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Old 10-25-2019, 11:28 AM   #9351
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I agree 100%. Someone that operates the stream or has a hands on job dealing with it decided that they could make this happen and decided it was worth the risk. How they know Mike or decided he was the guy to pull it off is part of the question. They(the police) really just need to interrogate everyone that has this kind of opportunity and see what they come up with. Talk to the people that created the software and find out what it would take to do it and who all would have that kind of access. Pull all of these people in for questioning. Simply telling them that they just want Mike and will not prosecute anyone that helps them get him may be enough if they know what kind of charges they are facing otherwise. Seems like the best angle IMO.
They chose Postle because he's OK at poker. That's important. You actually have to at least have some understanding of poker to pull this off. You have to understand things like the 54o shove, the AJ fold, the need to make small value bets that set up a bet-fold when you are coolered with a strong second best hand, etc.

Postle is clearly a non-terrible poker player. He had some success online, he has done OK at least in minor tournaments, he was named player of the year by a poker magazine, and he's apparently been a pro for over a decade. So he has enough skills to understand the basic principles of God mode play.
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:43 AM   #9352
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I'm finding it hard to believe that the Sacto DA would be thrilled prosecuting this case (assuming Stones not directly involved).

Degens cheating degens.
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:53 AM   #9353
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They chose Postle because he's OK at poker. That's important. You actually have to at least have some understanding of poker to pull this off. You have to understand things like the 54o shove, the AJ fold, the need to make small value bets that set up a bet-fold when you are coolered with a strong second best hand, etc.

Postle is clearly a non-terrible poker player. He had some success online, he has done OK at least in minor tournaments, he was named player of the year by a poker magazine, and he's apparently been a pro for over a decade. So he has enough skills to understand the basic principles of God mode play.
IMO could not disagree more with you. If Postle had a good understanding of poker he would be able to get away with this for years to come. When he selects to bluff raise a player with ~700 behind in a 5K pot on the river, which has to fold since he is holding 9 high, and Postle is not holding nuts (or close to the nuts). Then it is safe to say he lacks fundamentals.

To be a pro for over a decade it is not required to be especially good at the game. If you are good with bankroll management and more importantly table selection, your chances of making it is really high. Maybe he is very good at these two essential factors. You don't need to be among the best players, you just need to be better than the player(s) at your table, since you can target one player specific and avoid all the others.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:33 PM   #9354
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https://youtu.be/hqq-FCkt4Mk?t=10181

Since we still talk about the comms, just listen to this here guys.
Btw. great play by Mike here.
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:41 PM   #9355
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IMO could not disagree more with you. If Postle had a good understanding of poker he would be able to get away with this for years to come. When he selects to bluff raise a player with ~700 behind in a 5K pot on the river, which has to fold since he is holding 9 high, and Postle is not holding nuts (or close to the nuts). Then it is safe to say he lacks fundamentals.

To be a pro for over a decade it is not required to be especially good at the game. If you are good with bankroll management and more importantly table selection, your chances of making it is really high. Maybe he is very good at these two essential factors. You don't need to be among the best players, you just need to be better than the player(s) at your table, since you can target one player specific and avoid all the others.
He's "very good" at 2 essential aspects of being a pro, but you "couldn't disagree more" that he's "OK" at poker?

I'm confused
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:41 PM   #9356
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They chose Postle because he's OK at poker. That's important. You actually have to at least have some understanding of poker to pull this off.
Agreed, but you also probably have to have some connection to him prior. I can't imagine walking up to someone I don't know and asking them to commit a felony with me with the risk that if they say no, they are going to tell everyone and at best I just lose my job.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:18 PM   #9357
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IMO could not disagree more with you. If Postle had a good understanding of poker he would be able to get away with this for years to come. When he selects to bluff raise a player with ~700 behind in a 5K pot on the river, which has to fold since he is holding 9 high, and Postle is not holding nuts (or close to the nuts). Then it is safe to say he lacks fundamentals.

To be a pro for over a decade it is not required to be especially good at the game. If you are good with bankroll management and more importantly table selection, your chances of making it is really high. Maybe he is very good at these two essential factors. You don't need to be among the best players, you just need to be better than the player(s) at your table, since you can target one player specific and avoid all the others.
I am not saying that he is a brilliant poker strategist. I have seen no evidence of that.

I am saying that there are certain basic things you have to have a grasp of to know what plays work best in God mode.

To see what I am getting at, think about some of the other regulars you see on those Stones broadcasts. At least some of them wouldn't have the knowledge necessary to execute the strategy Postle executes, even if they knew everyone's cards.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:28 PM   #9358
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One more question, do we know who is doing the job behind the scenes when Taylor isn't?
Lance. He's mentioned by name in the booth a few times. e.g. The commentators say something like "Are you there Lance? We need the Bombpotasaurus graphic up."
He's also been seen at the table a couple of times, replacing the dealer's headset (just like Taylor in another clip).
I think that on some sessions, Lance and Taylor shared the same role, with one doing the first 90 minutes or so, and then the other took over. This would explain why some sessions have Postle not cheating for at least part of the session (and indeed led to some sessions initially being labelled as "not godmode" in the spreadsheet, because the viewer only looked at a few hands, when Lance was presumably in the booth).
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:41 PM   #9359
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Regarding the commentators, carry on, but correlation is extremely far from causation in this case. It's pretty easy to think of innocent reasons why some of those results might exist, whereas it's a huge stretch to imagine a big group of conspirators is required to be commentating for cheating to occur (or be hidden).

And about the commentators now being quiet - are you kidding me? These people have careers, there's a lawsuit in action and possible legitimate investigations underway. It's almost certain that anyone who has sought legal advice has been advised not to comment publicly.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:54 PM   #9360
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The hands where he's trying to get people off chops are the most disgusting. What a greedy pathetic little man.
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:06 PM   #9361
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Is there a detailed breakdown of when Lance or Taylor was working vs God-Mode? Although that info might be hard to get (for us, the lawyers can get it).

It did sound like he'd need an inside man to turn the extra stream feed on. Seems much more relevant than the commentary gushing over Mike's "skills".
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:28 PM   #9362
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Someone in a Stones live stream chat said Postle wins bomb pots. If he was sensible he would have flown under the radar by only using his Godlike Super Powers in really big pots, and then just played normal poker in normal hands.

But he got too greedy, and loved the limelight showing off so much winning with his ridiculous hands, so he got caught out.
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:31 PM   #9363
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Is there a detailed breakdown of when Lance or Taylor was working vs God-Mode? Although that info might be hard to get (for us, the lawyers can get it).
We're still working on it, mainly by using sightings on the streams (e.g. visiting the table) and in the chatboxes. Lance is almost certainly entirely innocent. There is, however, a very strong correlation (albeit on so far limited data) between Taylor working in the peek room, and Postle engaging in God mode. Indeed, I'm yet to find a single stream where Godmode is on, and Taylor is definitely NOT at work. (By contrast, there are a few godmode sessions where JFK wasn't even in the country).
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:41 PM   #9364
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The hands where he's trying to get people off chops are the most disgusting. What a greedy pathetic little man.
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:54 PM   #9365
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The hands where he's trying to get people off chops are the most disgusting. What a greedy pathetic little man.
Yeah, this is what struck me. He just gets so greedy towards the end, he looks pissed when he looses a pot.
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Old 10-25-2019, 03:39 PM   #9366
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have there been any actual developments in this?
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Old 10-25-2019, 04:25 PM   #9367
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have there been any actual developments in this?
No. So far we just know he was cheating still.
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Old 10-25-2019, 04:36 PM   #9368
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have there been any actual developments in this?
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Old 10-25-2019, 05:22 PM   #9369
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I agree 100%. Someone that operates the stream or has a hands on job dealing with it decided that they could make this happen and decided it was worth the risk. How they know Mike or decided he was the guy to pull it off is part of the question. They(the police) really just need to interrogate everyone that has this kind of opportunity and see what they come up with. Talk to the people that created the software and find out what it would take to do it and who all would have that kind of access. Pull all of these people in for questioning. Simply telling them that they just want Mike and will not prosecute anyone that helps them get him may be enough if they know what kind of charges they are facing otherwise. Seems like the best angle IMO.
I heard a rumor that Russ Georgiev was in the peek room working the live stream.......
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Old 10-25-2019, 07:07 PM   #9370
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I heard a rumor that Russ Georgiev was in the peek room working the .... stream.......
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Old 10-25-2019, 09:40 PM   #9371
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I agree 100%. Someone that operates the stream or has a hands on job dealing with it decided that they could make this happen and decided it was worth the risk. How they know Mike or decided he was the guy to pull it off is part of the question. They(the police) really just need to interrogate everyone that has this kind of opportunity and see what they come up with. Talk to the people that created the software and find out what it would take to do it and who all would have that kind of access. Pull all of these people in for questioning. Simply telling them that they just want Mike and will not prosecute anyone that helps them get him may be enough if they know what kind of charges they are facing otherwise. Seems like the best angle IMO.
Guys this is a genius way to look at it. You just gave a perfect recipe for the guy in charge for solving this.

I hope the FBI , or whoever is in charge reads this and this post gets reposted until it's done.

That's exactly right, he couldn't have done it alone, somebody with access to the tech must have been involved. How many would that be? 2 people? 3? And boom there you have it. Case closed.
The manager must know this. Nobody is supposed to have "this information" of the cards.

So the magical word is "tech guys" who understand this really well. Only the best of the best tech guys will solve this.

Maybe security camera footage helps as well. There were cameras everywhere.

I think this post by Suit should be on every page of this threat so eventually the right people read this or get that info, if they not already know it.

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Old 10-25-2019, 09:53 PM   #9372
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Or we start a gofundme and then hire an investigor?

I would donate to help solving this and I think many more would donate too if it helps.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:10 PM   #9373
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Let's think about this rationally for a sec. Imagine that Mike wasn't actually cheating, but was actually this amazing at playing poker. Do you really think they would be saying anything different? I don't. I think they're comments are perfectly normal for what I would expect from people watching this without knowing he is cheating.
You are right I think. It's just a strange coincident that the guy was so hyped and the benefectors of all this is also the casino.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:11 PM   #9374
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I am not saying that he is a brilliant poker strategist. I have seen no evidence of that.

I am saying that there are certain basic things you have to have a grasp of to know what plays work best in God mode.

To see what I am getting at, think about some of the other regulars you see on those Stones broadcasts. At least some of them wouldn't have the knowledge necessary to execute the strategy Postle executes, even if they knew everyone's cards.
From some of my earlier posts I said that I could not understand people playing this guy and that was just after looking at one whole session. Under the assumption other player would actually look at the stream after sessions to understand other players and particular Postles strategy.

Only thing I can see is that he executes greed to perfection which became his downfall. Of course I agree with you that he has the basics in check to play the game. If it is just plain stupidity or greed blurring his vision is anyone`s guess, as exploiting situations which is impossible due to either holdings or stacksizes /potcommitment, shows fundamentally flaws in knowledge of the game.

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He's "very good" at 2 essential aspects of being a pro, but you "couldn't disagree more" that he's "OK" at poker?

I'm confused
What is confusing? He can be terrible from a game theoretical perspective, but if he is great at bankroll management and table selection he can make a living as a pro. This is self explanatory.
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