when you are talking about a 30 million dollar lawsuit...why would the lawyers not spend some money and get people to do this? These stats are very useful to have and to make a compelling argument which will be hard for the defense to refute.

matt berkey also mentioned really wanting to see his river stats, i.e. his stats on the river will probably in no way resemble regular human play and indicate an ability to see the cards.

dont get me wrong - its a lot of work to do this...I dont know how many hours of footage in total.... but its certainly worth doing and once its done the data can be uploaded and analyzed and pretty graphs can be made showing why its impossible, which is a helluva lotta better than ..... "your honor its just so sick how can he re-raise here again"

Really?

I heard Brill is looking at Malibu properties.

He rarely intentionally pays off. The vast, vast majority of the times, in God mode, he finds hero folds.

Very seldom, he will intentionally pay off in a situation where a hero fold will look ridiculous, such as the 88 full house that he x/calls. But his more standard play with a strong 2nd best hand is to place a small blocking river bet, so he can then make a hero fold to a big re-raise.

i think you are the first person to mention madof. that is exactly who i was thinking of when i heard about this and watched some of the streams. the way mp laughs when he jams a victim reminds me of bernie banging his friends for more money for his scheme. and most of these folks mp knew just like bernie. but i just cant get it ou of my head that at least 1 other player had to be in on it. they all could not be that dense as to not watch the streams after they played over and over again and maybe figured it out. i mean veronica finally blew up in sept. but says she complained in march and still played on and on. i dont think it is her but something does not smell right about the folks in that game.

Analyzing the streams for HH data is what's referred to as an "embarrassingly parallel" problem. Meaning that each one is completely independent of the others and requires no communication. So it would be pretty easy to divide the workload between a team of people.

If a HH format, or spreadsheet format that can be automatically converted, was decided on it would just be an issue of assigning/claiming streams and spending a few hours each. If we had two people review each stream there'd be a check for errors too. This is the kind of thing I would have been all over doing a few years ago when I had more free time.

It's hard to say in this case since we do not know the exact suits of the 78, and the previous hand started showing mid hand. For scenario #4 to take place, he or someone else would have had to have 88 and accidentally flashed it over the reader after the operator hit the next hand button. I guess it is a possibility that someone could have thrown a single 8 over his reader and it picked it up, but we cannot verify bc the last hand started mid-way.

Yes, there should be logs. I believe someone posted that all data is backed up in a database by PokerGFX.

interesting to see the Polk tweet about this today.

Yeah. Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/DougPolkPoker/st...57213360607232

There may be someone cheating RFID games intelligently who probably hates Mike Postle more than anyone right now.

Using info like Postal had "intelligently" one would only win 1 or 2 moves a night rather than what Postal did which was flat out kid in a candy store greedy... It could be going on in other streams for sure, but done with a bit more class.

Cheating with technology could go further than just RFID. In another thread someone mentioned that shuffle machines have the ability to set a deck to a precise sequence. For example, you could use shuffle machines during a Bridge tournament and have the machine at one table shuffle the cards and then the linked shuffle machines at every other table could sort the cards in that exact order so that every table in the Bridge tournament was playing the same sequence of cards. If shuffle card machines can be linked like that, imagine if you had the "master" shuffle machine or some software pretending to be the "master" shuffle machine that told the shuffle machine at the live stream table to order the cards so that your partner at the table won pots every now and then in a normalish way that didn't seem alarming (or just hit a bad beat jackpot).

And how exactly does it manage that after the dealer cuts the cards in front of everyone before dealing? Any poker rooms that don't do that, should do that. But the idea that the shuffle machine is setting the deck is crazy.

I play in several California casinos where they have stopped cutting the deck.

i can't find it now, especially with all the new poker cheating stuff but pretty sure it was done by someone at 2p2 where they wrote an algo to detect and actually found there are indeed some sequencing of cards that under certain conditions will always deal the winning the hand to a specific seat regardless of where the deck is cut

not saying it's easy but it's been proven that the possibility exists

IIRC those machines don't actually shuffle either, they use an rng to determine a shuffle and then put the cards in that order - which begs the question why do it that way? Maybe there's a hardware or software reason behind it, but it's certainly an exploit, especially if it's true that someone mentioned earlier they can all connect via wifi.

I know for a fact they can put the cards in any order they want. They use the shufflers to put all the cards in order by suit before they use it again.

It's so it can "shuffle" without replicating the action of a hand shuffle, which would be a difficult thing to accomplish in a fast, compact, reliable machine. It is mechanically easier to grab each card and place it in the new stack in a random order.

Even if there is an arrangement of cards that works out to dealing the winning hand to a specific seat no matter how it's cut (if that exists, I'm assuming it means when the board is fully dealt), what happens when someone sits out a hand and there are only 8 seats instead of 9 or whatever the deck was set for?

I dont believe he is innocent.but if a court of law were to find him not guilty (which is a strong posibility) anyone who accused him of cheating,could be facing some hefty lawsuits against them.

The likelihood of that happening is almost as remote as the chance that he's not cheating.

Also, not guilty and innocent are different things.

1. He is not on trial in a criminal matter,

2. Even if he were adjudicated (found) not guilty in a criminal proceeding, he could still be sued civilly for his actions.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...612-story.html(Goldman civil proceeding v. OJ)

There is a lot of space between, "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "by a preponderance of the evidence".

Yeah, someone who already is a solid winner/crusher who only uses this in 1 or 2 big pots a night rather than vpiping 60% and trying to win every pot will become a really big winner without seeming too suspicious.

OJ is going to sue everyone who said he was a murderer any day now!

So this is why I read your screen name as thermo donk

And I have said this since this whole cheating story broke. That if it was done at Stones so easily for so long it probably has been done in the past. Probably multiple times. Postle was just the first SOB to be caught.