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Old 11-01-2019, 06:14 PM   #9551
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

jfc this has nothing to do with casting doubt on veronica, it literally has nothing to do with her, nor did i say she was a liar nor anything of the sort

stop that nonsense and actually read what i literally wrote...

what i'm talking about has nothing to do with her credibility/motivation etc, it's something that is literally true for every human on earth and the science behind it is incredibly well documented

people don't remember things very well https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-eyes-have-it/
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:17 PM   #9552
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jfc this has nothing to do with casting doubt on veronica, it literally has nothing to do with her, nor did i say she was a liar nor anything of the sort

stop that nonsense and actually read what i literally wrote...

what i'm talking about has nothing to do with her credibility/motivation etc, it's something that is literally true for every human on earth and the science behind it is incredibly well documented

people don't remember things very well https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-eyes-have-it/
Rick, what don't you understand about her telling someone immediately after the talk makes it likely she has very good recollection of the conversation with JFK?
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:31 PM   #9553
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I forget which podcast it was, but Veronica said that she wrote down everything Justin had said to her in that conversation immediately after she finished talking to him because she couldn’t believe what Justin said and wanted to make sure she remembered correctly.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:35 PM   #9554
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I forget which podcast it was, but Veronica said that she wrote down everything Justin had said to her in that conversation immediately after she finished talking to him because she couldn’t believe what Justin said and wanted to make sure she remembered correctly.
Correct. We've also all seen the texts sent to Bart Hanson immediately afterward recounting the conversation. I'm not sure why Rick keeps going on about "months after the fact".

Even if it was being recalled months later, the martingale defense is such a ludicrously absurd thing to say, that's extremely memorable. It's something you would be shocked to hear, which is exactly how Veronica felt. Not the sort of thing you would misremember or subconsciously embellish, unless you're deliberately lying.
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Old 11-01-2019, 07:41 PM   #9555
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Ah... I only saw read the interview and didn't know it was documented... Just recalled her restating what a conversatioj from months prior

Sorry for being another one of the guys to comment without being fully caught up

In that case, I'd really like to know more about this martingale strategy in poker

If a mod wants to delete all these and clean it up a bit I wouldn't mind this mark of shame being removed
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Old 11-01-2019, 08:33 PM   #9556
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As far as I can tell the martingale strategy in poker is to just keep matching the largest stack and having a larger bankroll. Basically just as fundamentally flawed as the real martingale strategy is. Only an idiot would say something so foolish as Mike has a martingale strategy for poker.

Justin Kuraitis might be a high functioning ****** that no one has realized until now. That's my theory. Just look at how he speaks and his mannerisms. IQ~70 tournament director. Reminds me of Officer Doofy from the movie scream.
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Old 11-01-2019, 09:34 PM   #9557
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They do seem to be using the martingale strategy for lying.
While the accusations of cheating grow, they double down on the lies. Telling bigger and bigger lies each time.

They start off with saying 'completely fabricated'. Then they pretend to have had an investigation.
Then they try to claim he's the best player in the world, and will take anyone on.
What will they say next?

By the time it gets to trial, maybe they'll be claiming that they invented poker and the law, and can change it at will, whenever they feel like it.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:09 PM   #9558
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:12 PM   #9559
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Ol’ Wink had a grill.
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Old 11-02-2019, 12:37 AM   #9560
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What will they say next?
That he could actually read minds?

It's almost implied already with the God nicknames.
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Old 11-02-2019, 01:54 AM   #9561
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As far as I can tell the martingale strategy in poker is to just keep matching the largest stack and having a larger bankroll. Basically just as fundamentally flawed as the real martingale strategy is. Only an idiot would say something so foolish as Mike has a martingale strategy for poker.

Justin Kuraitis might be a high functioning ****** that no one has realized until now. That's my theory. Just look at how he speaks and his mannerisms. IQ~70 tournament director. Reminds me of Officer Doofy from the movie scream.
Rick, happy to help with a clear guide to martingale. in full generality, a stochastic process Y : T × Ω → S is a martingale with respect to a filtration Σ and probability measure P if Σ∗ is a filtration of the underlying probability space (Ω, Σ, P); Y is adapted to the filtration Σ∗, i.e., for each t in the index set T, the random variable Yt is a Σt-measurable function;for each t, Yt lies in the Lp space L1(Ω, Σt, P; S), i.e.
E P ( | Y t | ) < + ∞ ; {E} _{\mathbf {P} }(|Y_{t}|)<+\infty ;}

But Rick, it is important to note that the property of being a martingale involves both the filtration and the probability measure (with respect to which the expectations are taken). It is possible that Y could be a martingale with respect to one measure but not another one; the Girsanov theorem offers a way to find a measure with respect to which an Itō process is a martingale.

So Postle's use of the Girsanov therem should not be underestimated, for reasons that are all too apparent.

So Veronica is a forgetful liar, and JFK is an undiagnosed ******. Your shrewd analysis will hopefully be called upon when this goes to court, and you can quiz the judge on their latent acute paranaschitis.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:25 AM   #9562
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Justin Kuraitis might be a high functioning ****** that no one has realized until now. That's my theory. Just look at how he speaks and his mannerisms. IQ~70 tournament director. Reminds me of Officer Doofy from the movie scream.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:40 AM   #9563
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As far as I can tell the martingale strategy in poker is to just keep matching the largest stack and having a larger bankroll.
Um, no. The martingale strategy has nothing to do with poker. Read the first two paragraphs of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...betting_system) for a summary in layman's terms.

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martingdale just seems way too absurd to be true
I think that's the point. Mike Postle could never articulate the thought process that led him to make his god-mode plays. When Veronica went to Justin with concerns that Mike might be cheating, Justin couldn't adequately explain Mike's otherworldly dominance on the livestream, but dismissed her concerns by saying, in effect, he's doing things you don't understand.

Did Justin mention martingale because he doesn't comprehend how poker decisions differ from betting on red or black in roulette, or did Justin mention martingale because he was somehow complicit and wanted to distract Veronica from what was really going on? In other words, was this an instance of gaslighting? That's the interesting question here.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:59 AM   #9564
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So did MP ever comment the whole situation after the Matusow podcast?
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Old 11-02-2019, 07:23 AM   #9565
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Um, no. The martingale strategy has nothing to do with poker. Read the first two paragraphs of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...betting_system) for a summary in layman's terms.
Um, you may want to be less smug in your reply when you apparently didn't understand SimpleRick's post, as it's clear that he understands what the Martingale strategy is and how it is even less effective when applied to poker than to its intended games.

Someone posted a link several posts back to a site describing how it is to be applied to poker, as flawed as it is, which is based on increasing buy-ins similar to what SimpleRick described.
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Old 11-02-2019, 07:32 AM   #9566
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

SS: How much control did Justin Kuraitis have over the livestream?


VB: The whole livestream was a one-man show and it was Justin. Justin made every decision. He had sole control of Stones Live Poker. He had an IT director of Stones that he pushed out of the entire operation because the guy was asking questions, and wanted things done properly and wanted to oversee some of the IT portions of it.

Justin was there for almost every livestream. He would stand behind this podium and watch the entire show with his headphones on. And he had this like microphone on his blazer. I assumed he was talking to tech, and he may have been, but he would watch the entire show, and he would make comments during the show. If the cards were quote-unquote not being read properly, or they were wrong, Justin would quickly change them and make a comment like, ‘Oh, Postle’s good, but he’s not that good.” He was very involved in the show.

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Ok, how does anyone think Justin wasn't in on it?

At this point i'm more certain that he cheated than Mike, lol.

One-man show. Martingale strategy.

Guy did everything he could to mislead people and cover any investigation about the issue. ****ing scumbag.
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:08 AM   #9567
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has Justin been seen working at Stones?
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Old 11-02-2019, 09:23 AM   #9568
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Old 11-02-2019, 09:48 AM   #9569
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I haven't followed this thread for some time now and would like to ask a question. If the evidence that has been presented already proves to be correct (and it's pretty overwhelming imo) can't Mike P. and Justin be prosecuted criminally? It would seem to me that they committed more than one felony in perpetrating this crime.
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Old 11-02-2019, 10:31 AM   #9570
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I'm no expert, but others have posted that the potential for criminal charges do exist. While none have been brought yet, perhaps they could be later as evidence is revealed by the plaintiffs or from an unannounced investigation. On the Druff & Friends podcast a few weeks back, Druff made a prank call to Stones Gambling Hall and got them to admit they were being investigated by the DOJ, although it is unknown whether that is the CA state DOJ or the US DOJ.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:08 AM   #9571
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Ok, how does anyone think Justin wasn't in on it?

At this point i'm more certain that he cheated than Mike, lol.
Early on in the cheating, footage shows Postle clearly shielding his phone from JFK's prying eyes.
Later on, the cheating happens while JFK isn't even in the country.

JFK was clearly negligent with regard to investigating the suspicions of people like Veronica. He also engaged in some kind of cover-up when the rumours wouldn't go away. I haven't got any "technological" evidence that he was directly involved in helping Postle cheat. Postle needed someone else (the "tech guy") for that.
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Old 11-02-2019, 11:59 AM   #9572
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guys... for what it's worth, the martingale thing may have never been said, it's he said vs she said and she is recalling from several months back and has an obvious motive for bias

i'm not calling her a liar, I'm just saying just because she said it doesn't mean it actually happened

martingdale just seems way too absurd to be true - if he did say it, I almost want to believe it was meant as a sarcastic f off rather than something genuinely meant

either way, whether or not he said that is besides the point anyway
As someone who played a lot at stones and interacted with justin occasionally, I was not at all surprised he said something like that. He's not a poker player. When I first heard Veronica mention the martingale thing it was hilarious to me because I can imagine exactly how he would say it, the tone of voice, facial expressions, everything lmao
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Old 11-02-2019, 12:19 PM   #9573
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That's hilarious, thank you for that.

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Um, no. The martingale strategy has nothing to do with poker. Read the first two paragraphs of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...betting_system) for a summary in layman's terms.
I know what the martingale system is. I was trying to explain what I thought Justin Kuraitis meant by saying Mike Postle has a martingale system for poker.

And your post comes off as condescending. Explaining something I already know, the use of "Um, no" and then describing the wikipedia as layman's terms. Which would apply if it were some complicated theorem boiled down to where a common man could understand. The martingale system is not complicated so describing it does not require layman's terms.

The mathematical analysis may be complicated for a Morty like you. But for someone whose name is Rick, sigmas, limits, and exponents are all common parlance. Even that is layman's terms for a Rick like me! Season 4 Rick and Morty coming soon!!!

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Old 11-02-2019, 12:33 PM   #9574
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That's hilarious, thank you for that.



I know what the martingale system is. I was trying to explain what I thought Justin Kuraitis meant by saying Mike Postle has a martingale system for poker.

And your post comes off as condescending. Explaining something I already know, the use of "Um, no" and then describing the wikipedia as layman's terms. Which would apply if it were some complicated theorem boiled down to where a common man could understand. The martingale system is not complicated so describing it does not require layman's terms.
THERE IS NO MARTINGALE STRATEGY FOR POKER,

IT SIMPLY DOESNT EXIST FOR POKER


https://www.pokernews.com/casino/martingale-system.htm


If Justin said this and he said it, there is def something off.
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Old 11-02-2019, 12:59 PM   #9575
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THERE IS NO MARTINGALE STRATEGY FOR POKER,

IT SIMPLY DOESNT EXIST FOR POKER
Read some other posts before you post in all-caps with your unassailable knowledge. He was referencing the fact that some people have tried to apply it to poker, as was pointed out in this post:

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U got that right mang!

heres an article on how to utilize it for both fun AND profit on the interwebz games...and this article is well over a year old!


http://iknowpoker.co.uk/know-how-to-...stem-in-poker/
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