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Old 10-21-2019, 06:57 PM   #9151
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Fair point, after all the antagonist in everyone’s favorite poker movie (worm) is a constant cheat who is proud of not beating the game straight up, but rather gets a rush off getting away with the con. He and Mike even cheat the frat boy game even tho they don’t need it to win. They just fall back into their old tricks
Heck, in the movies, sometimes we root for the cheat (e.g., Paul Newman in "The Sting").
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:12 PM   #9152
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Depends if a court or jury buys that argument. (In the real world, I doubt the civil case gets to trial, but if it did, the defense would certainly argue that, although my guess would be that a jury or judge wouldn't buy it.)
Wouldn't the damages be the actual damages, eg the actual losses incurred over x number of sessions? I mean if courts calculated ev for all civil cases, civil cases would require accounting measures and countermeasures that could cost much of any change in the amount of settlement.

Also what do you think of the plantiff's representing Veronica, against whom there is a colorable claim by some plantiffs (if she invited them to the game, representing Stones, whether or not she suspected cheating). Is this a conflict of interest?
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:27 PM   #9153
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Sweet victim blaming bro Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
I agree that it could have been done better. getting the phone at the time of cheating for instance. These types of crimes have to be busted INFLAGRANTI.

It would have been much better and all the evidence might be destoyed now.
But nobody is perfect and this would have may be been not achievable at the time.

But all I am saying is this could have been handled better. She could have contacted the Gaming Comssion descreetly or the police. They would have frisked the guy and we would have a much better stance.

But better than nothing at least.

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Old 10-21-2019, 07:31 PM   #9154
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

and you all hyping veronice brill, yes she did a great job without her may be there would be nothing now. and the cheating continues...

but, they should have strip searched him on the spot.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:55 PM   #9155
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what he does in the interview is called blame shifting (or gaslighting ((playing the victim, trying to get empathy)

either coming from a false reality or he is trying to manipulate. I think this is a narcistic trait.

But am no psyochogist, just read a lot about these kind of behaviours.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:04 PM   #9156
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At this point in time has anyone been charged with a crime?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:09 PM   #9157
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At this point in time has anyone been charged with a crime?
I think no, its just a civil suit. waiting to process...

Is this a humpback whale?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:31 PM   #9158
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I was reminded of the many, many statements (such as the one above) about MP's overreaching when I read this passage in Margaret Atwood's Handmaid's Tale today:
'Perhaps he’s reached that state of intoxication which power is said to inspire, the state in which you believe you are indispensable and can therefore do anything, absolutely anything you feel like, anything at all.'

As did potripper.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:41 PM   #9159
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I don't believe this is a class action suit, just a civil suit with many plaintiffs. That said; what are they suppose to do? The plaintiffs, being regular people/citizens, don't have much investigative powers. They can't compel MP to produce documents, records, etc. without first filing suit. The discovery stage in a civil suit is an extremely powerful mechanism to get access to potential evidence. Heck, discovery in many ways is a big fishing expedition that allows the plaintiffs to cast a very big net. Generally, you don't even need "probable cause" to get access to things, which law enforcement would need to get a warrant. Plus you could potentially scare the other parties into a quick settlement and therefore a quick win. Sometimes you need to strike while the iron is hot.
What to do? Hire a private investigator?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:52 PM   #9160
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Wouldn't the damages be the actual damages, eg the actual losses incurred over x number of sessions? I mean if courts calculated ev for all civil cases, civil cases would require accounting measures and countermeasures that could cost much of any change in the amount of settlement.

Also what do you think of the plantiff's representing Veronica, against whom there is a colorable claim by some plantiffs (if she invited them to the game, representing Stones, whether or not she suspected cheating). Is this a conflict of interest?
1. We've had extensive discussion of damages in this thread. The purist answer is that the damages equal the difference in amount between what each player lost and what they would have lost (or won) had Postle played his hands normally.

But because that isn't knowable, the most likely award that will occur is to payback the amount Postle won as an estimate of damages.

2. I hope all members of that lawsuit received advice from independent counsel. There's actually all sorts of potential conflicts. (To be clear, I have heard nothing that indicates that Veronica did anything that would expose her to liability. But that's certainly an issue independent counsel would explore before advising a client to sign on to the suit.)
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:48 PM   #9161
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I agree that it could have been done better. getting the phone at the time of cheating for instance. These types of crimes have to be busted INFLAGRANTI.

It would have been much better and all the evidence might be destoyed now.
But nobody is perfect and this would have may be been not achievable at the time.

But all I am saying is this could have been handled better. She could have contacted the Gaming Comssion descreetly or the police. They would have frisked the guy and we would have a much better stance.

But better than nothing at least.
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and you all hyping veronice brill, yes she did a great job without her may be there would be nothing now. and the cheating continues...

but, they should have strip searched him on the spot.
these are pretty dumb posts that demonstrate you haven't really considered the position veronica was in.

she had no hard evidence, based only on her intuition that something was wrong she had gone to the poker room boss with her concerns, and she'd had that shoved back at her. the police wouldn't have done anything at all without some kind of evidence. i think the same is almost certainly true of the gaming commission. what would she have said to them? "he wins a lot and i'm sure he is cheating...but yeah my poker room boss told me there's been an investigation and nothing is wrong" case closed.

but despite all this she still had the stones (pun intended) to back her instincts that something was wrong and pursue this further, and in so doing has caused the exposure of mountains of additional evidence. very impressive as many wiser people have acknowledged.

"they should have strip searched him on the spot". who should have? what spot? this makes no sense. you saying veronica should have just strip searched him one day when she got suspicious? was there a live stream going on right when she went public with this? or was postle at that time in some other random "spot" rubbing money on his titties - did anyone know where he was, how could he be strip searched?
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:58 PM   #9162
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Congrats sir, you made the dumbest post in this entire thread
lol, to be fair i was drinking but i still want to know how to block thread.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:01 PM   #9163
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I agree that it could have been done better. getting the phone at the time of cheating for instance. These types of crimes have to be busted INFLAGRANTI.

It would have been much better and all the evidence might be destoyed now.
But nobody is perfect and this would have may be been not achievable at the time.

But all I am saying is this could have been handled better. She could have contacted the Gaming Comssion descreetly or the police. They would have frisked the guy and we would have a much better stance.

But better than nothing at least.


You literally have no idea what you’re talking about wanker just take it easy
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:25 PM   #9164
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It might be worth considering to settle with Stones without a lawyer. Lawyers fees for both sides and other expenses related to the suit will probably be half the total cost to Stones. It isn't like you can get damages for pain and suffering. Do the plaintiffs' lawyers get a 1/3 contingency fee? I also might be concerned about a lawsuit with so many parties against a fairly powerful defendant. I am not a lawyer nor an expert on this sort of thing though.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:40 PM   #9165
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You literally have no idea what you’re talking about wanker just take it easy
YOU take it easy wanker!
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:41 PM   #9166
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I’ll accept that
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:43 PM   #9167
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It would have been possible.
You don't have to tweet. You can just observe and bust him when you have something later. He would have continued...

Now you have just a bunch of nothing. (No hard evidence)
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:46 PM   #9168
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I’ll accept that
Me too. Peacepipe ok? Im just ranting here, sorry..
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:51 PM   #9169
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It might be worth considering to settle with Stones without a lawyer. Lawyers fees for both sides and other expenses related to the suit will probably be half the total cost to Stones. It isn't like you can get damages for pain and suffering. Do the plaintiffs' lawyers get a 1/3 contingency fee? I also might be concerned about a lawsuit with so many parties against a fairly powerful defendant. I am not a lawyer nor an expert on this sort of thing though.
I expect that each plaintiff signed an agreement for counsel, Mac Ver Standig to represent them in this matter.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:53 PM   #9170
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1. We've had extensive discussion of damages in this thread. The purist answer is that the damages equal the difference in amount between what each player lost and what they would have lost (or won) had Postle played his hands normally.



2. I hope all members of that lawsuit received advice from independent counsel. There's actually all sorts of potential conflicts. (To be clear, I have heard nothing that indicates that Veronica did anything that would expose her to liability. But that's certainly an issue independent counsel would explore before advising a client to sign on to the suit.)
1. I was more asking what is normal is the legal field. I'm sure potential profits vs. actual losses comes up all the time. Do the courts have a rule for this in Calf?

2. I'm not saying or suggesting she did anything that would expose her to liability on her own, but if Stones faces liability, and she helped organize that game, an argument could be made that she could have had some responsibility to make sure the game was run in a safe secure manner. I agree there are all sorts of potential conflicts, is that normal in a class action?
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:06 PM   #9171
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https://www.pokernews.com/editors/ma...ac-verstandig/

Ahaaa soo this is lawyer for gamblers.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:21 PM   #9172
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I expect that each plaintiff signed an agreement for counsel, Mac Ver Standig to represent them in this matter.
I am sure, but there are many people who lost to Postle who have not joined the lawsuit, and apparently Stones has approached some to settle privately.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:27 PM   #9173
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It would have been possible.
You don't have to tweet. You can just observe and bust him when you have something later. He would have continued...

Now you have just a bunch of nothing. (No hard evidence)
total nonsense. she had been observing for some time, and quite understandably, given the situation, she was not able to progress from suspicion to actual evidence, or in your words she didn't know how to "have something later". So she would have been left watching and doing nothing indefinitely

her tweeting was the action that made it possible for all the evidence to be gathered by the collective skillset of a much wider community.

and you have moved from her "strip searching" him to "busting" him "INFLAGRANTI" ("in flagrante" ) . nice fantasies but this was never going to play out like a scene from a movie when the bad guy gets his just desserts while the rest of the casino stands up and cheers the hero

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Me too. Peacepipe ok? Im just ranting here, sorry..
you are, so why not just take a break
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:35 PM   #9174
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what he does in the interview is called blame shifting (or gaslighting ((playing the victim, trying to get empathy)

either coming from a false reality or he is trying to manipulate. I think this is a narcistic trait.

But am no psyochogist, just read a lot about these kind of behaviours.
Good point. In the interview where he says "It's so easy when you can see the cards," he's doing something classic. Narcissism is infused with wanton lying, and this is another level of it. It's a disdain for truth, where you actually admit/confess what is true in a way that can't be believed. Multiple levels of dishonesty, inherent.

The great Bill Cosby, in his 60's comedy routines, had a thing about drugging women and having sex with them. On the microphone, in front of the audience. Just like this guy.

There's nothing new under the sun, just the honest character of the integrated human being, and the jaded, insincere callous dishonesty of the alienated shell/mask of a human being. And of course some levels in between. When it's pure, it's pure.
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:23 AM   #9175
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Classy
agreed, such a crass and classless screenname he has, JohnAhole
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