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Old 10-02-2019, 02:53 AM   #876
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:58 AM   #877
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K7 another super obv one

At this point it’s almost gross listening to these announcers laugh at this guy stealing everyone’s money
It is odd the announcers are so sure hes cheating and making big jokes out of it why are they allowing him play on every stream? If they know hes cheating then its not fair to the other players at the table. Casinos ban people so fast if they suspect cheating. Rich calling the all in vs Mike with the A9 is also very suspect. A lot touching the chin moments in these games.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:59 AM   #878
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I wonder if there are any sessions Postle played in where he didn't have hole card info. Seems possible, especially in the earlier sessions. Would be pretty apparent in regards to how he plays hands.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:00 AM   #879
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77 hand loooool
Someone link to the 77 hand!
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:01 AM   #880
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At this point, there is little to no doubt that he's cheating. It's also very apparent how he's doing it. On every hand, after the cards are dealt he stares down at his lap, most likely at his phone where he's getting a message with the hands that are dealt out. Watch him on the hands where he's distracted by a conversation with another player and can't check his phone. He just calls preflop, then pretends that he needs to recheck his cards on the flop, but it's clear that he's looking too far down to actually be looking at his hole cards, he's staring at his lap while he pretends to peek at his cards. It's just so blatant and obvious.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:02 AM   #881
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Someone link to the 77 hand!
its on a joey stream thats like 5 hours long, sorry he hasnt cut the hands up into individuals clips yet. ill make sure to keep watch for when he does and send it to you ASAP
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:03 AM   #882
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https://youtu.be/-AADIsPTsxc?t=14970
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:05 AM   #883
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is it the same "the wolf" that got scammed by Alex Torelli on other live stream?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:08 AM   #884
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At this point, there is little to no doubt that he's cheating. It's also very apparent how he's doing it. On every hand, after the cards are dealt he stares down at his lap, most likely at his phone where he's getting a message with the hands that are dealt out. Watch him on the hands where he's distracted by a conversation with another player and can't check his phone. He just calls preflop, then pretends that he needs to recheck his cards on the flop, but it's clear that he's looking too far down to actually be looking at his hole cards, he's staring at his lap while he pretends to peek at his cards. It's just so blatant and obvious.
all someone has to do is whoever sits next to mike to turn on their phone recorder and put it under the table to see whats in this dudes lap.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:11 AM   #885
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all someone has to do is whoever sits next to mike to turn on their phone recorder and put it under the table to see whats in this dudes lap.
It really is too bad that nobody got suspicious and did something exactly like this. Unfortunately it's too late now. Hopefully someday his phone records will be subpoenaed and we'll see a text message coming in every two minutes the entire time he's playing on the live stream.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:14 AM   #886
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At this point, there is little to no doubt that he's cheating. It's also very apparent how he's doing it. On every hand, after the cards are dealt he stares down at his lap, most likely at his phone where he's getting a message with the hands that are dealt out. Watch him on the hands where he's distracted by a conversation with another player and can't check his phone. He just calls preflop, then pretends that he needs to recheck his cards on the flop, but it's clear that he's looking too far down to actually be looking at his hole cards, he's staring at his lap while he pretends to peek at his cards. It's just so blatant and obvious.
I think the most likely way of cheating here is more simple, him being buzzed by an accomplice who can see the dealt cards to some machine that vibrates in his pocket, so Postle knows if he gets a buzz he is ahead, and if he doesn't get a buzz he is behind. It explains timing, waiting to get a buzz.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:15 AM   #887
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Definite trend with the nuthuggers, brand new accounts or existing accounts with barely any posts. Their pithy defence of the situation is pathetic and laughable. I dare any of them to actually properly critique a hand or two, even post a 15 minute youtube analysis.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:17 AM   #888
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the low "went to showdown" stat is an other indicator he's superusing, it shows on screen after this hand his went to showdown is 20% this session, yesterday i watched a 4hr session on high speed and his wtsd was 13, tho he makes "perfect" decisions when to fold or bluff the river.

these days crushers have a wtsd of around 30 i think. (not playing this many crap hands preflop tho and less multiway pots, but still, 13, 20 are very low for a winning player.)
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:18 AM   #889
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I think the most likely way of cheating here is more simple, him being buzzed by an accomplice who can see the dealt cards to some machine that vibrates in his pocket, so Postle knows if he gets a buzz he is ahead, and if he doesn't get a buzz he is behind. It explains timing, waiting to get a buzz.
that's my thinking, that he is being relayed what action to take rather than what cards 1-x opponents have
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:19 AM   #890
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I think the most likely way of cheating here is more simple, him being buzzed by an accomplice who can see the dealt cards to some machine that vibrates in his pocket, so Postle knows if he gets a buzz he is ahead, and if he doesn't get a buzz he is behind. It explains timing, waiting to get a buzz.
I disagree. He doesn't just know when he's ahead or behind. It's quite apparent that he knows the exact cards of his opponents, even in multi-way pots. Keep watching hands and you'll see spots where he's in 4 and 5 way pots and knows exactly who has what.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:22 AM   #891
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that's my thinking, that he is being relayed what action to take rather than what cards 1-x opponents have
Look at some of the multi-way pots and think about it this way. You can't just know that you're behind in a four-way pot and still make the plays he makes. You don't know how far behind you are, if your opponents will fold to a scare card, if a flush card hits them or you can represent it, etc. etc. He knows all that information all the time.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:23 AM   #892
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Very first hand of PLO is immediately suspect lol
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:26 AM   #893
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Lol and the very next hand he overbet shoves river to fold ak vs ak and by the table talk it is so obvious he knows that the other player has ak. what a ******.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:32 AM   #894
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The incompetence of the casino is staggering. If you suspect this guy is cheating then of course you ban him from the live streams and fire the technical team running it.

And if you never suspected he was cheating, what the hell is going through your mind all day?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:35 AM   #895
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Look at some of the multi-way pots and think about it this way. You can't just know that you're behind in a four-way pot and still make the plays he makes. You don't know how far behind you are, if your opponents will fold to a scare card, if a flush card hits them or you can represent it, etc. etc. He knows all that information all the time.
The reason I suspect he is being told what action to take is because it's less information to convey. Even if you know two opponents have AK, especially when you have one player doubly covered, does he, does the average player know that you're 37-42% against any combination of suits? When you bet flop 4-ways when everyone missed, wouldn't it be easier to convey bet or bet big, rather than A has xx, B has yy and C has zz?

Maybe he does know the cards and maybe he also knows what the odds are on every street to help him play optimally.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:41 AM   #896
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The reason I suspect he is being told what action to take is because it's less information to convey. Even if you know two opponents have AK, especially when you have one player doubly covered, does he, does the average player know that you're 37-42% against any combination of suits? When you bet flop 4-ways when everyone missed, wouldn't it be easier to convey bet or bet big, rather than A has xx, B has yy and C has zz?

Maybe he does know the cards and maybe he also knows what the odds are on every street to help him play optimally.
I think it would be very simple to write a program that converted the RFID data to a table graphic. The hard part is snagging the RFID data, once you have that, getting a graphic built with all the hole cards is very simple, much like the casino does it for the live stream.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:45 AM   #897
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the low "went to showdown" stat is an other indicator he's superusing, it shows on screen after this hand his went to showdown is 20% this session, yesterday i watched a 4hr session on high speed and his wtsd was 13, tho he makes "perfect" decisions when to fold or bluff the river.

these days crushers have a wtsd of around 30 i think. (not playing this many crap hands preflop tho and less multiway pots, but still, 13, 20 are very low for a winning player.)
wow thats crazy. There was player i used to play online. I could not beat him. he would crush me every time and people were telling me hes a super user not to play him. And his wtsd was.... 13 with lp style. He would hero call with J high and be right. And then fold every time I had a value hand. I am starting to wonder if i was playing Mike Hes like neo and is part of the matrix and has it all figured out.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:50 AM   #898
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The reason I suspect he is being told what action to take is because it's less information to convey. Even if you know two opponents have AK, especially when you have one player doubly covered, does he, does the average player know that you're 37-42% against any combination of suits? When you bet flop 4-ways when everyone missed, wouldn't it be easier to convey bet or bet big, rather than A has xx, B has yy and C has zz?

Maybe he does know the cards and maybe he also knows what the odds are on every street to help him play optimally.
if he has his own RFID reader and a means to decrypt the information that is emitted from the RFID's, he could decipher the relative geometric locations of each dealt card in 3-d space relative to the reader based on frequencies/amplitudes of the radio signals, and display this on a simple GUI that looks like a poker table. from there you could set it up to automatically calculate equity against exact holdings.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:52 AM   #899
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Look at some of the multi-way pots and think about it this way. You can't just know that you're behind in a four-way pot and still make the plays he makes. You don't know how far behind you are, if your opponents will fold to a scare card, if a flush card hits them or you can represent it, etc. etc. He knows all that information all the time.
I think his phone was either receiving messages from someone with full holecard info, or it's directly connected to the same computer as the one used for streaming. Note that the equities shown on the stream graphics take account of dead cards, so there are spots where he has a really bad hand in general terms, but his equity is much higher than expected, and other players with "good-looking hands" are often drawing almost dead because of other players' folded cards or blockers. I think he might have access to the (pre-flop) equities of everyone's hands.
e.g. In the 95o hand, he appeared to know the guy with 64s picked up a gutter on the turn - the mic picked him up saying "Oh ****!" - even though the 64s was never tabled. With unknown folded cards, 64s and 95o run quite close in equity, and 95o is absolutely terrible multiway (64s ain't too bad), but there was a six and two fours folded pre, so the screen showed 95o with much more equity than it "should have" had.)
Not that he needs to know the equities, as he's a redline warrior that gets most of EV from ridiculously successful superuser bluffs.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:01 AM   #900
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man i hate to victim blame, even a little, but every single time i see a new hand posted, it's actually insane how the opposition play. i mean in general, but even more especially against the guy KNOWN TO BE either a) a SICKO or b) a cheater/superuser!????

why are they squeezing trash hands oop vs this guy (again, known to be one of either a SICKO or SUPERUSER)? or 3betting 85o!? or just basically bloating pots with crap in general. lol its like his ev as a superuser should be 100bb/100 but they play in a way that makes it 400bb/100. they make it so much easier for him lol.
they just go super nuts, as nuts as him. in some of the hands it really looks like they can both see each others cards but dont know the other can
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