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Old 10-14-2019, 01:14 PM   #8401
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Joey, if it wasn't for you and Polk, this thing could have easily blown over and been forgotten, like so many previous cheating scandals.
You deserve all the credit in the world.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:22 PM   #8402
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You take over the streams. I started to lose my mind a bit at about 15 hours into things. Watching this guy **** people up left and right is demoralizing. I'm not a professional streamer, I've barely have done them over the years outside podcasts.
Joey not everyone is as ADD as this random person, I watched all 5 hours last night and loved it. Keep it up.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:27 PM   #8403
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I realize i didnt type that very clearly. I meant I have a lot of embarrassing internet content out there from my younger "idgaf" days that I regret some of. Just trying to give some friendly advice because hes obviously developing a nice following so it might be a good idea to keep his content slightly cleaner to keep all his options open down the road.

If he wants to keep growing it's never a bad idea to listen to people who give you feedback on your content. Both Good and bad.

I've watched quite a few Doug Polk videos on the subject. And I wanted to watch some of his for his perspective and I was put off by all the yelling. I should have given my feedback more constructively. And for that I apologize.

Anyway keep up the good work on the investigation. I hope all these guys go down hard but it's gonna be quite the uphill battle to prove any of this or seek any financial retribution. So we need all do our part to publicize the information and spread it through various mediums. If he wants to reach more people it's not the worst idea to not spend so much of the time yelling. Just my opinion. Hes welcome to do whatever he wants with it. This will be my last post on the subject.

Back to the story. It's a lot more interesting than my takes on Joey's YouTube content.
What are you still on about? We understood what you wrote so no need to clarify. You are conceited and delusional if you think your advice will help him, especially since you failed at whatever it was you were trying to do with your "internet content". You never have and never will reach even a fraction of a fraction of what Joey has accomplished. You are simply jealous that hundreds and thousands of people are interested in what Joey has to say and not one **** is given about you.

You are literally a snowflake that wants someone to tuck you in at night and sing you lullabies as you drift off into sleep. What a sad world you live in.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:42 PM   #8404
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I have an idea ...

If anybody would like to comment on Joey's incredible work looking into the Postle cheating allegations (either positive or negative comments), please post them to the ChicagoJoey podcast thread. Although Joey is central to this story, those comments are a bit of derail to this thread.

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Old 10-14-2019, 01:47 PM   #8405
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What are you still on about? We understood what you wrote so no need to clarify. You are conceited and delusional if you think your advice will help him, especially since you failed at whatever it was you were trying to do with your "internet content". You never have and never will reach even a fraction of a fraction of what Joey has accomplished. You are simply jealous that hundreds and thousands of people are interested in what Joey has to say and not one **** is given about you.

You are literally a snowflake that wants someone to tuck you in at night and sing you lullabies as you drift off into sleep. What a sad world you live in.

Let's say ESPN, 60 minutes, or CNBC decided to have a guest appearance and wanted to bring someone on the panel to discuss the show. Their options are Doug Polk and Joey. They watch a 10 min youtube on doug polk. Then they watch 10 seconds of joey carrying on yelling F this, F that on a 5 hour stream... that's an easy decision.

Or lets say 5 years from now he wants to be hired in some professional capacity and there are hundreds of videos of him carrying on screaming F this online. That's an easy decision for a lot of employers.

Just a friendly piece of advice. Again, hes totally free to do what he chooses with that advice. It won't hurt my feelings either way. But it doesn't change the fact that its potentially constructive advice for a young kid that maybe hasn't thought everything through and is caught up in this story.

5 years from now absolutely no one is going to care about this story. But there will be videos online for decades that people and poyential employers can reference and see how he handled himself. And right now hes not coming off very professionally by screaming F THIS, F THAT. And hes not really maximizing the personal gains/growth he could experience by being one of the leading sources of news on this huge story. Maybe that's not his goal. And If not, Who am I to judge him on his decision?

But be clear other people who are watching this will judge him. And they aren't all gonna be 23 year old twitch stream, video game addicted kids who work in retail and live in their mom's basement.

That's just reality.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:56 PM   #8406
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Would it be okay if this was taken to Joey's thread as the mod suggested?

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Old 10-14-2019, 01:57 PM   #8407
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id rather just let it live and die here. i wont respond unless it gets moved.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:05 PM   #8408
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Yep didnt mean to hijack I'm Done posting about it.

I'm really interested in this JFK character. As far as I'm concerned mike is just a low class, scumbag cheat. But hes just doing what a lot of classless scumbags would do if they had the opportunity. Mike didn't really "owe" the other players anything and they were the ones agreeing to play while failing to protect their cards.

JFK is the real villain here. Its literally his job to provide a safe and fair atmosphere. Every poker room is chock full of a bunch of angle shooting Mike's.

But if every poker room had JFK as a manager the entire industry would go under. What a douche. He should never be allowed to work in any sort of supervisory capacity ever again.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:05 PM   #8409
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Lol I can certainly identify with some of what you've said here. But I cant be the only one who finds all the yelling, hyperness, and constant F-bombs annoying. I want to hear about the story but Joey's videos he seems to sorta become the story. It's like I'm watching a caricature of himself rather than him just being himself. Like I said I like to listen to podcasts while I lay down to go to bed. To each his own but I can never make it past a
Minute before I switch to someone else's videos.

Meanwhile Joey comes off totally different in his posts here. Levelheaded and full of a lot more content/information.

It could just be an age thing as I'm 38 and I dont watch twitch streamers play video games so I dont get into all the hype and yelling and what not. Surely I'm not the only one who prefers streamers who dont scream and act so demonstrable for hours on end.

I dont listen to Stephen A Smith on espn for similar reasons. Anyway just trying to help. You make a good point that I dont have to watch them. And I won't if it's all gonna be screaming and yelling lol
Joeys one of the very few content makers where I watch him and I find myself laughing out loud frequently and loudly. My wife who barely knows what poker is finds Joey entertaining. One of Joeys best qualities is he’s authentic. Sounds like his content isn’t for you and you might enjoy a Ken Burns documentary to help your insomnia.

Also we’re not living in a world anymore where dropping some f bombs and speaking loudly is going to interfere with Joeys future prospects.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:07 PM   #8410
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Let's say ESPN, 60 minutes, or CNBC decided to have a guest appearance and wanted to bring someone on the panel to discuss the show. Their options are Doug Polk and Joey. They watch a 10 min youtube on doug polk. Then they watch 10 seconds of joey carrying on yelling F this, F that on a 5 hour stream... that's an easy decision.

Or lets say 5 years from now he wants to be hired in some professional capacity and there are hundreds of videos of him carrying on screaming F this online. That's an easy decision for a lot of employers.

Just a friendly piece of advice. Again, hes totally free to do what he chooses with that advice. It won't hurt my feelings either way. But it doesn't change the fact that its potentially constructive advice for a young kid that maybe hasn't thought everything through and is caught up in this story.

5 years from now absolutely no one is going to care about this story. But there will be videos online for decades that people and poyential employers can reference and see how he handled himself. And right now hes not coming off very professionally by screaming F THIS, F THAT. And hes not really maximizing the personal gains/growth he could experience by being one of the leading sources of news on this huge story. Maybe that's not his goal. And If not, Who am I to judge him on his decision?

But be clear other people who are watching this will judge him. And they aren't all gonna be 23 year old twitch stream, video game addicted kids who work in retail and live in their mom's basement.

That's just reality.
You’re clueless - Joey did an interview with Ryen Russilo who frequently drops f bombs and MFing Scott Van Pelt shouted him on sportscenter dude.

Joey keep doing what you’re doing.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:16 PM   #8411
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Mike didn't really "owe" the other players anything and they were the ones agreeing to play while failing to protect their cards.
What should the other players have done to protect their cards? Are you saying anyone playing on a televised/streamed table should expect to be cheated, and it's their own fault if they are?
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:24 PM   #8412
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Mike didn't really "owe" the other players anything and they were the ones agreeing to play while failing to protect their cards.

JFK is the real villain here. Its literally his job to provide a safe and fair atmosphere.
I love how you say the bolded and in the next paragraph say that it's JFK's job to protect the players.

You don't think Mike "owes" other players a fair game when they expect that he won't be cheating? What you're really saying is it's ok to cheat and if people are upset by it, it's their fault for allowing themselves to be cheated. Commendable.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:43 PM   #8413
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Joey dude, I know you are getting burnt out or are completely burnt out on doing Livestreams about Postle content, but I want to add that I also (like many many others) love the stuff you've put out.

I was an occasional viewer previously, but the Postle investigation and your energy and humor during livestreams has totally made me a fan. I have a feeling there are many others like me, based on the numbers you got watching you just talk and think out loud and interact during Livestream chats.

Whether its best for your mental health is another story, and one I cannot begin to judge. But from a pure entertainment perspective, I think the content you've been putting out is masterful, hilarious and really professional.

Thanks for all the hard work!
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:46 PM   #8414
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eYbMfvswe4

49:10 EZ fold
1:52:00 Pro turn lead mon
2:18.30 NH bruh taking a deep look on the river huh?
3:05:00/3:05:36 (LOL) This poor guys getting rekt all over - just one more of those rediculous value betting hands, it's digusting, 5 way, and on the river Mike would just never bet here if the guy would have a better ten for example, it's so disgusting
3:39:00 LUL - good example for quality of opponents as well
3:49:00 Mike calling a bet on the Turn being dead - almost never get to see this - nice acting after river also LUL

Mike didn't play a lot of hands. I'm not even sure if he was god moding all the time, it more seems he sometimes did.
Remember, this is one of the first streams after his phone went down.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:50 PM   #8415
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This is the most stupid diversion I could imagine, as now people are attacking Joey Ingram, whose greatest crime is to be passionate about poker, rather than looking at Postle, who has brought more negative publicity to poker than a trillion passionate Joey vids.

If you don't like Joey, fine, don't watch him.

But this is a Mike Postle cheating allegations thread, so post your critical comments on the Joey thread if you are a loser and don't appreciate that he is the spokesman for the way this damned card game should be played.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:55 PM   #8416
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

So i decided to actually just look at some sessions myself instead of relying solely on others to identify and post suspicious hands. (After watching the gumpnstein video i was sold on his cheating)
I was under the impression that MP was looking at his phone every hand at some point between looking at his cards and the graphics showing up so he could see theirs before making a decision. I watched 3 sessions, July 18th, 30th 2018 and the last one he played in 2019. I just didn't see this behavior consistently. He was insta folding a bunch and then just not looking at his phone at all a bunch.

My question is this: how often was he definitively looking at his lap in a hand, like 10%, 50% etc? Is it everyones assumption that he was looking at his phone every hand, like me or do people believe he was doing it selectively?
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:58 PM   #8417
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What should the other players have done to protect their cards? Are you saying anyone playing on a televised/streamed table should expect to be cheated, and it's their own fault if they are?

I mean I wouldn't say they "deserved" to get cheated but literally the first thing you learn is to protect your cards and they failed to do that.

They let their egos get in the way of Common sense. This wasnt poker after dark, the WSOP filmed by espn, etc.

I mean they went into some rinky dink venue in the farmlands of Cow-afornia and couldn't figure out the livestream on a ONE THREE game that absolutely no one cared about was a ruse to cheat them? I mean if someone was making godlike reads for 18 months it wouldn't ever occur to you to stop exposing your hole cards every hand?

Especially if the guy making the godlike reads kept reminding you to put your hole cards over the sensors while he looked at his cellphone in his lap the whole time?

I mean if I started beating you in madden while pretending not to look at the television would it really take you 18 months to figure out you were being tricked?

I'm sure they all feel a tad ridiculous in retrospect. Like do you think doyle Brunson or any of the old time players would have fallen for this?

At best these players are incredibly naive. A fool and his his money will soon be parted. The universe is hostile. Devour to survive, so it is. So it's always been. Much better you than I.

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Old 10-14-2019, 03:08 PM   #8418
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Thanks for the great work everyone! Friend who’s not into poker asked me about this and I came here, to everyone who grinded and put the work in, your time and efforts are much appreciated

@mods, thank you for the thankless work too!

There’s nothing I can contribute to the subject at hand or to how to deal with every dissenting opinion, but as a lurker and reader these threads get impossible to wade through. Would it be possible to pull more ‘good’ coherently written posts into a closed thread? Basically like the OP but having posts pulled daily and in chronological order? That may make it easier for the guys doing the vid work too
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:09 PM   #8419
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That's not how it works rally. Even if I forget to lock my front door, that doesn't mean I deserve it if people break in and steal my stuff or that it's just part of life if they do.

Obviously there are numerous things that these 1-3 players could have done to protect themselves more. But you aren't supposed to have to protect yourself against someone who knows all the hole cards, because players are simply not supposed to know all the hole cards.

Heck, I am not even a fan of players who know their neighbor's hole cards! When I can see my neighbor's hole cards, I tell them in between hands and make efforts to look away. That information is simply not a part of the game of poker.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:19 PM   #8420
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That's not how it works rally. Even if I forget to lock my front door, that doesn't mean I deserve it if people break in and steal my stuff or that it's just part of life if they do.

Obviously there are numerous things that these 1-3 players could have done to protect themselves more. But you aren't supposed to have to protect yourself against someone who knows all the hole cards, because players are simply not supposed to know all the hole cards.

Heck, I am not even a fan of players who know their neighbor's hole cards! When I can see my neighbor's hole cards, I tell them in between hands and make efforts to look away. That information is simply not a part of the game of poker.
Protecting your cards is absolutely part of poker and getting scammed is part of life. We've all made dumb mistakes in life and rest assured this was a dumb mistake on their part. And if you dont lock your front door they aren't "breaking in" they are just opening your door.

They'll learn from it and grow or they won't learn from it and continue to get scammed.

I've been scammed many times myself. Should I blame the shady people or point the finger at myself and accept responsibility for putting myself in that position.

Play the victim and you will be the victim.

But I'll reiterate. JFK is the real villain here in my opinion. Mike is just being Mike. Everyone even said he was a nice guy they liked playing with.

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Old 10-14-2019, 03:24 PM   #8421
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I realize i didnt type that very clearly. I meant I have a lot of embarrassing internet content out there from my younger "idgaf" days that I regret some of. Just trying to give some friendly advice because hes obviously developing a nice following so it might be a good idea to keep his content slightly cleaner to keep all his options open down the road.

If he wants to keep growing it's never a bad idea to listen to people who give you feedback on your content. Both Good and bad.

I've watched quite a few Doug Polk videos on the subject. And I wanted to watch some of his for his perspective and I was put off by all the yelling. I should have given my feedback more constructively. And for that I apologize.

Anyway keep up the good work on the investigation. I hope all these guys go down hard but it's gonna be quite the uphill battle to prove any of this or seek any financial retribution. So we need all do our part to publicize the information and spread it through various mediums. If he wants to reach more people it's not the worst idea to not spend so much of the time yelling. Just my opinion. Hes welcome to do whatever he wants with it. This will be my last post on the subject.

Back to the story. It's a lot more interesting than my takes on Joey's YouTube content.
I think we can all agree Joey can be a bit much at times but who gives a sh.., this is outside his element and the hours and hours of dedication he's putting in more than makes up for any nuanced personally quirks that you so publicly dislike. You say he should be able to receive feedback good and bad. Heres some feedback for you: you could've easily private messaged Joey to give him your precious feedback so he can make your viewing more pleasurable but instead you wanted some attention like a troll. You said lets get back to the story like were supposed to forget that you were mean spirited, attention seeking, and ungrateful to the one single handily seeking justice for our community.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:24 PM   #8422
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Based on the play I saw watching that live stream, I'm not really surprised that those players didn't figure out that Mike was cheating them. Such a juicy game with oblivious punters.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:31 PM   #8423
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Protecting your cards is absolutely part of poker and getting scammed is part of life. We've all made dumb mistakes in life and rest assured this was a dumb mistake on their part. And if you dont lock your front door they aren't "breaking in" they are just opening your door.

They'll learn from it and grow or they won't learn from it and continue to get scammed.

I've been scammed many times myself. Should I blame the shady people or point the finger at myself and accept responsibility for putting myself in that position.

Play the victim and you will be the victim.

But I'll reiterate. JFK is the real villain here in my opinion. Mike is just being Mike. Everyone even said he was a nice guy they liked playing with.


Kindly stop making terrible takes in the thread, please and thank you!
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:32 PM   #8424
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Ill say this if JFK (justin) was guilty why did he archive every single stream? It was well known he was the leader of the social media team so why keep all the videos for anyone to see across youtube and twitch?

Even Live at the bike doesnt keep there videos for the general public to see after streamed games. Stones kept and still has every game available. If Justin was guilty why ? I think this is a valid defense...
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:35 PM   #8425
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You take over the streams. I started to lose my mind a bit at about 15 hours into things. Watching this guy **** people up left and right is demoralizing. I'm not a professional streamer, I've barely have done them over the years outside podcasts.
Don't mind that goof brother. Guarantee he can't name one person he does like listening to for 5 hours straight. Probably just a 30-second video kind of guy. Nothing wrong with that. Just no business on your channel.

I know I'm not the only one who is extremely grateful for what you're doing. Not just the contributions to outing the cheater and protecting the game, but just from a sheer entertainment perspective. As someone who loves the game I'm fascinated by every second of Postle on stream. We've just never seen it before, and probably never will again. I don't need "highlights" of the craziest moments, and I don't even think the "highlights" are all that interesting without the full context.

I think anyone who has ever considered themselves an online grinder would prefer your coverage of this event to anyone else's. If anything your videos are way too short and your girlfriend is really slowing us down. lol
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