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Old 10-02-2019, 05:24 AM   #926
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So if Postle is innocent, this is just the absolute stone nuts biggest compliment thread in poker history, right?

Can you think of a bigger compliment to give a poker player other than, "he's too good. God like. No variance. Must be cheating"??

Also, it's pretty clear that he's cheating. JS.
"fish on a heater" is not a compliment either.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:31 AM   #927
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This is not the case and saying it is the case instantly shows you havent followed this at all, stop derailing. He doesn't know what seat will win at showdown, he doesnt know the runout of the board, he knows the other players holecards. Sigh.

belg_owner please don't waltz into a long thread without knowing anything about it and make wild guesses making it sound confirmed.
Im not confirming, just suggesting.
There was a thread a few years ago on nvg.
But that program did know what seat the winner was, every single time.
It only needed a few seconds to calculate it.


It does explain why he would call off 6k with 45o preflop vs AK and AK.
Or why he would call huge amounts preflop with extreme junk hands.
(because he know's the run-out)

And yes you are correct, he knows the hands too.
I dont know how he knows those.

Just trying to help
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:36 AM   #928
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Im not confirming, just suggesting.
There was a thread a few years ago on nvg.
But that program did know what seat the winner was, every single time.
It only needed a few seconds to calculate it.


It does explain why he would call off 6k with 45o preflop vs AK and AK.
Or why he would call huge amounts preflop with extreme junk hands.
(because he know's the run-out)

And yes you are correct, he knows the hands too.
I dont know how he knows those.

Just trying to help
Yeah the thing is there is an abundance of evidence that he does not know who will win at showdown. Like the 88 vs TT famous boat hand. Or times he folds hands that would've turned/rivered the nuts, multiple times. If you've followed enough hands here you realize he definitely doesn't know runouts or who will win at showdown. I appreciate you trying to come up with ideas, but it's a bit annoying seeing clearly incorrect things like this which doesn't line up with reality at all. Since it's red herrings, detracting energy from the real story

Please be careful with your phrasing if you're "just trying to help" or "not confirming, just suggesting" - because you in actuality wrote "I know what program he is using" - which is a very definite statement. And wrong.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:41 AM   #929
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Im not confirming, just suggesting.
There was a thread a few years ago on nvg.
But that program did know what seat the winner was, every single time.
It only needed a few seconds to calculate it.


It does explain why he would call off 6k with 45o preflop vs AK and AK.
Or why he would call huge amounts preflop with extreme junk hands.
(because he know's the run-out)

And yes you are correct, he knows the hands too.
I dont know how he knows those.

Just trying to help
Except in the 54os he lost the first run out I believe. Unless this program can calculate who will win when running it twice (and that the players will agree to this). Seems unlikely. No, all you need to know is that against AK and AK threeway that 54os is a slight favorite.

Loctus has it right. He knows hole cards, not runouts. That's why he shoves before the river to protect his equity when he's ahead on the flop or turn in big pots. Otherwise he could milk his opponents for more or let them bet off their chips.

Often times when he calls preflop with junk his hand doesn't end up being best, he's just up against slightly better hands that can easily be bluffed. Again he doesn't know runouts, just hole cards. He's only a demigod, not a full fledged God.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:47 AM   #930
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=coY2Lrd_AIE


Look up Poker Analyzer
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:48 AM   #931
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I read this thread the other night just after OP posted and thought "yeah you're wrong, thread will be nuked soon".

Now it's totally obvious he's cheating, and should be to any poker player.

I guess he will be back to playing his $100 tournaments very soon, just like he was a few months ago, or more than likely will total disappear from the game.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:48 AM   #932
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I guess he will be back to playing his $100 tournaments very soon, just like he was a few months ago, or more than likely will total disappear from the game.
I’m more concerned with the casino’s role in this and what will or should happen to them.

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dont know if this was already talked about in the thread, but realistically, what kind of crime could he get charged with?
If the proverbial smoking gun is found, I’d say the party likely to be in far more trouble is the casino. I don’t know enough about California Gaming laws, but I wouldn’t be surprised if massive fines and incarceration were possible.

As for Mike, maybe his day would be in civil court.

Any lawyers here?
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:56 AM   #933
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Why do you insist on being wrong? He is not making plays like he knows the runouts. He is making plays like he knows his opponents hole cards. Watch the streams.

Also thats not how you shuffle a deck of cards at the casino. The ace of spades comes from the bottom of the deck to the top and he is spacing them out a lot in his wide shuffle. The top card is hanging off the deck revealing a portion of the second card. I doubt it can read the 5th card down in a tightly grouped deck from a tight casino style shuffle.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:58 AM   #934
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I’m more concerned with the casino’s role in this and what will or should happen to them.


If the proverbial smoking gun is found, I’d say the party likely to be in far more trouble is the casino. I don’t know enough about California Gaming laws, but I wouldn’t be surprised if massive fines and incarceration were possible.

As for Mike, maybe his day would be in civil court.

Any lawyers here?
Cases involving cheating in casinos usually involve the casino being cheated (think Archie Karas marking cards in Blackjack back in the day). Cheating in poker involves one player cheating another player, not cheating the house. That mean the "victim" needs to make a complaint to the gaming commission. If you were in the game and never lost a pot to this guy, you are not a victim. Literally someone who lost a hand to MP must file a complaint. If you are of the belief that the Casino is in on this: that's exceedingly difficult to prove. More importantly, it defies logic for a casino to rig a poker game: casino makes money on poker when hands are played, who wins or loses the hand makes no difference to the house.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:00 AM   #935
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That program tells your opponent their cards lol.
But then again he needs to scan the cards before the game.



K4 AKK Poker Analyzer


How does the poker analyzer work in poker games?
Poker analyzer, also known for poker predictor and poker odds calculator, which is a poker scanner based on smart phone. It still can be used for marking a phone call, sending message or chatting on the Internet. There is a scanning lens installed into the poker analyzer. It is also called as spy camera for its tiny size and functional characteristics. Viewed from the outside of smart phone, you cannot find its existence. The lens can scan the invisible barcode at the edge of playing cards. Then, transform them into image and send the image to the predictor. The predictor will read and analyze the date. Lastly, you will receive the outcome through mini earpieces when it finishes its analysis.
It sounds a little complicated. However, in normal, the entire process is within 0.3 seconds. As long as the lens scans the barcode, you will know who is the first winner and second winner immediately.


Analyzer use special phones.

And again im not saying im right or wrong.
What im guessing is that he might be using one of those programs.

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Old 10-02-2019, 06:07 AM   #936
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That mean the "victim" needs to make a complaint to the gaming commission. If you were in the game and never lost a pot to this guy, you are not a victim. .
You could argue if UTG opens and the cheater 3 bets light knowing UTGs cards , and therefore BTN folds ATs, BTN never lost a pot to the cheater but is still a victim of the cheating.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:14 AM   #937
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He definitely doesn't know the runouts the 66 hand on the 2345ccc runout shows that as do many others, why would you ever call a flop in a spot where you're gonna turn a super good but drawing dead hand - but that same hand he obv makes the ridic turn fold because the guy has the flush in a spot where calling flop to fold this turn is absolute insanity

Basically, it's very clear upon watching the hands that he knows the hole cards of his opponents but doesn't know the runouts of the board - from here it's a matter of proving how he cheated, now a question of if he did
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:16 AM   #938
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I think the guy just gets a vibration of when to bet either on an iwatch attatched to his ankle or his phone. He does look down at his phone that he hides under the table a lot. Who holds there phone under the table while playing poker? Noone does. Maybe he gets a vibration text sent to his phone.

Its too risky to have the hands hacked on your phone with a million cameras around imo. He cant be that dumb can he?

Any chance he has some super futuristic contact lenses that read the cards with programmed hacking software?
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:26 AM   #939
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Any chance he has some super futuristic contact lenses that read the cards with programmed hacking software?

Or something like this guy a few years ago who used special ink to mark the cards and he has to look down at his phone, so he gets a special angle to look a the cards with his contact lenses.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:29 AM   #940
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The logistics of a contact lens seems rough to me. Seeing across the table, chips and card protectors on cards, people holding their hands over cards... IDK

I agree that he knows the hole cards and most likely not future cards, flop/turn/riv
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:29 AM   #941
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I think the guy just gets a vibration of when to bet either on an iwatch attatched to his ankle or his phone. He does look down at his phone that he hides under the table a lot. Who holds there phone under the table while playing poker? Noone does. Maybe he gets a vibration text sent to his phone.

Its too risky to have the hands hacked on your phone with a million cameras around imo. He cant be that dumb can he?

Any chance he has some super futuristic contact lenses that read the cards with programmed hacking software?
Isn't the fact that he used to run a company specialized in custom mobile phone apps, RFID technology, and live sent messages to said apps, clear enough?
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:32 AM   #942
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You could argue if UTG opens and the cheater 3 bets light knowing UTGs cards , and therefore BTN folds ATs, BTN never lost a pot to the cheater but is still a victim of the cheating.
I should've said lost money to the alleged cheater. The point being, someone as to come forward and file a complaint.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:33 AM   #943
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I think the guy just gets a vibration of when to bet either on an iwatch attatched to his ankle or his phone. He does look down at his phone that he hides under the table a lot. Who holds there phone under the table while playing poker? Noone does. Maybe he gets a vibration text sent to his phone.

Its too risky to have the hands hacked on your phone with a million cameras around imo. He cant be that dumb can he?

Any chance he has some super futuristic contact lenses that read the cards with programmed hacking software?
Narrator: He was that dumb.
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:39 AM   #944
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I don't know whether he does this in many hands, but on the AK vs AK one, he's so busy stacking his chips from the previous hand (77), that he limps in UTG without ever looking at his cards (or his concealed device). Unlike the average drunkard that might call blind and play 100% of hands, he's not trying to be lucky, he knows he can win with ATC in any position.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:09 AM   #945
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https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-1

Pokernews have run with this story.

High Stakes Pros like Scott Seiver and Voulgaris have made their opinions known.

Stones have called the accusations completely fabricated on twitter.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:13 AM   #946
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Has anyone ever done time for cheating at poker in the US? I found one case in Germany.

Has a casino or a player ever had to pay a civil judgment due to cheating at poker?
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:14 AM   #947
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https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/new...*****ed-games/

Good article here about it.

Shaun Deeb- “I play as many hands as he does at those stakes but I have losing sessions and bad hero calls and bluffs. He has none of that, 100% cheat, and I hope [he] and conspirators go to jail….”

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"However, even more damning evidence emerged when others began toting Mike Postle’s results. Poker player Rob Stan posted results of Postle’s streamed appearances in what was a $5/$5 livestreamed cash game.

For 2018 livestreams:

Livestream sessions: 21 (19 winning, two losing)
Profit: $93,200
And in streamed $1/$3 action:

Livestream sessions: 13 (13 winning, zero losing)
Profit: $36,120
To post such incredible winning streaks against talented players is unlikely for even the most talented pros. Postle’s playing style, in which he managed to win frequently while playing inferior hands, makes the streaks even more statistically unlikely."
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:16 AM   #948
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how would you prove in a court of law that he cheated, after the fact? (assuming you couldn't find a smoking gun like the app on his phone, hacks in the feed etc)
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:20 AM   #949
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I'm just gonna leave this here:



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Whoever the production person is that relays the holecards into the graphic on screen (and to the commentators), is the person who's in this with Mike Postle. The commentators can't believe what is going on, and the relay person tells them "oh the hole cards are messed he atually didn't have 68 here, he had 89" to explain the ludicrous actual line taken away

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Mike is facebook friends with half the production team of the livestream. He's also friends with Justin Kuraitis, the production/poker tournament room manager guy who ran this investigation and concluded no wrongdoing. Go figure.

No, it's not a crime to like someone's facebook profile picture, but it adds to the events

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Old 10-02-2019, 07:20 AM   #950
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so did I miss it or has he still not posted his online screen names?

both he and his defenders have claimed he crushed online and mike DM'd me on twitter totally out of the blue and I told him he should post his screen names and he said he would and yet I still haven't seen them anywhere (he gave me one SN that only has a few hands on ACR n a total profit of -$600).

there is just no reasonable explanation for why we still don't know what his online SNs were that he crushed on.

that alone is super incriminating.
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