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Old 10-14-2019, 03:36 PM   #8426
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

It’s more shetchy to have no public archive or scratching selected streams all of a sudden
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:39 PM   #8427
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Ill say this if JFK (justin) was guilty why did he archive every single stream? It was well known he was the leader of the social media team so why keep all the videos for anyone to see across youtube and twitch?

Even Live at the bike doesnt keep there videos for the general public to see after streamed games. Stones kept and still has every game available. If Justin was guilty why ? I think this is a valid defense...
LATB archives all their content and charges a member fee for access. They’re also far more popular then Stones stream.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:40 PM   #8428
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

People have already given several reasons why this alleged cheating went on for as long as it did. I will not repeat them here since it serves no purpose. If anyone is really interested, they can search the thread and/or give it a modicum of thought.

In virtually every crime or scam, one can in hindsight clearly see what the victims could have done differently to mitigate the crime/scam. But that does not excuse, explain, or justify the one who perpetrated the crime/scam.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss, describe, investigate, communicate, etc., the alleged cheating which took place during the Stones Live Stream broadcasts. It is not to blame the victims of the alleged cheating.

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Old 10-14-2019, 03:41 PM   #8429
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I'm really just trying to figure out how the heck JFK kept thinking he could spew all that nonsense on the telecast without anyone catching on....

Like it's one thing to PLAY in the games and not see hesplaying every hand perfectly... but watching the telecasts and SEEING him play every hand perfectly while his monkey boy JFK goes on and on with these outright absurd, over the top takes and gifs... like how could this possibly have gone on for more than a week or two if you were playing in the game.

Why would anyone have kept playing against a guy playing this egregiously?

I've played with some disgustingly good LAGs in my day but they lost hands left and right while chipping up. Playing a laggy style forces you into a lot of super marginal spots where even the best players in the world are forced into "wrong" calls several times a session.

And here's a guy who can't even remember hand details, discuss basic strategy, and genuinely seems aloof and we are just supposed to buy that hes revolutionized the game of 1/3 NL in B.F. Egypt?! While his hype man droneson and on and on about it... this whole thing is just absurd on its face.

The fact they thought they could get away with this forever without a modicum of caution is pretty wild and definitely makes you wonder about how psychotic these two are.

I'd love to hear some of the offsite conversations they must have been having

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Old 10-14-2019, 03:48 PM   #8430
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I mean they went into some rinky dink venue in the farmlands of Cow-afornia and couldn't figure out the livestream on a ONE THREE game that absolutely no one cared about was a ruse to cheat them?
Hmm...you're starting to convince me. They probably built Stones Gambling Hall itself with the grand scheme of eventually setting up Mike Postle to cheat their patrons. The people of greater Sacramento, that cow town of over 2.5 million residents, should have seen this coming.

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Old 10-14-2019, 03:54 PM   #8431
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Ill say this if JFK (justin) was guilty why did he archive every single stream? It was well known he was the leader of the social media team so why keep all the videos for anyone to see across youtube and twitch?

Even Live at the bike doesnt keep there videos for the general public to see after streamed games. Stones kept and still has every game available. If Justin was guilty why ? I think this is a valid defense...
Because hes psychotic and legitimately wanted to get caught. Hes like a serial killer hanging around cop investigations. Classic narcissist. It's not enough to just get away with it. He wants to see how close he can fly to the sun. That's why he turned himself into the star of the telecasts and kept rubbing it in everyone's face.

He reminds me of that toe tapping senator from Minnesota who trolled everyone with his anti LGBT agenda while trying to give bj's at the airport.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:02 PM   #8432
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Check out the river on this hand:

Hand starts at 2:18:00

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:05 PM   #8433
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Ill say this if JFK (justin) was guilty why did he archive every single stream? It was well known he was the leader of the social media team so why keep all the videos for anyone to see across youtube and twitch?

Even Live at the bike doesnt keep there videos for the general public to see after streamed games. Stones kept and still has every game available. If Justin was guilty why ? I think this is a valid defense...
because he thought he would never get caught or he's an idiot. probably likely a combination of the two.

it's not like criminals keeping things that incriminate them is a unheard of.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:11 PM   #8434
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So i decided to actually just look at some sessions myself instead of relying solely on others to identify and post suspicious hands. (After watching the gumpnstein video i was sold on his cheating)
I was under the impression that MP was looking at his phone every hand at some point between looking at his cards and the graphics showing up so he could see theirs before making a decision. I watched 3 sessions, July 18th, 30th 2018 and the last one he played in 2019. I just didn't see this behavior consistently. He was insta folding a bunch and then just not looking at his phone at all a bunch.

My question is this: how often was he definitively looking at his lap in a hand, like 10%, 50% etc? Is it everyones assumption that he was looking at his phone every hand, like me or do people believe he was doing it selectively?
Pretty much for his god mode sessions whenever he went to peel his cards he was looking in his lap. So it may appear he is peeling cards when actually he is just looking at his cards on his phone by his crotch. He started peeling closer to the rail because it was less obvious vs peeling with chips infront and further away from rail. You can see the difference pre July 18th 2018 vs sometime closely after July 18th 2018 when he perfected the fake peel look at crotch technique.

Now i will say this, there are many times mike calls raises blind then does his crotch stare on the flop, so that would mean he may not crotch stare preflop for said hand. Etc...

Changing subjects: It hasnt been discussed that much that Mike could have cheated by simply hiding a mini spy camera in the control room that is pointed at the poker gfx computer screen. Possibly...

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:13 PM   #8435
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

There’s always a 1000 positive and 1000 negative arguments one can make. And wrong arguments can sound the most persuasive. In reality, in terms of creating content, everything and nothing can be true at the same moment. Just because a perspective or possibility exists, and someone vocalizes it, doesn’t make it true.

Your only barometer in these situations are to be engaging, informative and entertaining. Joe Rogan has mimicked masturbation acts, advertised fleshlights, said banned words and acted like a silly teenage stoner — but he’s still the best interviewer in media and is now, world renowned.

Please Joey, don’t stop streaming. And don’t concern yourself with random people pointing out a theoretical possibility. You’re not doing anything wrong, you’re helping people and helping to sustain the poker community.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:21 PM   #8436
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Ill say this if JFK (justin) was guilty why did he archive every single stream? It was well known he was the leader of the social media team so why keep all the videos for anyone to see across youtube and twitch?

Even Live at the bike doesnt keep there videos for the general public to see after streamed games. Stones kept and still has every game available. If Justin was guilty why ? I think this is a valid defense...
From a business perspective, it makes sense. The main goal of a live stream is to bring in business to the casino, and not to make money off the stream itself and Stone's live was not yet popular enough to put up a paywall like LATB or pokerGO. Just because JFK was put in charge of the stream, doesn't mean he answered to no one. I'm sure he had a budget and a general outline he had to follow for the stream.

I don't think anyone can say he's 100% guilty or innocent. I lean towards guilty bc of the level of incompetence it would require to not notice as the man in charge, and the fact that Veronica believes he could be involved, ever since her post alluding to the correlation between JFK's absence at WSOP and Mikes reduced appearances and win rates on Stone's Live.

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:22 PM   #8437
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You take over the streams. I started to lose my mind a bit at about 15 hours into things. Watching this guy **** people up left and right is demoralizing. I'm not a professional streamer, I've barely have done them over the years outside podcasts.
F the haters, Joey. I think you're doing a great job! Looking forward to more of your investigations.

PS. How can I make a donation to your channel?
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:23 PM   #8438
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From a business perspective, it makes sense. The main goal of a live stream is to bring in business to the casino, and not to make money off the stream itself and Stone's live was not yet popular enough to put up a paywall like LATB or pokerGO. Just because JFK was put in charge of the stream, doesn't mean he answered to no one. I'm sure he had a budget and a general outline he had to follow for the stream.



I don't think anyone can say he's 100% guilty or innocent. I lean towards guilty bc of the level of incompetence it would require to not notice as the man in charge, and the fact that Veronica believes he is guilty, ever since her post alluding to the correlation between JFK's absence at WSOP and Mikes reduced appearances and win rates on Stone's Live.
Honestly I cant see any scenario where he isn't guilty and very few scenarios where he wasnt the "brains" behind it.

At the worst hes the least competent card room manager ever.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:25 PM   #8439
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So i decided to actually just look at some sessions myself instead of relying solely on others to identify and post suspicious hands. (After watching the gumpnstein video i was sold on his cheating)
I was under the impression that MP was looking at his phone every hand at some point between looking at his cards and the graphics showing up so he could see theirs before making a decision. I watched 3 sessions, July 18th, 30th 2018 and the last one he played in 2019. I just didn't see this behavior consistently. He was insta folding a bunch and then just not looking at his phone at all a bunch.

My question is this: how often was he definitively looking at his lap in a hand, like 10%, 50% etc? Is it everyones assumption that he was looking at his phone every hand, like me or do people believe he was doing it selectively?
He absolutely is doing it selectively. I've watched the first 3 sessions and you can see his technique evolving and getting better but even in the 3rd video he looks down sporadically. And it's not always preflop or on the flop he's looking.

A lot of the easy preflop decisions, he just plays. And if he flops a strong hand, he rarely looks - he just plays the hand out.

If he limps after a straddle, he's nearly always looking if the phone's in his lap. Bomb pots where he flops something, he's nearly always looking as well.

Also I believe it's been talked about that there's likely a 15 second delay for the cards to show up on his phone. So if he's in EP, he's just going to have to act without looking. This also would encourage him to limp more, which he often does after the straddle, to encourage multiway action and slow the game down.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:26 PM   #8440
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F the haters, Joey. I think you're doing a great job! Looking forward to more of your investigations.

PS. How can I make a donation to your channel?
I think he just set this up.

https://www.patreon.com/joeyingram
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:40 PM   #8441
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I think he just set this up.



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Old 10-14-2019, 04:46 PM   #8442
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Sick he doesn’t even know what he’s doing and he has 21 patron! Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:48 PM   #8443
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I've been examining the 04-01-19 stream. I've established that after he finishes tapping a text in iMessage he usually presses the upper-left corner of the screen, which for iMessage returns you back to the list of conversations. I've also found instances where he presses the upper-left corner of the screen from the home page esp just before lowering the phone back into his lap. I was able to capture a frame of his home-screen app icons - after enhancing the color/contrast of that frame the upper-left icon on his home-screen appears green. I need some crowd-source help here to help identify all the possible iPhone apps that have a green icon. The first that comes to mind is Whatsapp. Here's the enhanced grab:

Might be worth examining the pre God-mode sessions as his phone is likely in clearer view. Someone mentioned in the spreadsheet he'd leave it on the rail, face up and active in the 6/22/18 session. Whether he had the app then or not, not sure, but worth a look I think
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:57 PM   #8444
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There are many damning hands but I managed to edit together the TOP 10 Shady Mike Postle hands.

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:59 PM   #8445
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FWIW - I've been asking people at my ~$150 live tourneys about this. Maybe 1 in 10 has heard of it.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:01 PM   #8446
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Might be worth examining the pre God-mode sessions as his phone is likely in clearer view. Someone mentioned in the spreadsheet he'd leave it on the rail, face up and active in the 6/22/18 session. Whether he had the app then or not, not sure, but worth a look I think


Is from the stream above.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:11 PM   #8447
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTNjRxcvIc

48:35 (A must see)

Found this accidentially. It's from 22/06/18 also. Get rekt Mike, i can't remember one single hand after the phone went down into his crotch.
Oh my god, this hand is so OMEGALUL.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:11 PM   #8448
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FWIW - I've been asking people at my ~$150 live tourneys about this. Maybe 1 in 10 has heard of it.


Where do you play? And do you think there'd be any interest in setting up a bi-weekly live streamed game there?
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:14 PM   #8449
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There are many damning hands but I managed to edit together the TOP 10 Shady Mike Postle hands.

Nice video. There were a couple hands i didnt ever see before and ive watched a ton of footage! Good work
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:26 PM   #8450
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Thank you. Please post here or DM me links of CRAZY hands I haven't covered yet.
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