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Old 10-16-2019, 03:32 AM   #8701
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Bammfu any response to the cheating allegations?
JFK @Bammfu See my tweet @JFKPokerTD
RealMenWorshipZeus heard a little about that on Twitter, what're the allegations?
Watbri hey jfk
RealMenWorshipZeus ah ok, thanks jfk
Bammfu Your a standup dude @JFK . I appreciate you not pretending this is out there. Why would veronica believe the results of your investigation?
Bammfu not believe*
JFK @Bammfu I can't speak for Veronica
JFK I am shocked at the whole thing though
Bammfu thats fair..its just curious being shes on the stone team
Bammfu you thinking about maybe taking another look?
Bammfu seems some pretty credible people thinking something mightve been missed
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@Bammfu I am eager to hear from those people and have readily investigated everything called to my attention. I will continue to do so. If the stream is compromised, I want to know.

Bammfu@JFK your the man and i look forward to seeing your popularity explode in the days to come. Your interview is going to be yugggge.

BammfuKeep up the good work ..your going to the example of how to handle cheating allegations on a stream

Matthew RosenthalWhat evidence do you have Bammfu or are you just speculating?

Matthew RosenthalIf you are speculating that is highly inappropriate.
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@Bammfu We made some changes to tighten up security protocols after the accusation. Cell phones were one decisions that we decided to implement. Timing was not odd, it was a result of the complaint
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@Teddy Penderazdoun please email evidence jkuraitis@StonsLivePoker.net
context?

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Old 10-16-2019, 03:33 AM   #8702
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Yeah I thought rallydurham might be one of those posters...if a terrible troll poster like rally or passiveisbetter comes in firing off takes left and right, I'd hope the whole forum doesn't start arguing with him...i feel it really distracts from the legitamite and intelligent discussion we could have by not arguing with someone who seems dense. So I'm probably just adding to the digression and backseat moderating perhaps to boot, but give it some thought. I mean rally seems to be temped and others probably banned, but I'm assuming more trolls will surface.
+1, really hate how we need to remind people not to engage with the newest iteration every couple pages
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:58 AM   #8703
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Hi Yes, I should have added this to the post you are replying to.

It is the viewer text on the last stream Stones did before they stopped streaming, so it is really interesting to see JFK addressing the breaking allegations of Veronica.

I am sure Bammfu was someone who was involved with Stones who had held suspicions of Postle, as the name is like a joke to JFK, ie hitting him Bamm **** you and I wouldnt be surprised if itr wasnt Veronica herself, as it seems to have the same sarcastic cynical disbelief about the investigation reliability that she had when she was watching and saying, "It is weird" when watching Postle play, and about his popularity increasing.

And amusing to again to see JFK asking for any allegations to be sent to him to investigate.

So interesting, this is a watching the ship suddenly start sinking moment, as JFK will have realised people were now openly questioning things, and the cat was out of the bag. No doubt he hoped taking the stream off air would be a good move, until all the fuss died down!
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:03 AM   #8704
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There were also people that idolized Durrr, Good2cu, OmgClayAiken....and others for turning $50 in to literally millions in less than two years.

Or remember how strange the moves Isildur made were?

I 100% agree the moves look absurd. But so have been the moves of so many other players.

He is literally being filmed every hand and still can’t be caught. I particularly like the analysis of when he turns on god mode or plays without it.

All that said, I wouldn’t be interested in playing with him. Either he’s that good, or is cheating. Would just like some tangible proof other than an 8500 hand stretch of results.

The difference with Postle is this.
90% of people ITT could be shown 30 seconds of Stones footage of Postle, without holecard information and tell you whether or not he is going to have a winning or losing session based purely on his physical mannerisms.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:31 AM   #8705
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And amusing to again to see JFK asking for any allegations to be sent to him to investigate.
It's also pretty weird for the guy that supposedly already conducted an investigation and tweeted that Veronica's allegations were false (via Stones twitter) to say 'if the stream is compromised I want to know.'

Huh?
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:59 AM   #8706
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There were also people that idolized Durrr, Good2cu, OmgClayAiken....and others for turning $50 in to literally millions in less than two years.

Or remember how strange the moves Isildur made were?

I 100% agree the moves look absurd. But so have been the moves of so many other players.
those guys were (are) extremely good in range vs range plays.

this Postle dude plays his hole cards vs 2 known hold cards, and lacks actual poker knowledge to be able to cover up he's cheating. that's how he got caught, for being a huge whale in poker theory and common sense.
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:58 AM   #8707
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QTKqglqKjk
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Was someone going through this stream yet?
Mike has his phone "under" the table here a lot, texting, doing **** with it, whatever, the phone screen is visable really a lot here. He is not even trying to hide something down there. But even like that i think it's strange, because he could just do his things also normally on the table as the others as well. I mean, noone doesn't even seem to care about it as well, the dealer is sitting right next to him, he must be seeing this as well. Is such a behaviour even allowed there?

I mean, this is so strange compared to the god moding sessions, when he is obviously hiding this phone deep down in his crotch. You can't even really see the screen.
He also doesn't seem to be godmoding throught this session as well.
Keys were on the rail also, JFK was not there, he was even in YouTube chat sending greets from Australia.

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Old 10-16-2019, 07:19 AM   #8708
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those guys were (are) extremely good in range vs range plays.

this Postle dude plays his hole cards vs 2 known hold cards, and lacks actual poker knowledge to be able to cover up he's cheating. that's how he got caught, for being a huge whale in poker theory and common sense.
Exactly, any 2NL regular these days, or even the lowest stakes MTT reg, would be able to figure out an optimal, or at least serviceable strategy for having a large but plausible winrate so they didn't get caught, if they were in Postle's shoes. It's absolutely insane to me how Postle didn't understand how to exercise even a modicum of caution in regards to his approach.

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Old 10-16-2019, 07:33 AM   #8709
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Exactly, any 2NL regular these days, or even the lowest stakes MTT reg, would be able to figure out an optimal, or at least serviceable strategy for having a large but plausible winrate so they didn't get caught, if they were in Postle's shoes. It's absolutely insane to me how Postle didn't understand how to exercise even a modicum of caution in regards to his approach.
Why do you think Postle thought it was a good idea to go on Matusow's show? Literally nothing good can come from that decision for him, yet he still did it. Why do you think that is?
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:40 AM   #8710
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Why do you think Postle thought it was a good idea to go on Matusow's show? Literally nothing good can come from that decision for him, yet he still did it. Why do you think that is?
He is a stupid man who likes to be the centre of attention, which actually applies equally to Matusow!
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:42 AM   #8711
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It's absolutely insane to me how Postle didn't understand how to exercise even a modicum of caution in regards to his approach.
He had gotten away with it for so long and while there may have been other suspicious players Veronica was the only person that brought it to the attention of the people running the game. The most insane thing to me is that he continued to cheat in front of her post her initial accusations of him cheating on stream. Why not skip a session of cheating here and there when she in the booth analyzing your play as a commentator of the stream? It seems as if that was the straw the broke the camels back in this event. So many dumb and greedy plays but this one is close to the top of the list in my opinion.
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:44 AM   #8712
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It's also pretty weird for the guy that supposedly already conducted an investigation and tweeted that Veronica's allegations were false (via Stones twitter) to say 'if the stream is compromised I want to know.'

Huh?
I also like the way JFK was SO worried about the allegations that he gave a misspelt e mail address for allegations to be sent to him … thereby preventing any concerns from reaching him jkuraitis@StonsLivePoker.net
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:24 AM   #8713
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=164

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9 of spades & 9 of clubs... aanddd... a 9 of spades on the turn?

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Old 10-16-2019, 08:30 AM   #8714
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https://youtu.be/PX5ccjVEapY?t=164

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9 of spades & 9 of clubs... aanddd... a 9 of spades on the turn?

I only see 9 of Diamonds and 9 of Clubs in the hand??
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:34 AM   #8715
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I only see 9 of Diamonds and 9 of Clubs in the hand??
What colour cards do you see on the actual table? The top two images.
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:42 AM   #8716
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What colour cards do you see on the actual table? The top two images.
Red and Black - 9 Diamonds and 9 Clubs.
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:47 AM   #8717
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Red and Black - 9 Diamonds and 9 Clubs.
To me they both look like black suits. But maybe you are right, it seems insane to me that nobody would notice. Perhaps you are right.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:04 AM   #8718
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He had gotten away with it for so long and while there may have been other suspicious players Veronica was the only person that brought it to the attention of the people running the game.
How do you know that? The people running the game were presumably in on it, and probably ignored or dismissed any concerns expressed to them.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:19 AM   #8719
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What if the plaintiff's are also in on it and this is all a long con to rinse the casino?
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:39 AM   #8720
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What if the plaintiff's are also in on it and this is all a long con to rinse the casino?
Then they can make additional money by making a movie as well
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:40 AM   #8721
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>That money was stolen clean and square. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and as soon as mike cashed those chips they became his.

I am dumber for having read this.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:41 AM   #8722
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What if the plaintiff's are also in on it and this is all a long con to rinse the casino?
Keyser Postle?
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:56 AM   #8723
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What if the plaintiff's are also in on it and this is all a long con to rinse the casino?
Damn, you are so right, that Lawyer Mac and Kelly Minkin look so shady to me, let's hope the judge spots they are bad uns, and throws the damned book at them!

After all, it is not as though the accused would point out the plaintiffs are in on it, is it?
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:37 AM   #8724
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What if the plaintiff's are also in on it and this is all a long con to rinse the casino?
I am not sure of your point. The poker room manager apparently was in on it, and was named in the lawsuit.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:52 AM   #8725
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9 of spades & 9 of clubs... aanddd... a 9 of spades on the turn?
You can see at 4:27:50 when the dealer is mucking his cards that it is clearly the 9. The black 9 is never clear that it's the 9, but it looks more like a club than a spade, and there's no reason to think it's not.
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