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Old 10-27-2019, 08:46 PM   #9451
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Inviting action players doesn't make the game rigged. It means that the people running the game aren't morons. Home games get built around a pool of whales/fish all the time. You don't see 6 nits sitting a round a table pushing 4BB pots back and forth.
I know, but they were deliberately inviting loose fish to make it profitable for their cheating.
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Old 10-27-2019, 09:44 PM   #9452
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I know, but they were deliberately inviting loose fish to make it profitable for their cheating.
Depends entirely on who was involved in the cheating and who was involved in the invitations. If it's Postle and a tech guy doing the cheating that's different than the promotions manager or JFK or whoever else sets the lineup.
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Old 10-27-2019, 09:51 PM   #9453
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Depends entirely on who was involved in the cheating and who was involved in the invitations. If it's Postle and a tech guy doing the cheating that's different than the promotions manager or JFK or whoever else sets the lineup.
I am assuming JFK was making the decisions for both the cheating and invitations.
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Old 10-27-2019, 11:37 PM   #9454
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anyone see JFK lately?
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:26 AM   #9455
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anyone see JFK lately?
Wouldn't you be laying low and keeping your mouth shut if you were under the microscope?
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:38 AM   #9456
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Wouldn't you be laying low and keeping your mouth shut if you were under the microscope?
You might have asked yourself that question before posting a picture that you (incorrectly) identified as Mike Postle.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:41 AM   #9457
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In Britain, the cycling commentators Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen commentated on every one of Lance Armstrong's Tour de France wins, and even said he was the best cyclist of his generation. Don't you think that's suspicious?

Jeez, man. Get some perspective. Some commentators appeared more often that others... because they were the main commentators!
Fun analogy. Comms have to moderate their tongue when someone goes nuclear given the sports history.

Perhaps a little while from now after a few more live stream scandals the same jadedness will apply to soul reads in poker comms.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:51 AM   #9458
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You might have asked yourself that question before posting a picture that you (incorrectly) identified as Mike Postle.
Humor is lost on the humorless.
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:32 AM   #9459
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It's a shame 2+2 is littered with mindless people. What's refreshing is the sharp people. They would honestly make one of the best investigators on a murder or anything. Thanks to them this Postle **** is going to go the **** down. They don't miss a beat. Keep it up sharps.

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Old 10-28-2019, 03:42 AM   #9460
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I put together a video of some Mike Postle hands. Let me know what you think about the 34o hands and the TT hands. The J4o "graphics error" is interesting for a few reasons.

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Old 10-28-2019, 04:30 AM   #9461
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I put together a video of some Mike Postle hands. Let me know what you think about the 34o hands and the TT hands. The J4o "graphics error" is interesting for a few reasons.

This was one of my favourite sessions (in the beginning) i was watching Mr. Boski.

The last two hands actually describe very well how disgusting all this is. 99 vs TT and TT vs JJ(4).

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Old 10-28-2019, 06:01 AM   #9462
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This was one of my favourite sessions (in the beginning) i was watching Mr. Boski.

The last two hands actually describe very well how disgusting all this is. 99 vs TT and TT vs JJ(4).
https://youtu.be/bQ8dP8ILQaI?t=5219

I was having a look at that JJ(4) vs TT hand again.
Normally when the cardreader was being wrong, it was displaying the exact hand from the hand played before.
Here Joe had T6o and Mike had A5o the hand before, this is something strange again too. I remember that i was posting this hand here before already, also because of the comms and because of Scott talking about the other hand TT vs 99 before.
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Old 10-28-2019, 07:49 AM   #9463
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OMG no for the THIRD time it was a guy in a Halloween costume

take three damn seconds to look at the picture before posting Jesus
lolz take it ez there tool box
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Old 10-28-2019, 09:52 AM   #9464
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lolz take it ez there tool box


You shouldn’t be one to post there (checks your screen name again) yea you shouldn’t be the one using “tool box” there Kettle
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:16 AM   #9465
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I know you’re turdzilla but stop spewing nonsensical ****
I am sorry.

Are you implying that Postle doesn't have $10,00,000 and a suit for that amount is frivolous?
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:20 AM   #9466
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Humor is lost on the humorless.
Forgive me. I should have known it was meant as humor given the fantastic response it received from everyone else.

I'll put my history of providing humorous content on this forum up against yours any day.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:44 PM   #9467
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

On the topic of cheating via hole card cams, has anyone else shared suspicion wrt paul phua? he's a guy who people pretty widely agree is terrible at poker via playing unusually loose, according to info available made his start as a casino operator, and now plays in the biggest games in asia where his play style would seem likely to lead to someone of his skill level losing extraordinary amounts very quickly. seems unlikely he'd be stupid enough to be as transparent as postle in his cheating but would be interesting to dissect some hands particularly wrt river actions to see if he has any unusual tendencies.
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Old 10-28-2019, 12:57 PM   #9468
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It's funny how they messed up SO MUCH yet people took years to find out about it.
Yeah I agree it seems surprizing at first that it lasted over a year.
But then I think probably we should try to be more sympathetic to the various other players, putting ourselves in their shoes.
Maybe some of them only went there a handful of times over the course of a year (and the play is pretty loose and crazy at times).
It's easier for us to see at home, as we see all the hole cards and a years worth of videos, after the fact etc.

Plus any more frequent regular players, who did notice and did complain, got general hand-waving from JFK & management.
And after the hand-waving, they even pretended at one point that they had done an internal investigation already. Looks like they didn't investigate it at all.
The cheating/fraud is obvious & obviously bad - and the way Stones management handled it really stinks.
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:09 PM   #9469
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I am sorry.



Are you implying that Postle doesn't have $10,00,000 and a suit for that amount is frivolous?


What are you even talking about? Do you even know what is going on in this situation or did you take 2-3 phrases and cobble them together so you could post something?
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Old 10-28-2019, 02:34 PM   #9470
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On the topic of cheating via hole card cams, has anyone else shared suspicion wrt paul phua? he's a guy who people pretty widely agree is terrible at poker via playing unusually loose, according to info available made his start as a casino operator, and now plays in the biggest games in asia where his play style would seem likely to lead to someone of his skill level losing extraordinary amounts very quickly. seems unlikely he'd be stupid enough to be as transparent as postle in his cheating but would be interesting to dissect some hands particularly wrt river actions to see if he has any unusual tendencies.
In my opinion, he seems to be one of the sharpest VIP's in the SHR scene, but certainly not a world class level player. This makes sense since he's been playing with some of the toughest players in the world for 10 years. Over the years I've heard that he enjoys competing against the best in the world and uses what he learns against them to play against Super VIP's that the like of Dwan etc don't have access to.

I don't see any reason to suspect him of foul play, but am still interested to hear what those with a better understanding of poker think of his skill level.

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Old 10-28-2019, 03:25 PM   #9471
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RE: so clearly obvious super using went on for years

Unless you have the thought planted that someone could be cheating, people would just view it as incredibly good play, much like people viewed it

At least dozens of people had viewed a very good amount of all the sessions and it took two years of it before one of them was sure enough something wasn't right to point it out to others

The fact is that people see what they are looking for, from people commenting here that the show was made up, comments that the commentators are sending secret messages, that they are openly engaging in human trafficking...

If you're looking for something, you'll find it whether it not it's there. That's basic human nature. 100% Postle was cheating, but it's not weird at all that it took so long for they're to be enough random observations to plant the thought he could have hole card data.

RE: TT vs (JJ)4 hand - I've been thinking about this a lot. It definitely is problematic. If there was a card reading error, how would Mike know he was beat? Also, did he later show jacks? I could have sworn he mucked and at the time of the broadcast he couldn't have known they had his hole card data wrong
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:42 PM   #9472
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Do we know if Postle played off stream? I thought I heard someone say that he mostly didn't. But if he was loose and actiony off stream and lost a bunch, that would have offset people's perceptions of him.
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Old 10-28-2019, 04:32 PM   #9473
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RE: TT vs (JJ)4 hand - I've been thinking about this a lot. It definitely is problematic. If there was a card reading error, how would Mike know he was beat? Also, did he later show jacks? I could have sworn he mucked and at the time of the broadcast he couldn't have known they had his hole card data wrong
Telling from the face of the AK guy i'd say he mucked his hand.
I'm still thinking about this hand also, it's a really strange one.
Mike's fold would only make sense with knowing that Joe had JJ here, if Mike would see the J4 as we (and displayed) he sh(w)ouldn't fold. Mike was looking into his crotch as well. I guess Joe shouldn't be having J4o anyway in this spot, he shouldn't be calling a 3bet with it.
Taylor was yelling he had JJ, would make sense, but how does Taylor even know which hand he had (if mucked)?
Could it be possible Taylor is seeing the real holding, and this is "only" a display error? Is something like that even possible?
The other thing is, possibly Mike's hand could also be displayed wrong, but then Taylor for sure would have said it as well. So Mike should really have had TT then.
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:09 PM   #9474
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On the topic of cheating via hole card cams, has anyone else shared suspicion wrt paul phua? he's a guy who people pretty widely agree is terrible at poker via playing unusually loose, according to info available made his start as a casino operator, and now plays in the biggest games in asia where his play style would seem likely to lead to someone of his skill level losing extraordinary amounts very quickly. seems unlikely he'd be stupid enough to be as transparent as postle in his cheating but would be interesting to dissect some hands particularly wrt river actions to see if he has any unusual tendencies.
As I understand it, he played against the top players, on the basis that they would explain their thinking. So he was doing that "you have to pay for your education" approach to playing poker. So short term loss, while he was playing the best and losing, but then he has used the lessons he learned from those games to become a winning player.
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:10 PM   #9475
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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RE: so clearly obvious super using went on for years

Unless you have the thought planted that someone could be cheating, people would just view it as incredibly good play, much like people viewed it

At least dozens of people had viewed a very good amount of all the sessions and it took two years of it before one of them was sure enough something wasn't right to point it out to others

The fact is that people see what they are looking for, from people commenting here that the show was made up, comments that the commentators are sending secret messages, that they are openly engaging in human trafficking...

If you're looking for something, you'll find it whether it not it's there. That's basic human nature. 100% Postle was cheating, but it's not weird at all that it took so long for they're to be enough random observations to plant the thought he could have hole card data.
I watched the youtubes of the Stones streams (which actually got more viewers than the streams themselves), on and off for the better part of a year. And I never caught on. It's all so obvious now, but at the time I figured he was like numerous players I have seen over the years playing live- the guy who plays a ridiculously loose style, relying on his "live reads", and cleans up when he goes on a heater.

Now one thing is I didn't watch every episode, and I also saw a couple of the episodes where he wasn't in God mode, and those reinforced my beliefs- that this was just a guy getting very lucky and that when he ran bad he lost a lot.

I should also note that one other thing helped- the guy really did get lucky. He hit a LOT of gutshots and weird draw-outs. Like the time he called the flop against top pair with pocket 7's and 2 outed a set on the turn. Or the time he hit a gutshot on the river with 75 off to make a better straight than Frank had. That meme of "get there Postle" wasn't incorrect.

And the rungood conditions viewers who aren't watching carefully to look past the God mode. He's winning all this money, but we also see him sucking out and hitting lots of hands.
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