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Old 10-20-2019, 01:55 PM   #9101
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVmhkrHe_Q&t=3225s

For those who wanna take a laugh, it's not about Mike this time. 😂😂
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what was so funny about some guy raising top two and getting a fold?
The irony of your username is strong. It's not the poker action, its the guy playing pocket pool standing in the background.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:16 PM   #9102
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTfzycCEPtE
07/01/2019

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=4387

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=4532 But he is also running pretty good

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=6907 Just folds the turn - in a limppot

Alright, just found another interesting hand, this time because
of Justins commentary. Someone finally found his own nuts and shoved on
Mike on the Turn. This table is the worst table of all that i was seeing
so far, no wonder that Mike can own those people anyway.
Back to the hand now. You can see the yellow all in chips flying in - even
Kasey Mills recognizes and even says it, Justin ****ing ignores what she says
and keeps commenting over it (2:08:43). You can listen someone from the background
saying "i don't know" (after Justin asking "what was the river").
And Mike finds the fold, hum, what, are you ****ing kidding me?
What???
Ohhhhh Marbles time. Hum what??? The god found the right fold... Jesus Christ.
Even Kasey didn't say anything more about it, strange.

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=7631

"Mike Postle can read souls and minds"
"Postle you're good"
And of course he is getting it in good.

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=7987

The run good is real too. The laughing when the poor AQ dude is cbetting is also
disgusting. But he knew already AC checked with the TTT before too.

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=8096

Mike getting called bluffing on the river by the donkey.
Oh god, this commentary, oh man...

The commentary through out this whole stream is actually as disgusting as Mike.

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=10227

Bet bet call, yea sure Mike, sure. God, Justin Kelly is so annoying, really.
"HOW", "tell me HOW", "how does this work??" Really Justin? Really????

https://youtu.be/KTfzycCEPtE?t=16556

This stream actually is hillarious, i could copy maybe 10 hands more of that here.
No wrong decisions, not any.
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:39 PM   #9103
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Guys if someone accuses you of cheating, the first thing you do, if you didnt do it, is say I didnt do it. right? Joey did a great Job of analizing the 2h Interview with Mike Matusow.

He did not even once in the 2h say he didnt do it, he couldnt see the cards.
LET me tell you, he DIDNT SAY say "I COULD NOT SEE THE CARDS, I DIDNT CHEAT"

The whole interview stinks to the sky, LET ME TELL YOU!
He talks over 2h HOW GREAT he is and all these UB STORIES and stuff,

In case there is no Smokig Gun, LET ME TELL YOU, if there are any psychology MAJORS here. I think this might be as good as a CONFESSION.

If someone here with a psychology major or may be even a psychologist could analize this **** I think it would help. THE VOICE IS TO MONOTONE! HE IS NOT PISSED OFF THAT SOMEONE IS ACCUSING HIM OF CHEATING! AND THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HE IS A CHEATER! WTF? IF SOMEONE IS ACCUSING YOU OF CHEATING YOU REACT THAT WAY? WTTFFF LEMME TELL YOU WTTTFFFF??!?

WE NEED A PSYCHOLOGIST! something is superoff with that interview, and I ve seen enough colombo and CSI, a PROFILER will tell you that, for shizzle

and Veronica Brills is the man...
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:44 PM   #9104
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Guys if someone accuses you of cheating, the first thing you do, if you didnt do it, is say I didnt do it. right? Joey did a great Job of analizing the 2h Interview with Mike Matusow.

He did not even once in the 2h say he didnt do it, he couldnt see the cards.
LET me tell you, he DIDNT SAY say "I COULD NOT SEE THE CARDS, I DIDNT CHEAT"

The whole interview stinks to the sky, LET ME TELL YOU!
He talks over 2h HOW GREAT he is and all these UB STORIES and stuff,

In case there is no Smokig Gun, LET ME TELL YOU, if there are any psychology MAJORS here. I think this might be as good as a CONFESSION.

If someone here with a psychology major or may be even a psychologist could analize this **** I think it would help. THE VOICE IS TO MONOTONE! HE IS NOT PISSED OFF THAT SOMEONE IS ACCUSING HIM OF CHEATING! AND THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HE IS A CHEATER! WTF? IF SOMEONE IS ACCUSING YOU OF CHEATING YOU REACT THAT WAY? WTTFFF LEMME TELL YOU WTTTFFFF??!?

WE NEED A PSYCHOLOGIST! something is superoff with that interview, and I ve seen enough colombo and CSI A PROFILER WILL tell you that, for shizzle

and Veronica Brills is the man...
Not to mention he thanks Joey for all the work hes done. Sounds like something an innocent man would say, right? Thank the guy who ruined your reputation LOL Mike is such an idiot.
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Old 10-20-2019, 07:52 PM   #9105
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Not to mention he thanks Joey for all the work hes done. Sounds like something an innocent man would say, right? Thank the guy who ruined your reputation LOL Mike is such an idiot.
yes, i think he ****ed up with that interview BIG TIME how can someone react that way? HE HAS TO DO SOME EXPLAINING! thanking the accusers? WTF? apreciating the work? distorting the listener and telling a story he is the best player... jajajaaaa!! the more I think about it.... the worse it gets. we might need a an expert in voice/psychology/confessions/ human behaviour.

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Old 10-20-2019, 08:15 PM   #9106
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Not to mention he thanks Joey for all the work hes done. Sounds like something an innocent man would say, right? Thank the guy who ruined your reputation LOL Mike is such an idiot.
an innocent man would respond to the accusations. not spin a story for 2 hours how great he is..bla bla. and def NOT IN A DEFENSIVE MONOTONE voice right? I would certainly not sound like I have to explain myself.

Mike was naive and stoned. When I listened to the interview I believed it too. Only in restrospect it doesnt make any sense to me. thanks to Joey analizing the Int. He is right, none of this "Talk" makes sense. It is offbeat and unbelievable. when they bring someone in a confession/INTERROGATION room they judge by the reactions to certain questions or topics and have a psycholgist look at it: these reactions are B U LL ****!!

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Old 10-20-2019, 08:59 PM   #9107
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interesting to see the Polk tweet about this today.
not to be paranoid. but what if more sophisticated people would scam on a lifestream or anywhere?

looks like this was done blatantly and with blasphemy.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:59 PM   #9108
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:02 PM   #9109
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

He may have not denied cheating because his plan may not be to deny it at all. It may be undeniable in discovery. There seems to be nontrivial defense strategies that don't require Mike to deny cheating.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:05 PM   #9110
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Why does it matter if he denies or not? He has the ability to cheat players out of hundreds of thousands of dollars but his weak spot is directly asking him "Did you cheat?" Or maybe he's like the Mustafa character from Austin Powers and you have to ask him 3 times for him to tell the truth.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:22 PM   #9111
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Why does it matter if he denies or not? He has the ability to cheat players out of hundreds of thousands of dollars but his weak spot is directly asking him "Did you cheat?" Or maybe he's like the Mustafa character from Austin Powers and you have to ask him 3 times for him to tell the truth.
Under pressure in court they should ask him, yelling at him "did u do it?!" see his response. Id play the lawyer. But this interview and all the odd behaviour might be enough evidence in itself. (also from those involved) and the UB story is bs too. so everything is a lie.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:24 PM   #9112
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Odd that sort of respected site would post article saying other people are cheating in televised poker. Does author know something or not? Also Polk tweet. I guess people don't want to name names without evidence, but wonder how much is known or suspected.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:03 AM   #9113
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He may have not denied cheating because his plan may not be to deny it at all. It may be undeniable in discovery. There seems to be nontrivial defense strategies that don't require Mike to deny cheating.
Giving an interview was a bad idea because he might be prosecuted criminally. Generally, the smart strategy for a criminal defendant or prospective criminal defendant is to say nothing, because anything you say can lock you into a defense. He probably wasn't getting legal advice at the time he gave the interview to Matusow. Once he started getting it, he shut up.

I doubt the civil case ever goes to trial, but if it were to, while there is definitely a defense strategy that focuses on poking holes in any damages theory, it's really unlikely to succeed.

The smartest defense strategy would probably be to arrange some sort of plea bargain or nonprosecution agreement, and then try to settle the civil suit with an agreement to assist the plaintiffs in going after the deep pocket Stones.
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Old 10-21-2019, 05:51 AM   #9114
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Rp...outu.be&t=7938
05/12/2018

The commentary on this hand is so LUL
And the snap fold.
"Even if he does get a kind of cooler card he folds"

https://youtu.be/p7RpztfsL04?t=7938

Check call by Mike, nice hand mate, this time the delayed bluff didn't work out, cause
villain hit the straight on turn. Commentary "he can see the friggin cards".

https://youtu.be/p7RpztfsL04?t=11638

No rebuys for Mike during this session here.
https://youtu.be/p7RpztfsL04?t=16094

This is one of those sessions that it's hard to tell by how hands played out that he was cheating. But it's also the "perfect" play through out the whole session.
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Old 10-21-2019, 05:52 AM   #9115
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A2o - even if you are superusing, with AK and TT out it seems wise to fold A2o. now on turn when he makes it 5k, why doesn't he just jam and end the hand. If opponent goes over the top with 97 then he has to call (or lose); if 97 calls then that player has 10 outs.

KK hand - protected pot

QJ hand - obviously stupid but he could also feel that she has a sizing tell. This is one of the most suspect hands though

54o hand - he calls a raise on the button, and it comes KK5, both players check (JT, A9) and he decides to check ???? imo if he was superusing, he should just want to end the hand with this many overs. If for example he checks and it comes like J, he may raise and still lose the hand. now on river, if he's superusing he should bet something that wants to be called, like 600 or whatever.

A9 hand he has a read that a dude donking into preflop 3better has nothing


IMO after looking at the hands, looks like he's not superusing. Now could he just have some sort of buzzing device that indicates when his opponent has the worst hand or not? That makes sense for a few hands I mentioned but not all. So its possible but I would probably lean no. I would like to see more hands though, preferably losing ones.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:55 AM   #9116
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This is what playing street poker and running like god looks like. Nobody would care or dare to accuse if this was garret instead of mike. Kinda reminds me of brad booth too. Maybe you should shut up and be thankful this guy is driving the action for all the generic nit pros to profit off of. It seems the average no limit nit cant even do that these days...
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If this was Garrett instead of mike Joey would be worshiping his sweaty nuts and getting him on the pod ASAP (wait he’s already done that). Nit pros are mad at a lag action player because he’s running hot at the moment.

Breaking down his game publicly and accusing him of seeing hole cards in a live game is 1. Unprofessional and 2. Ruining the much needed and missed action no limit has been missing for years and years.

This is why games have gone to ****. This is why no limit is basically dead. This is why most action poker players avoid casinos and play in private games instead.
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How many hours of footage do we have on mike vs garret? And how many total hands is that? Sample sizes are incredibly small and fortunately for mike it’s been great so far.

The nits and colluding pros ran off most of the action players in no limit, and for that I haven’t played a single hand of no limit in 2+ years. If the average poker game had at least 1 mike in them, the no limit boom would still be going strong.
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The action and positions are different. You cannot directly compare them together (and I hope whoever investigates realizes this.). Seems he understands ranges and his opponents love polarizing in spots where they never have it. Combine the live reads/ aspect it’s almost free money. Games at the stone look amazing.

Don’t bluff in spots where you have air 90% of the time against someone who knows what ranges and polarizing is and is clearly not intimidated by the money being played for

The most suspect hand is 45 vs ak ak
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If you win a bunch of money over a short amount of time in a small venue (like stones) people will accuse you of cheating or worse like physically threaten you/ try to follow you home/ run you out of game etc. He’s won too much money, too fast and now the pitch forks and conspiracy theorists have started the witch hunt
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NL games are fragile and if I was a reg at stones I would be pissed that a bunch of guys are scaring an action player off before the inevitable implosion that is waiting. Watching 15 hours of video and making wild speculations that is sure to ruin someone’s action is OOL. If there was undeniable proof that he is cheating then sure fire away. But all I see is a couple dozen hands of donk on donk aggression that doesn’t deserve nvg exposure.

I think we can all agree on one thing tho, cocaine and adderall is one helluva drug ain’t it

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I have played with him at Stones in non-streamed games. I remember one hand where he paid me off when I went all in on nut flush and he paid me off with second nut flush.

Also the reader gets hands wrong alot. I just saw a reader error on the stream from this past Sunday where all of the hands were incorrectly listed.

I think most players undervalue live reads and I think that significantly bolsters his results.

I think these allegations are bogus and should not be raised in a public forum without strong evidence, which you don't have. All you have is innuendo and speculation.

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I have known Mike for many many years (14+), He is always a class act and proud to call him my friend. Mike is also a very good player, both live and online. He was ranked top 10 on Pocket Fives, He has won tons of Aruba packages online and was very successful for many years playing cash and tourneys.

The reason he and most pros win is because they are doing something different from the norm.

When a guy bets into a 665 board it's called a "donk lead" and that is almost never a real hand, if he would of flopped a big hand he would always check it.
To fold KK is pretty easy playing 5-5 no limit and its 1800 to you, I doubt someone is doing that with QQ and if he is there are better spots.

I really don't want to go over every hand and explain to many of you why pros do certain things. Mike didn't play flawless, He is a very good player that sometimes goes for value when I would not. I would of probably of checked the river on the KK5 flop and hope I was against JT or a flush draw, He went for value and got it!

To accuse someone with cheating with no real proof is beyond terrible IMO. When playing on TV or a live stream you should be more active or entertaining or you probably won't be invited back and it's really great for your image to be active or bluffing because that will get you really light calls later on.

I want to say it again because it's super important.
TO ACCUSE SOMEONE OF CHEATING WITHOUT PROOF IS BEYOND TERRIBLE!

Mike's friend, Shawn Rice aka Westtexasman for many years online
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:28 AM   #9117
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGaEtUyyUBE
28/11/2018

He just never calls in this spots, really never. Only when he is actually good.
And he also always folds when he is not good.

https://youtu.be/iGaEtUyyUBE?t=14444

Any ideas on that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGaE...utu.be&t=11565
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:48 AM   #9118
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It really disturbs me to see how quickly people are to judge and form a mob attacking someone with no proof of anything. Mike and I play a similar style of super tight/super loose at the right times. Its not something you can get away with online but in live poker that type of exploitation is possible. Especially when playing the same opponents for years and years who don’t mix it up. The other night I folded QQ and KK without seeing a flop, one to a single 3 bet, and was right both times. Now if that were on stream, i would be accused of cheating as well... I’m sure of it. Other times I have called off my entire stack with 35 knowing my equity is at least break even vs my opponents ranges (like he did in that 45 vs AK vs AK hand). No cheating whatsoever though. It’s just knowing your highly unbalanced opponents and exploiting them. Mike is a beast and I totally understand his thought process on every hand I’ve seen him play. Are some of his plays insane and extremely high variance?? YES.
I don’t know him well but I played with him in tournaments at thunder valley and he crushed there too. We were neck and neck for player of the series both winning a couple tourneys and ended up playing heads up in the 4th bracket of the heads up tourney where I won.
Why didn’t he cheat me if he cheated everyone else???
How did he crush it so hard at thunder without his stones “teammates” helping him cheat?
Was durrr cheating too back in the day just because he made soul reads and unorthodox plays?
All you people throwing out accusations need to check yourselves and maybe try to learn something from the guy instead of coming up with just ANOTHER excuse to why you lose money at this game. ����*♂️
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Do any of those guys even know mike? Do you even know Joey??? Joey Ingram is terrible and can’t beat 2/5NL live. I know him and have played with home many times. Do haralabos and seiver know how hard mike crushed online. Do they know he used to beast some of the best heads up players at the time including durrr? Or are they just giving their opinions based on a few hands shown? You can look up his stats. How is it possible that he cheats in live poker and online on every site and in every casino? Seems too hard to pull off everywhere in every format right?? Postle is playing against some of the weakest players I’ve ever seen on a regular basis and people want to question why he crushes?? Even the high stakes games there have 1/3 caliber line ups.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:21 AM   #9119
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Why isn't durrr confirming this story?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:40 AM   #9120
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I'd like to debunk all of his claims asking Helmuth and Tom Dwan and maybe other players (tambuline) what really happened at UB

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Old 10-21-2019, 09:10 AM   #9121
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I went through another stream on twitch... <SNIP>
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:16 AM   #9122
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Thanks for your work on this and other streams in the past couple of days. I've altered the spreadsheet to reflect a couple more confirmed Godmode sessions.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:31 AM   #9123
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This is a 30 Million dollar law suit
Lawyers have commented and posted here that there is no way they will get anywhere near that. It is easy to sue for a big amount to make headlines and for negotiating leverage.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:44 AM   #9124
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You can get awarded less than you ask but you can't get awarded more. It's why every lawsuit highballs the damages.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:44 AM   #9125
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Is that really the point?
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