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Old 10-17-2019, 04:57 AM   #8826
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Has there been any update from stones regs about whether the suspected floors/tech people are still around?
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Old 10-17-2019, 05:56 AM   #8827
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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The commentator even reads a pretty apt comment at the end of this hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAD...utu.be&t=12180
Weirdly, the YouTube recording doesn't have the chatbox for that session, but it sounds like AlexSpade (??) might have been the first person to call Postle a superuser, way back in January.

P.S. That session from January 12th, which some are only just seeing, was investigated by Joey Ingram in his Investigation #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMt--bML6o
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:19 AM   #8828
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Weirdly, the YouTube recording doesn't have the chatbox for that session, but it sounds like AlexSpade (??) might have been the first person to call Postle a superuser, way back in January.

P.S. That session from January 12th, which some are only just seeing, was investigated by Joey Ingram in his Investigation #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMt--bML6o
You can see the chat on Twitch.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/363099413?t=03h23m00s

Twitch chat: "alecspade: postle is a superuser, he has to look like he's pained so that its not obvious that he can see all the cards"
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Old 10-17-2019, 06:35 AM   #8829
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Weirdly, the YouTube recording doesn't have the chatbox for that session, but it sounds like AlexSpade (??) might have been the first person to call Postle a superuser, way back in January.

P.S. That session from January 12th, which some are only just seeing, was investigated by Joey Ingram in his Investigation #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMt--bML6o
Since stones was unable to live stream on youtube for about 3 months they used twitch. Thus there is no live chat for that period of time on youtube. You can view the live chat replay on the twitch platform for this and all sessions. Just to note Taylor the graphics guy used twitch alot and for awhile stones used primarily twitch.

When stones first started they could only broadcast to Twitch because there was no such thing as youtube live streaming. That changed over the years so stones used Twitch and youtube. All the archived videos are on both platforms, but the live chat replays are obviously different to each platform.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:04 AM   #8830
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That hero call by his opponent on the last hand is so much more understandable if he suspects Postle knows his hand and that Postle therefore presumes he can force a fold in this situation by overbetting. This kind of call is the way to exploit CTO. As someone observed earlier, against godmode you should fold second nuts when Postle makes a small value bet but call when he bombs the river.
Mark Goon and David Tuchman discussed this a bit in the Under The Gun podcast. If players had known exactly how Postle was cheating, they could beat him very easily for a ton of money.

Also, Mark mentions how many players suspected Postle was cheating but couldn't figure out how for months. Even while playing against him, Mark never really noticed how much he looked at his phone.

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it makes me suspicious of all live streamed games. a recent garret hand in particular is just one of those things that stands out where he folded T7 on a J8923 rainbow board to a river bet in a big pot.
I don't think Garrett Adelstein is cheating on Live at the Bike, but as he seems to be considered the best player there AFAIK. Has anyone calculated calculated Garrett's win rates over multiple sessions and compared them to Mike Postle's?
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:28 AM   #8831
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Mark Goon and David Tuchman discussed this a bit in the Under The Gun podcast. If players had known exactly how Postle was cheating, they could beat him very easily for a ton of money.
yeah... guy is dumb as a rock, but you can't bluffcatch him 100 times in a row just because he bets big without him noticing.

anyone who thinks you can have a positive winrate in a long run vs someone who can see your cards is just clueless.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:56 AM   #8832
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Mark Goon and David Tuchman discussed this a bit in the Under The Gun podcast. If players had known exactly how Postle was cheating, they could beat him very easily for a ton of money.

Also, Mark mentions how many players suspected Postle was cheating but couldn't figure out how for months. Even while playing against him, Mark never really noticed how much he looked at his phone.



I don't think Garrett Adelstein is cheating on Live at the Bike, but as he seems to be considered the best player there AFAIK. Has anyone calculated calculated Garrett's win rates over multiple sessions and compared them to Mike Postle's?
https://youtu.be/mqYgqdN5-HU

You could investigate this matter. Here is a link to start with. Even the left Hand is mainly under the table.

[spoiler]I am not serious about Garrett[/spoiler]

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Old 10-17-2019, 08:31 AM   #8833
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LOL, no, that's ridiculous. In no way are organizers who are suspicious of cheating as bad as someone who is actually cheating and making money off it.

I don't disagree that if they were suspicious that they need to be held accountable, and I'm not trying to be nitty, but the fact that they aren't equivalent is why they aren't getting the same level of scrutiny. People are holding the organizers accountable - I don't know how many hundreds/thousands of posts we're up to now that are taking Stones and commentators to task. But of course Postle is going to get most of the hate. And also the fact that no one's sure exactly who knew/did what, outside of Postle, makes it harder to hammer anyone in particular.


There was a fair bit of discussion of this a few days ago; you could try using the "Search this Thread" box up at the top right, and entering "John Doe".

They told everyone Postle is the best. I 've seen all the streams. Boski said they "warned" everyone of Postle the crusher.

Nobody incl. Boski has ever heard of him, and he is a pro of 15y. So this was fishy from the start.

They are accountable, they have to offer a "kosher game" and failed to deliver. Even though any idiot could have seen that there was something going on.

Sue em All!!

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Old 10-17-2019, 08:38 AM   #8834
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Pottripper was busted just because of the hh before they had any ip addresses and tech forensics. You could just tell they were cheating by looking at the lines he played. Which were impossible without knowing the hole cards. So all that's missing is the fbi looking at the f forensics.

Make some pressure and call them! I'm not in the states so I can't . But you should do it u guys in the us. Don't sit in your asses pick up the phone and make some calls to authorities the more the better.
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:46 AM   #8835
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

The funny thing is if Joey hadn't made those videos, it would have been undetected!

So Joey has brought the cheating scam down single handedly. If he stops making videos this thing will just fade off. So we have to help him for our game integrity!

This is our game and we don't want cheating!
Let's do something! And Joey sorry I didn't believe it from.the start. You stay awesome my man!
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:46 AM   #8836
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Duplicate, sorry

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Old 10-17-2019, 08:52 AM   #8837
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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RFID "malfunctions" can't show random or arbitrary cards.
Whatever the reasons are for the malfunctions, it lends credence to Postle's argument that there was a malfunction on some of his hands that looked fishy. It could have happened in one of the ways you mentioned, even if not random or arbitrary. I'm mentioning this so when he claims that it was a card reading error, people can point out that the "error" doesn't match one of the possible ways it can malfunction. It seems that they have just been saying it couldn't be a malfunction at all.

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1. persistence error: A card fails to scan, so the graphics display the previous card that was scanned. When someone's hole cards are wrong it's pretty much always showing a card from their last hand.
When it happened before, it was someone else's hand from the position they were in (like cutoff or whatever it was), not themselves or another person in that seat. Just noting this so it could be pointed out that neither Postle nor the person in the same position in the prior hand had a card that ended up being displayed in the current hand. I don't know if anyone has checked that for hands that he said were incorrectly displayed.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:05 AM   #8838
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Whatever the reasons are for the malfunctions, it lends credence to Postle's argument that there was a malfunction on some of his hands that looked fishy. It could have happened in one of the ways you mentioned, even if not random or arbitrary. I'm mentioning this so when he claims that it was a card reading error, people can point out that the "error" doesn't match one of the possible ways it can malfunction. It seems that they have just been saying it couldn't be a malfunction at all.


When it happened before, it was someone else's hand from the position they were in (like cutoff or whatever it was), not themselves or another person in that seat. Just noting this so it could be pointed out that neither Postle nor the person in the same position in the prior hand had a card that ended up being displayed in the current hand. I don't know if anyone has checked that for hands that he said were incorrectly displayed.
The 96 changing to 98 of spades in real time on the river was likely done because someone told the graphics guy / the graphics guy himself changed it in real time. This has been proven to be the case from Berkey, Feldman (the production lead at latb), and by the creator of the graphics software (poker gfx) himself. That hand is explained by all 3 of those people in length on various podcasts.

Those podcasts include Tuchman’s “under the gun” show in which he has the actual creator of poker gfx on the show and they spend 10 minutes talking about how it was possible the hand changed in real time from 96 to 98 of spades. If you havent seen what they have to say, you would just be speculating unreasonably, and imo thats what your doing. Your jumping to conclusions. Focus on the 96 changing to 98 of spades and understand what those people have to say!
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:08 AM   #8839
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Pottripper was busted just because of the hh before they had any ip addresses and tech forensics. You could just tell they were cheating by looking at the lines he played. Which were impossible without knowing the hole cards. So all that's missing is the fbi looking at the f forensics.

Make some pressure and call them! I'm not in the states so I can't . But you should do it u guys in the us. Don't sit in your asses pick up the phone and make some calls to authorities the more the better.
they don't have phones where youre from?
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:16 AM   #8840
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they don't have phones where youre from?
If I called the fbi from Germany they will tell me to f.off!
Or at least they will be like wtf you're calling from Germany you habe no business talking to us. We are the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. do u know what FEDERAL stands for? I could call Interpol but they will also tell me to f. off. This is a federal or US- issue legal-wise.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:20 AM   #8841
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oJvMSNQnU
19/01/2019

I kept looking for the keys again now and i got this:

https://youtu.be/93oJvMSNQnU?t=2972

But while seeing that Mike was changing the keys from right side to left, when Justin was making a scene change (check the little camera in the upper right corner), there came up another question.

How can he even change the actual stream from the booth?

https://youtu.be/93oJvMSNQnU?t=6128

Justin leaving booth.

https://youtu.be/93oJvMSNQnU?t=6152

Staff talking to Mike at the table, who wasn't godmoding yet this session, soon Justin will be there at the table too.
Mike was busy texting on his phone too before.

https://youtu.be/93oJvMSNQnU?t=8018

With the delay Justin appears then 30 minutes later down at the table.

This is from part 1 of 19/01/2019 stream, 15 minutes later the stream seems to be cut and continue after in part 2.

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Old 10-17-2019, 09:56 AM   #8842
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Even if they destroyed their phones which we can assume, and other local stuff --- there's still a lot with computer forensics that can be done on the back end (servers) that would show activity beyond internal stuff. I believe they could also get some form of identifier from that which would correlate with other evidence.

It's really going to come down to the investigation and how in-depth they are and competent when it comes to computer forensics.

I agree with the sentiment we should be thankful for Joey, Doug and Veronica for trying to keep the integrity of the game. Tech is getting better by the day and an example needs to be set so we can prevent this from happening again and keep the integrity of the game where it should be.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:09 AM   #8843
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Interesting op-ed:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-1
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:11 AM   #8844
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ok, for fun then, what cards has Mark tabled here?
Looks like 10 9 diamonds. It's def a 10 and a 9.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:17 AM   #8845
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Looks like 10 9 diamonds. It's def a 10 and a 9.
Agree.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:24 AM   #8846
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cVJRsAktw
19/01/2019 part2

https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=2262

In part 2 i came over this strange all in hand now, also here the cards were not displayed right and the booth already knew it before being tabled as you can hear on the commentary.
Justin "i have no idea what he has".
What, they can hear it?
What the f is going on here again. I don't understand this.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:30 AM   #8847
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It seems like there are a few hand display errors in hands that MP isn’t in. Be interesting to see if each can be explained by the persistence error, or the mucked card error. I do fear this will be a large part of MP’s defense.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:06 AM   #8848
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Guess what cards Mark tabled here:



Anyone else want to take a guess, before I reveal the answer?
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:09 AM   #8849
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cVJRsAktw part2

https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=8750
One more wrong displayed hand, anyway, a strange 3 bet by Mike anyway also.
Card is being changed during the hand also! 82o to 72o. Listen to the commentary again.
So there is a little more delay between the stream they can actually see, to when we get the
live cards to see.

https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=3360
Turn bet from Mike being almost dead

https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=6102
Another turn bet from Mike being dead this time

No godmode on here, should be enough proof. to part 1 i would say the same.

Even on the river then you can actually see that he has to take a decision, which should be
normal for a Poker player. No godlike raises or whatever, just thinking about plain and simple call, like
a normal player would think.

JFK was at the table also. Phone is on the rail sometimes as well, but Mike is texting a lot under the table, keys stay on the rail.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:13 AM   #8850
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https://youtu.be/H_cVJRsAktw?t=10949

WOW, i just found another amazing hand. Mike is getting SNAP CALLED on the river by J high for a 4k pot. Get rekt!!
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