07:39 PM   #9633
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But I provided you a clear counterexample of situations where you are, in fact, 1 and 2 (T2 on HSP). You see contemporary examples of this on LATB all the time where otherwise good, winning players want to act cute with 72. What kind of rationalization are you hoping to hear? The guy claims he has live reads. He wouldn't frame any explanation for his play in foundational poker because his winrate demands extreme exploitation.
If it was one hand, sure!

I am not saying that a top pro might decide "you know what, just for fun, I'm gonna get really out of line because we're on a stream". But his other plays should be explicable using some form of poker logic- and when we're talking about playing a bunch of terrible hands pre-flop out of position, it better be based on some sorts of live reads where he can sense other players' weaknesses.

What happened here is that Postle, in his interviews on stream, continually explained all of his plays in donk-terminology, but then went on Matusow and said he was one of the best players in the world with great live soul-reads.
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:34 PM   #9634
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tbh this was actually the most reasonable explanation he provided of all. They did the same **** with T2 on HSP against Doyle.
That would be a good explanation of why he makes bad plays. Bad plays result in not being a winning player, making it practically impossible to win as much as he did.
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:07 PM   #9635
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But has he been heard from? Particularly by Verstandig Law. Has Stones responded? Has Postle responded?
Stones has been cooperating from what Mac has told me. I am not sure if Mike or Justin have been served yet. Last time i spoke with Mac it was being worked on.

Also, officially today, Mac on the run it once podcast said that a criminal investigation has been started
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:26 PM   #9636
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Stones has been cooperating from what Mac has told me. I am not sure if Mike or Justin have been served yet. Last time i spoke with Mac it was being worked on.

Also, officially today, Mac on the run it once podcast said that a criminal investigation has been started
Thanks for the update Veronica - good to know. I guess the computer forensics company hired by Stones (Stroz Friedberg) may well have uncovered useful evidence.
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Old 11-05-2019, 12:39 AM   #9637
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Stones has been cooperating from what Mac has told me. I am not sure if Mike or Justin have been served yet. Last time i spoke with Mac it was being worked on.

Also, officially today, Mac on the run it once podcast said that a criminal investigation has been started
Are their internal investigations discoverable? Both the current one post the public allegations and the one they supposedly did previously after you initially voiced your concerns privately to Justin?
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:21 AM   #9638
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Mike Postle explaining to Justin why he played 94o
"Uh we were just talking about the 49ers and so I felt I had to play it. Plus I uh had so much wine or something"
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:21 AM   #9639
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Is Mike Postle still grinding his local 2/5?
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:39 AM   #9640
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Is Mike Postle still grinding his local 2/5?
No. Mike Postle is persona non grata at any poker table for the rest of his life. He wasn't even grinding 2/5 during his cheating run, he was only playing on stream, lest his god like nature be diminished. If you should see him at any poker room inform the floor that he is a known cheater and that you don't feel comfortable playing in that establishment if they allow him to play there. Tell other people around you who he is and to inform the floor also. Cheaters should be permanently 86'd from all poker games.
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Old 11-05-2019, 03:18 AM   #9641
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No. Mike Postle is persona non grata at any poker table for the rest of his life. He wasn't even grinding 2/5 during his cheating run, he was only playing on stream, lest his god like nature be diminished. If you should see him at any poker room inform the floor that he is a known cheater and that you don't feel comfortable playing in that establishment if they allow him to play there. Tell other people around you who he is and to inform the floor also. Cheaters should be permanently 86'd from all poker games.
Honestly I dont know if they'd kick him out unless the investigation/trial concludes with a guilty verdict. And even then I really don't see every room kicking him out
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Old 11-05-2019, 03:18 AM   #9642
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Is Mike Postle still grinding his local 2/5?
lucky for him hes an online poker god anyways
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Old 11-05-2019, 03:46 AM   #9643
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Honestly I dont know if they'd kick him out unless the investigation/trial concludes with a guilty verdict. And even then I really don't see every room kicking him out
If several people tell the floor he's a known cheater and that they don't feel comfortable playing in a room where known cheaters are allowed to play, I can't imagine any reasonable floor person would allow him to continue to play there. It would be bad for business. People would talk about it and word getting out that such and such a place allows cheaters to play there is very bad publicity. I certainly wouldn't play in any poker room that allowed Mike Postle to play, would you?

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Old 11-05-2019, 05:59 AM   #9644
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No. Mike Postle is persona non grata at any poker table for the rest of his life. He wasn't even grinding 2/5 during his cheating run, he was only playing on stream, lest his god like nature be diminished. If you should see him at any poker room inform the floor that he is a known cheater and that you don't feel comfortable playing in that establishment if they allow him to play there. Tell other people around you who he is and to inform the floor also. Cheaters should be permanently 86'd from all poker games.
can you give some examples of people 86'd from all poker games?
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Old 11-05-2019, 07:44 AM   #9645
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If he wants to play 2/5 NL, the room isn't going to stop him. Some of the other regs may not like it, but at that stakes it might half pros it most.
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Old 11-05-2019, 07:51 AM   #9646
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If he wants to play 2/5 NL, the room isn't going to stop him. Some of the other regs may not like it, but at that stakes it might half pros it most.
Ur right, poker rooms don't have the right to ban people from their poker rooms. That's why Armenian Mike is still welcome anywhere...
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Old 11-05-2019, 08:19 AM   #9647
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Ur right, poker rooms don't have the right to ban people from their poker rooms. That's why Armenian Mike is still welcome anywhere...
Anyways, if I was him, I would not really want to frequent any poker room, where surely everyone would be playing against me. He can still crush the online sites anonymously if he so chooses.
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Old 11-05-2019, 08:35 AM   #9648
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Ur right, poker rooms don't have the right to ban people from their poker rooms. That's why Armenian Mike is still welcome anywhere...
Not only can casinos/poker rooms exclude anybody from their premises they are are under no legal obligation to give reasons.
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Old 11-05-2019, 09:29 AM   #9649
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Do people get banned from most poker rooms for cheating somewhere else? I am not sure if they take it as seriously as cheating the house.
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:25 AM   #9650
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I've played with non-god mode mike postle. trust me, you want him in your game (if he can't see your cards)
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