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Old 10-22-2019, 09:44 PM   #9201
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Postle has a fold to 3bet as the PFR about 5% or less (I actually can't remember other hands where he folded to a 3bet after PFR during God Mode sessions)

Postle has a fold to 3bet as the cold-caller around the same

Postle doesn't folds to 3bets once he VPIPs

Postle's entire expression changes when he takes a deep look into his crotch. You can see the difference when he looks at his cards vs looks into his crotch.

It's just one more hand/instance/piece of a complex Postle puzzle.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:58 PM   #9202
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Postle has a fold to 3bet as the PFR about 5% or less (I actually can't remember other hands where he folded to a 3bet after PFR during God Mode sessions)

Postle has a fold to 3bet as the cold-caller around the same

Postle doesn't folds to 3bets once he VPIPs

Postle's entire expression changes when he takes a deep look into his crotch. You can see the difference when he looks at his cards vs looks into his crotch.

It's just one more hand/instance/piece of a complex Postle puzzle.
I'd put his fold to 3-bet at less than 2% through the first 6 streams - in fact can't remember a single one.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:16 PM   #9203
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Playing on Global Poker right now... User MikePostle1 at my left... Became active October 7th. Cute.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:19 PM   #9204
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I got a "Mike Postle" on UPoker a few days ago . Unsurprisingly, he was awful.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:19 PM   #9205
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Postle has a fold to 3bet as the PFR about 5% or less (I actually can't remember other hands where he folded to a 3bet after PFR during God Mode sessions)

Postle has a fold to 3bet as the cold-caller around the same

Postle doesn't folds to 3bets once he VPIPs

Postle's entire expression changes when he takes a deep look into his crotch. You can see the difference when he looks at his cards vs looks into his crotch.

It's just one more hand/instance/piece of a complex Postle puzzle.
Yes. Yes. Yes. His pre-flop frequency of calling a three bet after being the initial raiser is almost 100%. And often he makes the calls with absolute **** cards. Here he is getting 3x1 on a call AND HE HAS A REAL HAND.

Add in his physical action and facial expression, along with the talking to justify playing completely out of character, and it's a bright ****ing neon sign stating. "I know the hole cards!"
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:25 PM   #9206
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I got a "Mike Postle" on UPoker a few days ago . Unsurprisingly, he was awful.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:38 PM   #9207
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If only they were so careful. This was posted on Twitter by Stones back in Sept.:

It is interesting to watch this thread evolve. Initially there were many Postle fans defending him. Now no one with any understanding of poker will defend him.

It is bothersome that someone could cheat and get away with it if they weren't so obvious about it. This also opens a big can of worms with other streams and possible suspicious play.

In the end, hopefully live streams and televised tournaments will be forced to make the 'peek booth' an extremely secure place with only trustworthy people having access to it.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:46 PM   #9208
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If only they were so careful. This was posted on Twitter by Stones back in Sept.:

That is incriminating. They conducted an investigation earlier in the year and know that recent allegations are completely fabricated. That is awfully strong. How do they know? Why wouldn't they say they will look into them?
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:50 PM   #9209
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I believe its very likely that Kasey is being bribed 25 thousand dollars to commentate for Mike/work at stones. Does it really need explaining?
Yes it does need explaining. I for one see no correlation to what you have posted to a 25k bribe.

Also, be very careful with such accusations. I may be alone, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:00 PM   #9210
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This is a good piece on potential defenses to the civil suit.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...seem-35686.htm

Now I will say that even though it is a good piece, several of the defenses he mentions are basically 0 percent to succeed. This guy is a lawyer (and apparently an excellent poker player), but he has the disease that a lot of non-lawyers have of assuming that if the defense has any answer at all, it will be magically believed by the jury. (So, for instance, no, it's not possible to explain all of Postle's hands in terms of things that good players might do occasionally-- 54 off all-in pre-flop and the JTo hand that folds when he makes top pair are 2 examples. And a lot of the evidence about crotches and hats is powerful not only by itself, but because it coincides with the time that Postle is in God mode.)

But several of the things he mentions really are likely defenses if a case ever reaches a jury.
The guy who wrote that article seems like a really good civil defense lawyer, but like a lawyer he is presenting only one side of the case and presenting it well and strongly.

The hand histories and win rates convince poker players, but maybe not a jury. However, there is circumstantial evidence of his staring at the phone in his crotch hundreds of times.

Presumably the plaintiff can get hold of overhead camera pictures, which may show what is on the phone. That might raise questions about the early Stones investigation. If the overhead pictures were destroyed, that could also raise questions.

The plaintiff presumably can ask for what is on Postle's phone. If Postle's phone was destroyed or information was removed from it, that might also not look good.

Presumably the plaintiff will investigate how Postle got the information and who sent it.

There is also the long friendly interview where Postle never denied cheating. You would think someone innocent would act angry and outraged rather than talk about what a great player he was. There are statements by the poker room, like calling the allegations "completely fabricated" that are incriminating.

Then the plaintiff can call Postle and JFK as witnesses, and how will they do under questioning?

I know only a little about this sort of thing, but it if the defense can make a case, the plaintiff should be able to make a better case, assuming the cheating did occur.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:02 PM   #9211
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Yes it does need explaining. I for one see no correlation to what you have posted to a 25k bribe.

Also, be very careful with such accusations. I may be alone, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
I don't think Mike made enough at those games to throw around $25K bribes.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:15 PM   #9212
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Postle has a fold to 3bet as the PFR about 5% or less (I actually can't remember other hands where he folded to a 3bet after PFR during God Mode sessions)

Postle has a fold to 3bet as the cold-caller around the same

Postle doesn't folds to 3bets once he VPIPs

Postle's entire expression changes when he takes a deep look into his crotch. You can see the difference when he looks at his cards vs looks into his crotch.

It's just one more hand/instance/piece of a complex Postle puzzle.
Yep. This is a guy who will call a shove with 54 off (when he is up against two AK's, of course) but won't call a 3-bet with a deep stack with AJo (but only when he's up against exactly AA and JJ, of course).
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:16 PM   #9213
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Has anyone been in Stones lately? Waht is the chatter in the room?
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:18 PM   #9214
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The guy who wrote that article seems like a really good civil defense lawyer, but like a lawyer he is presenting only one side of the case and presenting it well and strongly.

The hand histories and win rates convince poker players, but maybe not a jury. However, there is circumstantial evidence of his staring at the phone in his crotch hundreds of times.

Presumably the plaintiff can get hold of overhead camera pictures, which may show what is on the phone. That might raise questions about the early Stones investigation. If the overhead pictures were destroyed, that could also raise questions.

The plaintiff presumably can ask for what is on Postle's phone. If Postle's phone was destroyed or information was removed from it, that might also not look good.

Presumably the plaintiff will investigate how Postle got the information and who sent it.

There is also the long friendly interview where Postle never denied cheating. You would think someone innocent would act angry and outraged rather than talk about what a great player he was. There are statements by the poker room, like calling the allegations "completely fabricated" that are incriminating.

Then the plaintiff can call Postle and JFK as witnesses, and how will they do under questioning?

I know only a little about this sort of thing, but it if the defense can make a case, the plaintiff should be able to make a better case, assuming the cheating did occur.
Yep.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:30 PM   #9215
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Lol, mike p and vocalterror talking about shortdeck..


https://mobile.twitter.com/TheVocalT...31638585884672
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:31 PM   #9216
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One problem with this case is that most people aren't sympathetic to professional poker players. They believe that professional poker players exploit amateurs and take their money, don't care how much they take, and destroy their opponent's and their opponent's family's lives. Now poker players don't think they are responsible for what happens to anyone besides themselves so long as they play honestly, but the fact is this type of exploitation is seen by many (especially religious types) as just as immoral as the type of cheating discussed in this thread.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:49 PM   #9217
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As damning as the statistical and mathematical evidence is, the only clip I needed to see to confirm his guilt was the Omaha hand. The one where Mike P is visibly distraught and frantically resliding his cards over the reader after a nice deep long look at his cock.
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:03 AM   #9218
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Honestly, I didn't go through all the 350+ pages of this thread but I got the key points.
I can see that so far, there's sadly no real evidence of Mike cheating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm almost sure he did cheat and all the material brought up here scream "guilty" at his face, but I still don't like the idea to condemn anyone without the possibility to show him hard evidence of his crimes before telling him the sentence.
I mean, give me a clear screenshot of his phone running the cheating app, pick his hat during a live stream and show everyone the cheating device, show me logs of GFX server sending info to other devices that the ones intended to... give me something I can throw at his face without any remorse because I'm absolutely 100% sure he did it.

Like a few posters before, I think this is a bit sad that when suspicions came to the eyes of some people, they decided to go public before getting the possibility to catch him without any doubt of innocence.
Now I think there's a lot less chances that something happen to him.
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:14 AM   #9219
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Would a casino or any law enforcement agency actually do a sting operation in a poker room to see if a player was cheating?
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:15 AM   #9220
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Playing on Global Poker right now... User MikePostle1 at my left... Became active October 7th. Cute.
There's a MikePostlesHat on GGpoker and his avatar is a picture of said hat lol

Crotchpoker might a good one.
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:35 AM   #9221
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A few folks have been wondering where Mike has gone.

My sources are telling me he is in Asia giving poker lessons.



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Old 10-23-2019, 03:52 AM   #9222
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If only they were so careful. This was posted on Twitter by Stones back in Sept.:

At that time, it seems, Justin Kuratis was handling their Twitter account, and also the prior "investigation." It's safe to say, no investigation had happened at that point - likely because he was in on it. And Stone's clearly was not on the ball here, but after this all blew up, it appears they began to take the issue seriously.
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Old 10-23-2019, 06:07 AM   #9223
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZoDSl6s8XU
29/10/2018

Mike almost losing nothing with 2 pair
Of course he is not pushing his opponent off the better 2 pair

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=2223

Mike c-bet with 33 on A76 on flop 4 way - folding on turn then

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=2573

Mike calling 3bet with 62o - comms ("explain it") - and Mike of course not bluffing here, i mean, of course not

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=5499

EZ check raise in 8 way flop with 2nd pair, taking it down on the turn then

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=7082

Just another perfect play by Mike here - letting his opponent bluff perfectly

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=7476

WTF is that hand, DaveO is just soooo bad, Mike of course keeps looking down here, Dave turning one of his holdings around on turn LOL,
and Mike keeps pushing and pushing

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=7639

Mike doesn't call AJ on 3bets, but he calls with hands like A2o and 62o for example - WOW this
hand is actually really funny postflop (WTF is that turn play) LUL, and then, another digusting river play again
Kasey Mills calls him "Mike big P" - too much information

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=7954

7 way flop again, Mike with flop 2 pair - nice check raise then bruh

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=10301

Oh man, the commentary again here, LISTEN - he knows that he's good with 3rd pair in a 4 way pot on the turn
Pure skill - and he is never wrong, he just "knows"

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=11593

This hand again, oh man, i don't know, Mike really checks here this river after bluffing on the turn, really?
Why he never shoves in this spots? Why he doesn't bluff at all here with 7 high?

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=12387

Mike playing a hand with AA, but playing it slow of course postflop, the comms call it a marginal hand then,
well playing 3rd pair agressive on turn the comms go, WOW, what a play, he is so good -.-

https://youtu.be/4ZoDSl6s8XU?t=15292

Mike is having the phone down in his crotch here, he also seems to be distracted by something on tv - god mode is ON here for sure - there is soooooo many hands to look have a closer look at here!!
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:25 AM   #9224
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The thing that sucks is there does not seem to be a true smoking gun. I know that everything points to him cheating and the odds against would be 0.00000000000001%. I am not convinced that the players who sued necessarily will win in court. I hope they do win because there is no way you win that much all the time. Folding AK when you flop top pair on a pretty dry board. That makes no sense unless of course he knows he is up against a set.
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:52 AM   #9225
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Honestly, I didn't go through all the 350+ pages of this thread but I got the key points.
I can see that so far, there's sadly no real evidence of Mike cheating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm almost sure he did cheat and all the material brought up here scream "guilty" at his face, but I still don't like the idea to condemn anyone without the possibility to show him hard evidence of his crimes before telling him the sentence.
I mean, give me a clear screenshot of his phone running the cheating app, pick his hat during a live stream and show everyone the cheating device, show me logs of GFX server sending info to other devices that the ones intended to... give me something I can throw at his face without any remorse because I'm absolutely 100% sure he did it.

Like a few posters before, I think this is a bit sad that when suspicions came to the eyes of some people, they decided to go public before getting the possibility to catch him without any doubt of innocence.
Now I think there's a lot less chances that something happen to him.
In the lawsuit there is hope to get logs from the computers, and/or more camera angles of Mike Postle. The hard evidence could be in one of those two options.
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