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Old 10-23-2019, 09:42 PM   #9251
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:54 PM   #9252
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In the last hand at the 20:01 mark, it looks like postle flips up the ace of spades while the graphics indicate he had Qd 8s. Anyone else agree with this?
No, it's a queen. If you freeze it at just the right spot where it's facing directly at the camera (use the "." key to advance a frame at a time) instead of lying flat on the table, you can see it.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:09 PM   #9253
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What does this mean? What's off about them?

I haven't watched all the videos, so I couldn't comment on a pattern. I've commented on the two most recent clips posted by Xenicide - one that was interpreted ridiculously, and this most recent one where there's a joke I'm not really seeing, and if it is one, I don't know what's important about it, which is why I asked if I'm missing something.

I have watched a lot of Joeys videos, all the first postle videos,

mainly the shorter versions, not the 5h vids, and now a lot whats coming now from joey.

they did the memes a lot and everytime they do the memes and talk about him as a " ??? btw. its blasphemie that they call him that way.

I get a very odd feeling.

Like did this just really happen? Is this for real?

You can see Joeys reactions and he is stunned, by how blatantly stupidly they made the show. its like a sect. yes sect is a good word to describe it. You think there is something wrong with the place everyone including the commentators everything...

U stay behind and just have a gut feeling there is something off.

I dont know if I can put it into words, it seems not right, "not authentic"

yes there was a pattern, everyone hyping him as the best, a genious, "he can see cards" its said over and over again.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:11 PM   #9254
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I made a video that highlights a few hands and features some interesting commentary

The 60 second stretch of "don't do this" is hysterically good ... ty for this
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:18 PM   #9255
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yea the booth was definitely able to communicate with the commentators. from what ive seen, Taylor seemed to yell at them from the booth, JFK would type in chat sometimes.

i cant recall the source, so take this with a grain of salt, but i remember hearing that JFK or Taylor said that they would text Mike to see what he had "when the graphics were wrong". Mb someone can confirm, deny or provide a source to this. Now who knows if they were lying or not to cover something up but to admit that someone with access to the undelayed livestream would be texting a player at the table is ridiculous. Ppl outside the booth (JFK) should not have access to the livestream, the booth should not have electronics that can have coms with the outside world, and they should never be communicating directly with players from the booth, it should only be done through the dealer.
Footage of JFK texting and then calling Postle, from the comment booth directly to the live game, see my post here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=7809

Also, the wall between the 'peek room' and the comment booth is paper thin.
People can and do talk through this wall and there is footage of them doing that as well, which I mention in a later post.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:04 PM   #9256
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Footage of JFK texting and then calling Postle, from the comment booth directly to the live game, see my post here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=7809

Also, the wall between the 'peek room' and the comment booth is paper thin.
People can and do talk through this wall and there is footage of them doing that as well, which I mention in a later post.
Why is anyone watching the play in real time? If they are, why aren't they in a closed room with no electronics other than the screen?
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:47 PM   #9257
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Footage of JFK texting and then calling Postle, from the comment booth directly to the live game, see my post here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=7809

Also, the wall between the 'peek room' and the comment booth is paper thin.
People can and do talk through this wall and there is footage of them doing that as well, which I mention in a later post.
Thanks for providing sources. Looks like I was a bit off but it shows how JFK had zero regard for following rules and regulations of running a live stream.

I think I heard somewhere that JFK liked to watch the undelayed live feed, might have been anecdotal evidence from either Veronica or Kasey, I wish I jotted down notes and sources on this stuff bc theres just so much info to sift through at this point.

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Why is anyone watching the play in real time? If they are, why aren't they in a closed room with no electronics other than the screen?
Wild Card is saying that, while JFK was commentating, he called Postle about a hand that was played 30 minutes ago which is negligent because Postle was still playing in the game. The time delay is kind of a mind**** sometimes.

But Stone's did broadcast the realtime feed. We know this bc they got caught by a commentator when they accidentally played it on the TV sets at Stones right in front of all the players. I think JFK had access and a higher up had access which he liked to brag about or something along those lines. It goes without saying that the realtime feed should never be broadcast to the outside world.

blue text is verified; green i just remember reading or hearing
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:57 PM   #9258
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In the last hand at the 20:01 mark, it looks like postle flips up the ace of spades while the graphics indicate he had Qd 8s. Anyone else agree with this?
Yes, 100% it's the Ace of Spades. So strange
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:59 PM   #9259
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No, it's a queen. If you freeze it at just the right spot where it's facing directly at the camera (use the "." key to advance a frame at a time) instead of lying flat on the table, you can see it.
No clue how you're seeing a Queen there. Regardless, it's a different card than the graphic.

Edit: You are correct, it is the Queen of spades. Time to get my eyes checked.

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Old 10-24-2019, 12:00 AM   #9260
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Honestly, I didn't go through all the 350+ pages of this thread but I got the key points.
I can see that so far, there's sadly no real evidence of Mike cheating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm almost sure he did cheat and all the material brought up here scream "guilty" at his face, but I still don't like the idea to condemn anyone without the possibility to show him hard evidence of his crimes before telling him the sentence.
I mean, give me a clear screenshot of his phone running the cheating app, pick his hat during a live stream and show everyone the cheating device, show me logs of GFX server sending info to other devices that the ones intended to... give me something I can throw at his face without any remorse because I'm absolutely 100% sure he did it.

Like a few posters before, I think this is a bit sad that when suspicions came to the eyes of some people, they decided to go public before getting the possibility to catch him without any doubt of innocence.
Now I think there's a lot less chances that something happen to him.
You just have to have a little intelligence and connect the dots a bit. This isn't a court of law. You'd have to be dumb as a brick to think he's innocent if you've read this entire thread.

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Old 10-24-2019, 12:04 AM   #9261
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Idk, I am on an iPad and could not slow it down as eponymous suggested but did a slower play speed and it did look more like a face card, but still a black one, to me.
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Old 10-24-2019, 12:15 AM   #9262
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Idk, I am on an iPad and could not slow it down as eponymous suggested but did a slower play speed and it did look more like a face card, but still a black one, to me.
Man if that's the Queen of spades, I'm going directly to an optometrist in the morning.

Edit: It is the Queen of Spades. Optometrist time

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Old 10-24-2019, 12:23 AM   #9263
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Yes, 100% it's the Ace of Spades. So strange
It's 100% not the Ace of Spades.

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No clue how you're seeing a Queen there. Regardless, it's a different card than the graphic.
That is not a large spade in the middle of the card. It is definitely a face card. You can see the typical symmetrical graphic with a head at the top and the bottom with the shared shoulders/torso in the middle. And the letter in the corner looks more like a Q than a K or a J. The suit is hard to make out, but it could be a diamond. The colors are not vivid, so it's difficult to distinguish red from black suits, as has been noted in other posts.



Here is a similar one for comparison:
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Old 10-24-2019, 12:29 AM   #9264
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Thank eponymous.
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Old 10-24-2019, 01:47 AM   #9265
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You just have to have a little intelligence and connect the dots a bit. This isn't a court of law. You'd have to be dumb as a brick to think he's innocent if you've read this entire thread.
You should re-read my post again and tell me where did I say I think he's innocent ?
I'm not defending him at all, I just said that the way I see justice should be served is seemingly not the same than many here, that's it.
If you can't accept different point of views, then don't bother opening an internet thread.
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:59 AM   #9266
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It's 100% not the Ace of Spades.



That is not a large spade in the middle of the card. It is definitely a face card. You can see the typical symmetrical graphic with a head at the top and the bottom with the shared shoulders/torso in the middle. And the letter in the corner looks more like a Q than a K or a J. The suit is hard to make out, but it could be a diamond. The colors are not vivid, so it's difficult to distinguish red from black suits, as has been noted in other posts.



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Old 10-24-2019, 05:39 AM   #9267
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...You can see Joeys reactions and he is stunned, by how blatantly stupidly they made the show...
These commentators are not broadcasters. They think they have to fill every dead second of air with rubbish. That's not the case.

This is why Gabe Kaplan was so good in High Stakes Poker. He was a minimalist. He said what needed to be said and no more and then he'd let the hand play out and listen to the table talk.

Broadcasting is not easy, nor intuitive. You have to have timing, intelligence, knowledge of the game, a great voice and a sense of humor.

They just threw people into the box with no regard to broadcasting talent. After all, it was a small time operation more or less.

No wonder you got nothing but endless inane babble.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:12 AM   #9268
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They just threw people into the box with no regard to broadcasting talent. After all, it was a small time operation more or less.

No wonder you got nothing but endless inane babble.
True, but also no regard for them even having a basic understanding of hand ranking or poker in general.
There's an episode where Kasey shows that she doesn't even know that a boat is better than a straight.
It's like they have no idea, or couldn't even be bothered to figure out the most basic rules.
It's beyond ridiculous, how do they even have jobs?
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:39 AM   #9269
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I think you're vastly exaggerating in your mind the talent who would be willing to take a job that likely pays barista wages for a stream of just a few hundred viewers
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Old 10-24-2019, 07:10 AM   #9270
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I think you're vastly exaggerating in your mind the talent who would be willing to take a job that likely pays barista wages for a stream of just a few hundred viewers
Or do you mean the non-talent? I dunno, I assume any job would require a person to have at least some vague interest in what they are doing.
I'm not expecting them to be talented, just at least they could have printed out the hand rankings, if it's too troublesome for them to bother trying to remember some of them?
Some of the nonsense they make up about Postle's hands to excuse his play, is so ridiculous, it wouldn't fool even a complete novice at poker.
It helps make the whole thing seem completely unreal. No wonder some people think they might be in on the scam. Perhaps some of them are?

So are you saying the job market is so desperate out there, they don't care anything about the person to fill a job? Like they'll just pick any random person who will do it?
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True, but also no regard for them even having a basic understanding of hand ranking or poker in general.
There's an episode where Kasey shows that she doesn't even know that a boat is better than a straight.
It's like they have no idea, or couldn't even be bothered to figure out the most basic rules.
It's beyond ridiculous, how do they even have jobs?
You are wildly exaggerating their lack of poker knowledge. They all know the hand rankings and more than just the basic rules. I'm sure Kasey must have made a mistake reading the board or someone's hand, or missed that someone had a boat, but she has demonstrated much more knowledge of the game than not knowing the hand rankings. They all have.

Show an example where it shows they know that little about the game, and not just a mistake that is made when broadcasting four hours live.
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Old 10-24-2019, 07:34 AM   #9272
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Or do you mean the non-talent? I dunno, I assume any job would require a person to have at least some vague interest in what they are doing.
I'm not expecting them to be talented, just at least they could have printed out the hand rankings, if it's too troublesome for them to bother trying to remember some of them?
Some of the nonsense they make up about Postle's hands to excuse his play, is so ridiculous, it wouldn't fool even a complete novice at poker.
It helps make the whole thing seem completely unreal. No wonder some people think they might be in on the scam. Perhaps some of them are?

So are you saying the job market is so desperate out there, they don't care anything about the person to fill a job? Like they'll just pick any random person who will do it?
Don't know anything about their specific setup but it's 100% a part time job. So it's the casino finding volunteers from within normal staff where they have a very limited pool of people to choose from or they hire outside. Hiring part time is a nightmare because so few people are available part time.

Find me a dozen people in Sacramento who can work odd and inconsistent hours for minimimum wage and show up consistently while also being personable enough for whomever is doing the hiring to say "this person will improve the stream" and I'll take you plenty of time

It's harder than you'd think. Even hiring from this thread, probably 80%+ would be awful on camera and instantly ruled out. The thing about broadcasting many people don't know is that the really bad ones are still usually far better than the average person would be on camera.

The remaining 20% who wouldn't such the life out of the audience likely wouldn't have the odd hours consistently available to host the stream, wouldn't want to host a stream, or just wouldn't want to work for what it's likely minimum wage.

So knowledge of poker is going to be one of the lowest requirements they'd care about when hiring. They simply don't have that luxury. From the little bits I've seen, they are halfway decent at having an engaging presence that helps fill dead air and there's a lot of dead air on a live stream. What they do is very, very hard despite looking very easy.

It's lolsamplesize so they could be objectively terrible, I really don't know, just as someone who's worked in broadcasting, I'm telling you, it's not easy finding good on air talent that also knows the subject well even when the talent is highly paid. So expecting that from someone grinding minimum wage to an audience of 300 is more naive than the people claiming he just making good live reads imo
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Old 10-24-2019, 07:50 AM   #9273
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Don't know anything about their specific setup but it's 100% a part time job. So it's the casino finding volunteers from within normal staff where they have a very limited pool of people to choose from or they hire outside. Hiring part time is a nightmare because so few people are available part time.

Find me a dozen people in Sacramento who can work odd and inconsistent hours for minimimum wage and show up consistently while also being personable enough for whomever is doing the hiring to say "this person will improve the stream" and I'll take you plenty of time

It's harder than you'd think. Even hiring from this thread, probably 80%+ would be awful on camera and instantly ruled out. The thing about broadcasting many people don't know is that the really bad ones are still usually far better than the average person would be on camera.

The remaining 20% who wouldn't such the life out of the audience likely wouldn't have the odd hours consistently available to host the stream, wouldn't want to host a stream, or just wouldn't want to work for what it's likely minimum wage.
You make some good points, agreed. If they have to hire from within + part-time etc. yes.
Well that was worth asking for your answer I was just generally struck by it, and I think it adds a lot onto them seeming to be part of the scam (whether they are or not), and the general unreal-ness.
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Old 10-24-2019, 07:53 AM   #9274
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4KS_TixXx0
15/08/2018

EZ reraise for Mike here with 43o on button, after HJ c-bets on AK9 board in a 4 way pot, WTF
Classic Mike steal - excellent commentary on this again

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=2224

Calling 3bet oop with J8o - flopping top pair - WTF is that hand again
check/check on flop (Alisha has an overpair) - Alisha makes top set on Turn and overbet shoves, Mike folds LUL

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=5322

UTG2 open (KTo) - Mike calls on button with KJo - Q78o rainbow flop - villain c-bets, Mike calls
A on Turn, villain bets again, and Mike raises, well played Mike - as if Mike
would EVER do that when the oppenent actually has a hand, 0 times exactly he does it then

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=6146

How to get max value out of 9 high while ladies are hopping around on others
laps at the table

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=6677

One more example of Mike's postflop skills
Mike opens A8s on CO, btn calls, BB 3bets, Mike taking a deep look and calls, btn calls too
BB c-bets on KQ8 rainbow, Mike calls with buttom pair, overcard (A) and backdoor nutflushdraw, btn folds
BB check on J on Turn (2 diamonds now), Mike bets 1/3 pot and done - he just knows

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=7781

Here Mike of course doesn't try to steal somehow, he just gives up against the flopped boat
And he is looking down in his lap during the hand here also

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=7781

This is the exactly the next hand, Bombpot, Mike flops 3rd pair and backdoor flushdraw
One bet on the flop and 3 callers after being 9 handed!!!
Board on Turn is now K799 2 hearts and after being checked to Mike he bets of course
since all others only have draws
Total brick on the river and Mike bets again with his ****ing 7 and wins a HUGE pot
Well played hand again by Mike (comms) valuebetting his bottom pair multiway and being
right of course, he is sooooooo good
Btw. what is that ****ing river bet here? He wants to hide his holding with it!!

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=7781

This is an intersting hand also vs Weronica
Mike can't check the cards in that in this spot i think, cause there is the lady
there right next to him, almost on him already
So Mike is folding the nutflushdraw

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=12469

And another WTF hand here with 43o, Weronica is commenting it.
HJ (92s) opened Mike called pre on btn, flops comes AT8 rainbow, HJ 1/2 c-bets Mike RAISES again
Turn is J (2 clubs now), HJ checks now, Mike bets 1/3 pot, btn calls
T(s) on river and Mike shoves of course, btn folds, he is just always right

https://youtu.be/P4KS_TixXx0?t=13647

Btw. guys, do we have any examples of Mike 4 betting? I can't really remember seeing him...
It's always postflop play!!
God mode is ON here
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Old 10-24-2019, 08:26 AM   #9275
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Show an example where it shows they know that little about the game, and not just a mistake that is made when broadcasting four hours live.
Yeah I have a feeling I could find a ton of examples for you.
Firstly in the 88 vs TT hand

https://youtu.be/0vaF0kwjQhg?t=1173

Kasey exclaims @ 20:48 :" OMG! Look at this run out, both have boats!"
Kasey @ 21:59 :"I guess... he's thinking, it's 8 9 10 ... there's 6 7... Jack Queen..."
Chris: "Obviously he's not worried about the straights, he has a boat".

This stream had only been running for 20 minutes (so no '4 hours long' excuse, like you suggest).

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=4618

JT vs 99
Scott: "wow! look he folded"
Kasey: "Granted if the 8 doesn't come, he's ahead" ?? "He looks upset, maybe he showed him one 9" ??
(she completely distracts from the fact Postle folds for no reason whatsoever. Then they try to move the conversation on and away from that hand.)

This is just 1 hour into the stream.

I'm just going through all the weird hands, but it's like they (or some of them) are trying to cover for him.
I've only just started going through them though (focusing on commentators), & will probably have a ton of examples by the end of it.
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