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Old 10-13-2019, 01:04 PM   #8176
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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He also crushed tournaments.

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How many tournaments did he enter?

What was the total of his buy-ins?



Please post those. Because without them we don't know if he won or LOST, let alone CRUSHED tournaments.

Tournament results without actual buy-in logs are meaningless.

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Old 10-13-2019, 01:10 PM   #8177
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They didnt play 1/3 25 straddle. They may have done something like that for 5% of the hands.
Where is data about this?

It's very common that in stream commentators have no clue about what happened PF.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:10 PM   #8178
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How many tournaments did he enter?

What was the total of his buy-ins?



Please post those. Because without them we don't know if he won or LOST, let alone CRUSHED tournaments.

Tournament results without actual buy-in logs are meaningless.

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u could also simply visit his hendon mob page
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:13 PM   #8179
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Where is data about this?
Go to stones on youtube or twitch and watch for yourself.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:16 PM   #8180
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)



https://youtu.be/2pjkPCeckuk?t=6084

Why was this meme flashed on screen?

1:41:25

This is the commentary booth before and after cheating allegations the first time.




https://youtu.be/2pjkPCeckuk?t=3532

Another Meme in the same episode what is this???

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Old 10-13-2019, 01:22 PM   #8181
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u could also simply visit his hendon mob page
I think the question you're trying to answer went right over your head. Hendon Mob only shows results, it doesn’t show how many times you re-entered a tourney, plus the original buy-in cost. Take the buy-in amount and how many re-entry fees minus what the cash out would give you the net amount he won.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:30 PM   #8182
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Go to stones on youtube or twitch and watch for yourself.
What I have watched those are quite common (and cuold be a way off since obviously I have not watched 500 hours streams). And then I am not using big words that someone is cheating. Burden of proof is always in those hands who make big claims, not in those who are not believers.

Then there is Polk and Ingram analyzing so evident bomb pot pre, how players should have 3-bet (not allowed) etc. And how badly Postle played when he did correct calldown in bomb pot.

Another hands there is 25$ straddle and it is just commented like that does not change anything etc.

It's just stupid how low quality those so called analysis are.

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Old 10-13-2019, 01:31 PM   #8183
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I think the question you're trying to answer went right over your head. Hendon Mob only shows results, it doesn’t show how many times you re-entered a tourney, plus the original buy-in cost. Take the buy-in amount and how many re-entry fees minus what the cash out would give you the net amount he won.
listen buddy nothing went over my head. he is a clearly competent player. anyone can see it and will tell u. no need to insult. I bet u dont have results anywhere near it.

and to answer your question because u seem incapable of seeing it yourself, his buy ins even with 2-3 bullets each mtt cannot exceed 50k, so 450k profit, thats why he was so well respected by moneymaker and all other players on the felt.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:33 PM   #8184
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nah lawdude you're wrong about this, live games are way different, the reg/rec ratio is much better (as in more recs) so naturally winrates are going to be higher, not to mention lots of live games are playing much deeper than 100bb which doesn't happen that often online and allows for higher winrates

that said, Postle's winrate is obviously lol_impostleble
yea win rates are lower online bc players online are so much better than live. if you have an edge, you can circumvent this fact by seeing more hands/hr and multi-tabling. but the difference isn't that astronomically big and the argument isn't whether win rates online are smaller than live, its how Postle's crazy win rates are unachievable by any human and how his patterns in his play is irrefutable evidence to him knowing his opponents hole cards. PiB has yet to address the adjusted bbs/100hands I posted, set to $125k total earnings rather than $305k. PiB, please stop your straw-man arguments, its getting old. And, come up with actual numbers using math, not what ever the hell you think sounds good. What would you calculate his bb/100 to be?
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:43 PM   #8185
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The screen was often inaccurate. Someone on the plaintiffs' legal team (and someone on the defense's as well) will have to examine all the video and determine actual amounts bet.

They will almost certainly get casino surveillance footage and b-roll in discovery, so that will become easier.
Dam that sucks. Would have been sweet to work an on open source project and write a program to discover all the stats from this. Was it just the bet amounts or were the actions also inaccurate? I hope, at the very least, they could get the hole card data, actions, and board run out so it could save some time that way.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:44 PM   #8186
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listen buddy nothing went over my head. he is a clearly competent player. anyone can see it and will tell u. no need to insult. I bet u dont have results anywhere near it.

and to answer your question because u seem incapable of seeing it yourself, his buy ins even with 2-3 bullets each mtt cannot exceed 50k, so 450k profit, thats why he was so well respected by moneymaker and all other players on the felt.
Over your head. You forgot the >80% of tournaments he played and failed to cash. How much were his total buy-ins, Sparky?
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:46 PM   #8187
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u could also simply visit his hendon mob page
His point is that the Hendon Mob page doesn't list all the buy-ins in which he didn't cash. He could easily be a loser in tournaments when you count those.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:49 PM   #8188
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listen buddy nothing went over my head. he is a clearly competent player. anyone can see it and will tell u.
So, competent players can't cheat because they're competent players? Makes sense.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:50 PM   #8189
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b) Numerous occasions where Postle prompted other players to rescan their cards as if he knew the live feed had not picked them up.
I saw him re-scanning his own cards in that one PLO hand but he actually asked other players to re-run their cards over the scanner???

25 points for nerve but -1,000 for brains.

If someone has a link to him doing that pls post.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:51 PM   #8190
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ryenaruss...30642328948736

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Old 10-13-2019, 01:51 PM   #8191
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Over your head. You forgot the >80% of tournaments he played and failed to cash. How much were his total buy-ins, Sparky?
true, but the 80% is just your guess. the point i was trying to make is, people try to make him look as a bad player who cant play mtts, which is certainly not true
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:54 PM   #8192
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true, but the 80% is just your guess. the point i was trying to make is, people try to make him look as a bad player who cant play mtts, which is certainly not true
But it IS true. $500k in 16 years is laughable when compared to the best in the world. And he could be break even or even down in tournaments. But at least we can be sure he had 100% of himself in all these $500 tourneys hes been "crushing" over the years.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:54 PM   #8193
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I saw him re-scanning his own cards in that one PLO hand but he actually asked other players to re-run their cards over the scanner???

25 points for nerve but -1,000 for brains.

If someone has a link to him doing that pls post.
that is something we should focus on, not arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:56 PM   #8194
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If you are high stakes player and you play live 2/5 optimal is, that your VPIP is huge since you outplay your opponents so hard postflop in deep NL.
This says everything anyone in this thread needs to know about you, you constantly spew nonsense out of your mouth, your a losing player that lacks any awareness GTD.

I already said, show me a winning live player that is winning 9/10 of there sessions.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:57 PM   #8195
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true, but the 80% is just your guess. the point i was trying to make is, people try to make him look as a bad player who cant play mtts, which is certainly not true
Postle was / is a good Nl holdem player, that is what allowed him to make quick god mode decisions while cheating with his phone between his legs. He was able to make perfect plays that are only possible if you know your opponents hole cards time and time again.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:58 PM   #8196
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I've been out of the loop on online play and databases for a while ... but what would be a good "standard" format to collect all of the hand data in? The BI and add ons are irrelevant since you can calculate win/loss directly from the hand results.

I'd think that 'we' could collectively go through the streams, tally up the action, and cross check with each other. It's a LOT of work, but something that is extremely easy to parallelize between a team.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:00 PM   #8197
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listen buddy nothing went over my head. he is a clearly competent player. anyone can see it and will tell u. no need to insult. I bet u dont have results anywhere near it.

and to answer your question because u seem incapable of seeing it yourself, his buy ins even with 2-3 bullets each mtt cannot exceed 50k, so 450k profit, thats why he was so well respected by moneymaker and all other players on the felt.
Sorry the “over you’re head” was taken as an insult. I didn’t realize how bad that was for me to insult you like that. I’m truly sorry. So you agree that his winnings are less than 500K, because I just did a quick addition of his Hendon Mob buy-ins are around 52K, but that doesn’t include one re-entry. I have no problem talking about my results, and have no problem saying my real name, especially if you do the same??
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:02 PM   #8198
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So, competent players can't cheat because they're competent players? Makes sense.
never said that. russ hamilton cheated. but you need some kind of motive like owing money, being desperate or something.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:04 PM   #8199
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This is the music playlist from mike postles youtube channel. Does the music he listens to have any correlation to his cheating? Probably not but its worth a look. How do i know this is the official youtube of mike postle? Because this is the same Mike postle that has commented in the youtube live chat replay in stones games from last year.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...BoPGFfNNv-CxSI
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:04 PM   #8200
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5VdyIfce8

Here is an example of a podcast from one of the best poker players in the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuWuc4hHT-w&t=903s

Here is an example of an interview with cheating scum.
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