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Old 11-03-2019, 06:26 AM   #9601
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If I see another mention of the word "martingale" in this thread i will start to drill into my own brain.
Let's hope that nobody carelessly mentions martingale again.

In fact, I am sure no one will mention the word martingale.

So you won't have to drill into your own brain as no one will mention the word martingale.



The legal consequences of Postle's actions are not widely understood, as one would have to be a legal expert to understand exactly what he and his collaborators can be accused of, so there are some useful YouTube vids from legal minds explaining precisely what he can be accused of.

It is interesting to think how different is this really from Ivey's deception with the baccarat cards, as that was using information to get an edge, and Ivey lost that case, and the Postle case again uses deception to gain an edge. So both cases seem similar.
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Old 11-03-2019, 07:05 AM   #9602
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on the last night i did commentary when Berkey was in the game. There were no phones allowed at the table at that time and his hat was stuffed. How would he be able to pull it off alone without his phone?
That is actually a good question!
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Old 11-03-2019, 07:56 AM   #9603
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on the last night i did commentary when Berkey was in the game. There were no phones allowed at the table at that time and his hat was stuffed. How would he be able to pull it off alone without his phone?
How was the phone rule implemented? Could a phone be in the player's pocket? Bluetooth has a limited range, about 30 feet at best. The whole "hand pressing on hat" thing could be a signal to an accomplice to re-transmit the hands.
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Old 11-03-2019, 08:01 AM   #9604
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How was the phone rule implemented? Could a phone be in the player's pocket? Bluetooth has a limited range, about 30 feet at best. The whole "hand pressing on hat" thing could be a signal to an accomplice to re-transmit the hands.
Having watched the stream it would appear that the 'no phones allowed at the table' rule was hardly implemented at all. Berkey himself is using a phone regularly at the table and keeps it in his lap.
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Old 11-03-2019, 12:25 PM   #9605
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on the last night i did commentary when Berkey was in the game. There were no phones allowed at the table at that time and his hat was stuffed. How would he be able to pull it off alone without his phone?
A text to speech program. The stream gets relayed to his computer at home or wherever and a computer program converts the text to speech. That's just my thoughts, of course I could be wrong and it could be a conspiracy involving Stones employee(s) but I think my guess is the simplest explanation. We'll probably never know for sure one way or the other.

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Old 11-03-2019, 01:07 PM   #9606
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on the last night i did commentary when Berkey was in the game. There were no phones allowed at the table at that time and his hat was stuffed. How would he be able to pull it off alone without his phone?
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Having watched the stream it would appear that the 'no phones allowed at the table' rule was hardly implemented at all. Berkey himself is using a phone regularly at the table and keeps it in his lap.
Yes Berkey said himself he was keeping his phone in the CTO position, after a conversation earlier with JFK about a problem on "another stream".

Been lots of talk of this phone ban thoughout, but I'm yet to see anything to suggest any ban - if there was one at all - was enforced at any point.
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Old 11-03-2019, 01:14 PM   #9607
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He does not necessarily need to.know the cards. All he needs to know is when to fold, when to value bet, and when to bluff(or in other words when his opponent is weak).

This thread certainly does not disappoint.

AngryPolak, in my opinion you don't need to explain yourself to trolls on here. We are glad you did what you did.
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Old 11-03-2019, 01:58 PM   #9608
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He does not necessarily need to.know the cards. All he needs to know is when to fold, when to value bet, and when to bluff(or in other words when his opponent is weak).

This thread certainly does not disappoint.

AngryPolak, in my opinion you don't need to explain yourself to trolls on here. We are glad you did what you did.
Ok. But there is evidence that he knew what the hole cards were based on his actions. Thin value bets when his opponents had thin value etc. Why do you supposedly assume he was getting relayed what to do rather than what his opponents had? That scenario is more complicated than it needs to be and does not make sense to me. If someone is telling him what to do, why not instead just tell him what his opponents had??

I haven't seen Veronica responding to anyone trolling her, or anyone even trolling her for that matter. Not sure to what you are referring.
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Old 11-03-2019, 02:38 PM   #9609
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Ok. But there is evidence that he knew what the hole cards were based on his actions. Thin value bets when his opponents had thin value etc. Why do you supposedly assume he was getting relayed what to do rather than what his opponents had? That scenario is more complicated than it needs to be and does not make sense to me. If someone is telling him what to do, why not instead just tell him what his opponents had??
Let's just leave it at he was getting information. The exact form of the information, if it was the actual cards or advice on the correct move, really isn't important. And it does seem that at some point, instead of relying on a phone stuffed between his legs, he relied on something stuffed in his hat for this information. Any further speculation on the exact mechanics of the information contents and you start approaching MORSE CODE scenarios -- and we wouldn't want that.
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Old 11-03-2019, 04:17 PM   #9610
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I would gladly follow this statement for the rest of my days, Cheers to Veronica Brill.
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Old 11-03-2019, 04:45 PM   #9611
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Ok. But there is evidence that he knew what the hole cards were based on his actions. Thin value bets when his opponents had thin value etc. Why do you supposedly assume he was getting relayed what to do rather than what his opponents had? That scenario is more complicated than it needs to be and does not make sense to me. If someone is telling him what to do, why not instead just tell him what his opponents had??

I haven't seen Veronica responding to anyone trolling her, or anyone even trolling her for that matter. Not sure to what you are referring.
I guess you have missed some silly troll here saying she had forgotten her conversations with JFK, and that she didn't understand what he said as she was born in Poland...

I cant remember the name of this troll, can anyone else?
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Old 11-03-2019, 05:15 PM   #9612
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Had tuned out of this story over the last couple of weeks because I thought it wasn't going anywhere. Was playing at the casino last night and a guy at the table was saying there are new developments and someone has fessed up to being Mike's assistant. I wasn't convinced he was on top of the story but has anything like this transpired over the last couple of weeks?
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Old 11-03-2019, 08:26 PM   #9613
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Had tuned out of this story over the last couple of weeks because I thought it wasn't going anywhere. Was playing at the casino last night and a guy at the table was saying there are new developments and someone has fessed up to being Mike's assistant. I wasn't convinced he was on top of the story but has anything like this transpired over the last couple of weeks?
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any news ? does Casino forced him to pay back ? does customers who played and lost in that game received anything back from casino ? is this really going to court in USA ?
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:12 PM   #9614
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Had tuned out of this story over the last couple of weeks because I thought it wasn't going anywhere. Was playing at the casino last night and a guy at the table was saying there are new developments and someone has fessed up to being Mike's assistant. I wasn't convinced he was on top of the story but has anything like this transpired over the last couple of weeks?
I have not heard that sentiment at any of my half dozen or so visits in the last month. That does not mean anything more than that, as a caveat.

I have not seen JFK. I know who he is, and haven't seen him. I don't play MTTs there anymore; just cash. So the chances of seeing him would be lessened anyways. But, the Daily MTT is usually going still when I float in around lunch.

I will press some legal eagles that I know in Sacramento. They had reliable information about the troubles that Casino Royale had a few years back. (where JFK formerly worked in the area.)
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Old 11-04-2019, 12:27 AM   #9615
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I have not heard that sentiment at any of my half dozen or so visits in the last month. That does not mean anything more than that, as a caveat.

I have not seen JFK. I know who he is, and haven't seen him. I don't play MTTs there anymore; just cash. So the chances of seeing him would be lessened anyways. But, the Daily MTT is usually going still when I float in around lunch.

I will press some legal eagles that I know in Sacramento. They had reliable information about the troubles that Casino Royale had a few years back. (where JFK formerly worked in the area.)
From what I've heard JFK has not been seen
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:07 AM   #9616
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From what I've heard JFK has not been seen
But has he been heard from? Particularly by Verstandig Law. Has Stones responded? Has Postle responded?
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Old 11-04-2019, 11:29 AM   #9617
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I just checked the docket no response from any of the Defendants. Kings Casino, LLC did Stipulate with the Plaintiffs to respond to the Complaint by December 3, 2019.

In the Stipulation it indicates that Kings was served on October 15, 2019 and under the Federal Rules they have 21 days to file a response. I would assume it was easier for King's to be served with process than Postle or JFK, so I'm not sure if and when Postle and JFK were served, but they would also have 21 days from the date they were served to respond unless they too file a stipulation to extend the time.




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Old 11-04-2019, 01:26 PM   #9618
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I just checked the docket no response from any of the Defendants. Kings Casino, LLC did Stipulate with the Plaintiffs to respond to the Complaint by December 3, 2019.

In the Stipulation it indicates that Kings was served on October 15, 2019 and under the Federal Rules they have 21 days to file a response. I would assume it was easier for King's to be served with process than Postle or JFK, so I'm not sure if and when Postle and JFK were served, but they would also have 21 days from the date they were served to respond unless they too file a stipulation to extend the time.
Thanks very much for this.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:45 PM   #9619
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A text to speech program. The stream gets relayed to his computer at home or wherever and a computer program converts the text to speech. That's just my thoughts, of course I could be wrong and it could be a conspiracy involving Stones employee(s) but I think my guess is the simplest explanation. We'll probably never know for sure one way or the other.
It's so much harder to pull this off without help I think we can dismiss that idea.

"The stream gets relayed to his computer at home" = how? Who sets it up? Who waits for the stream to go online, and connects to the appropriate IP address when it does, while Mike is waiting at the table? My understanding from this video is that someone needs to start the normally unused streaming feature of the PokerGFX software for this to happen. How does Mike do this without help?

Getting the IP of the server may not be hard if you can get access to the machine at another time, but if that machine is behind a router or firewall, the port needs to be forwarded in order to allow an external machine, such as Mike's home computer, to access it. How does Mike forward ports on Stone's network equipment without help? Is someone there to fix things if his home computer setup has a glitch?

All this can be done by one person if it's a hacker who can install a trojan on the server to automate the stream startup, get access to Stone's network configuration to forward ports, setup an unattended text to speech system at a remote location, and nothing goes wrong requiring human intervention while Mike is playing.

Don't you think it's much simpler for there to be an insider accomplice who simply calls Mike and tells him the cards?
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Old 11-04-2019, 02:52 PM   #9620
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Took me weeks but finally made it to the end. Lots of really interesting posts throughout and thanks to everyone who put in hours and hours of effort going through the streams.

Obvious mike is guilty. Probably a 3 man operation.


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Old 11-04-2019, 03:45 PM   #9621
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The only way that I can see Mike pulling this off on his own is if he helped Stones configure their livestream software. I thought I remembered talk of him and JFK doing a test run before the stream started. So if he configured it to start that second stream in whatever settings file the software has, or put a line in the documentation for the tech guy saying "check this box at startup" ... then maybe he could just connect to it.

But that doesn't make a lot of sense when it looks like he didn't start cheating when the stream first started. It really looks like he got tired of getting his teeth kicked in and decided with one of the tech guys to peek the stream.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:02 PM   #9622
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The only way that I can see Mike pulling this off on his own is if he helped Stones configure their livestream software. I thought I remembered talk of him and JFK doing a test run before the stream started. So if he configured it to start that second stream in whatever settings file the software has, or put a line in the documentation for the tech guy saying "check this box at startup" ... then maybe he could just connect to it.

But that doesn't make a lot of sense when it looks like he didn't start cheating when the stream first started. It really looks like he got tired of getting his teeth kicked in and decided with one of the tech guys to peek the stream.
If he cheated and did it alone, then it could be that he saw the oppty earlier, but didn't have the balls to carry it through at first. He put it away, maybe experimented here and there with how to get access to the stream, and how to disguise what he was doing.

My problem with thinking he's guilty is the same as the potripper problem ... how stupid can you be to act on it so often and so obviously? Why not lose almost as often as usual, just steal a big one once a night? If I could guarantee one big hand a night I'd be Phil Ivey.

I don't think he's innocent as much as I think he's dumb (unless he was levelling us in the interview to make us think he's too dumb to cheat ...)
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:13 PM   #9623
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Veronica said on Doug Polk's interview with her that the stream started at the end of 2014 or beginning of 2015. I think the suggested cheating start date posted in this thread is on July 18th, 2018. I see the Dream seat video on YT was added in August 2017.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:14 PM   #9624
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I think he's more greedy than dumb.
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Old 11-04-2019, 04:31 PM   #9625
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If he cheated and did it alone, then it could be that he saw the oppty earlier, but didn't have the balls to carry it through at first. He put it away, maybe experimented here and there with how to get access to the stream, and how to disguise what he was doing.

My problem with thinking he's guilty is the same as the potripper problem ... how stupid can you be to act on it so often and so obviously? Why not lose almost as often as usual, just steal a big one once a night? If I could guarantee one big hand a night I'd be Phil Ivey.

I don't think he's innocent as much as I think he's dumb (unless he was levelling us in the interview to make us think he's too dumb to cheat ...)
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I don't think you go straight from idea to full blown implementation

I haven't reviewed the videos but one of the more surprising revelations was that it was just full on from the start, I'd have always imagined he spent months (if not longer) only bringing it out for a bit pot or two before he just started embracing it every hand but from my understanding it's somewhat clear that there weren't any piecemeal cheating before going full on
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